Free Speech:「Yes or No」

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

My god my ears hurt. Summary: vote Biden, trump fascist. Trump is nowhere extreme nor is the Republican Party. If they are then the liberals and the left you say are preventing a fascist takeover are anarchists and communists, but that wouldn’t be far off. Fascism is not what the USA should fear most and loving your country isn’t fascist or bad, it should be encouraged .

I dislike Biden, but he’s better than Trump.

The fact that Trump is not too extreme for you says more about you than about Trump, tbh. If loving your country leads to the things Trump is doing, then yeah, it’s fascistm and it’s bad.

The fact you don’t fear fascism is probably because you wouldn’t suffer under it. At first.

Trump isn’t extreme, in no way Is he extreme. And what is he actually doing that is so fascist and bad? And no I don’t care what happens to the United States. Elect Biden, let it fall into anarchy. As long as my family there gets out, let it all burn for all I care. Sadly this is not how it works and it would be negative for me if the USA falls into anarchy and I currently prefer for it to be like prosperous than collapsing.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I disagree with Bolsheviks of Maoists, and have no patience for tanky scum. As you can read, I have no love for anti-democratic ideologies of any kind, so Bolsheviks, Stalinists and Maoists can fuck right off for all I care. If their speech is anti-democratic, I don’t want to hear it.

But fo the average person, economic life did improve under these systems. But of course, I was talking about social democrats and other left-wing groups, as well as unions. But it seems to be either libertarian or stalinist in your book.


Fascist speech is both an attack on free speech and an attack on democratic values. Banning fascist speech is neither. It’s not dark magic, it’s probable historical fact that fascists do not engage in debate, only in propaganda.

“It’s only free speech if we allow ourselves to be destroyed by it!” Is a shit argument.

Saying that we should adopt your shitty styles of speech laws is also a shit argument.

As always, though, you just proclaim your opinion, providing no arguments because then you would be called out on them, and declaring yourself the victor because you accomplished the least.

I think that's also because you leftists define "fascism" very broadly.

This, The German Communist Party declared itself the only "non-fascist" party back in the 30s.

There's also Mao declaring that "liberalism is when you argue in bad faith."

They weren’t right, but apart from the communists and the social democrats, every other party was trying to form a coalition with Hitler.

[Kowani]

There's also Mao declaring that "liberalism is when you argue in bad faith."

Based mao

[Kiu Ghesik]

Either you like free speech with all the consequences or you do not
I stand for free speech as information sharing is primordial for the transhumanism even in an authoritarian model people should be able to talk anything

...what?

[An-Tanwir]

I dislike Biden, but he’s better than Trump.

The fact that Trump is not too extreme for you says more about you than about Trump, tbh. If loving your country leads to the things Trump is doing, then yeah, it’s fascistm and it’s bad.

The fact you don’t fear fascism is probably because you wouldn’t suffer under it. At first.

Trump isn’t extreme, in no way Is he extreme. And what is he actually doing that is so fascist and bad? And no I don’t care what happens to the United States. Elect Biden, let it fall into anarchy. As long as my family there gets out, let it all burn for all I care. Sadly this is not how it works and it would be negative for me if the USA falls into anarchy and I currently prefer for it to be like prosperous than collapsing.

If you genuinely think electing Biden will cause the collapse of the United States, you've been drinking too much electorialism juice

Edit: also rounding people up based on them being suspected migrants and using them for cheap labor is pretty fascist. Of course, Trump didn't start ICE, but he supports it. I think it was Reagan who started the Great American Tradition of migrant camps.

[Alternamerica]

Yet perhaps more useful.

I don't. I have some socially conservative views, and I should be allowed to speak. I'm anti-immigration, some find that "bigoted," but that does not mean I should be silenced.

Standards like that will ding a lot more than a klansman or other violent racists.

That's not a bad thing imo. Also, the more details you add to a law, the harder it becomes to ensure enforcement. Compare this:

"People have the right to live their lives so long as it does not infringe on another's life or personhood" vs a more detailed description of what is or isn't a legal right a person can have. Plus, it's vague enough to be adaptable as societies do change over time but also weeds out the Neo-Nazis. I say it's a win-win. You have the right to be anti-immigration, no matter what I think of it, but it's another story when you're defending locking children in cages and sterilizing women against their will

[Loben III]

Saying that we should adopt your shitty styles of speech laws is also a shit argument.

As always, though, you just proclaim your opinion, providing no arguments because then you would be called out on them, and declaring yourself the victor because you accomplished the least.

This, The German Communist Party declared itself the only "non-fascist" party back in the 30s.

There's also Mao declaring that "liberalism is when you argue in bad faith."

They weren’t right, but apart from the communists and the social democrats, every other party was trying to form a coalition with Hitler.

You have provided zero compelling arguments in favor of your position, just typical Euro nonsense that you and fellow subjects were fed.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Trump isn’t extreme, in no way Is he extreme. And what is he actually doing that is so fascist and bad? And no I don’t care what happens to the United States. Elect Biden, let it fall into anarchy. As long as my family there gets out, let it all burn for all I care. Sadly this is not how it works and it would be negative for me if the USA falls into anarchy and I currently prefer for it to be like prosperous than collapsing.

If you genuinely think electing Biden will cause the collapse of the United States, you've been drinking too much electorialism juice

Joe Biden, not to be rude Joe, but he is an old man, who sniffs children's hair, touches women innapropriatly on camera, Can barely even tell where he is, doesn't know what he's saying, and is a big racist. He can barely even give a speech without a teleprompter, so, with all due respect, he is not fit to run a country, if he can barely run his thoughts through his head.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I dislike Biden, but he’s better than Trump.

The fact that Trump is not too extreme for you says more about you than about Trump, tbh. If loving your country leads to the things Trump is doing, then yeah, it’s fascistm and it’s bad.

The fact you don’t fear fascism is probably because you wouldn’t suffer under it. At first.

Trump isn’t extreme, in no way Is he extreme. And what is he actually doing that is so fascist and bad? And no I don’t care what happens to the United States. Elect Biden, let it fall into anarchy. As long as my family there gets out, let it all burn for all I care. Sadly this is not how it works and it would be negative for me if the USA falls into anarchy and I currently prefer for it to be like prosperous than collapsing.

Biden is not an anarchist.

Well, Trump has implemented homophobic, transphobic and racist policies, tries to increase his power while diminishing the power of his democratically elected opposition, gives power to his cronies and family, strikes down hard against peaceful protests, uses illegal means to defeat his opposition and plays to his nationalistic, xenophobic base with policies and proposals that could only work if there was no separation of powers and no-one to check him. He has an abject hatred for democracy, and only respects it if he wins.

[Kowani]

Either you like free speech with all the consequences or you do not
I stand for free speech as information sharing is primordial for the transhumanism even in an authoritarian model people should be able to talk anything

...what?

"Information sharing is a necessity to achieve transhumanism, not even authoritarian societies should restrict speech."

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

As always, though, you just proclaim your opinion, providing no arguments because then you would be called out on them, and declaring yourself the victor because you accomplished the least.


They weren’t right, but apart from the communists and the social democrats, every other party was trying to form a coalition with Hitler.

You have provided zero compelling arguments in favor of your position, just typical Euro nonsense that you and fellow subjects were fed.

Oh yes, you are gloriously free of preconceived notions because you are American(TM), divinely free from bias of your upbringing. While I, promoting policies that are not at all in line with current Dutch law, am just brainwashed by the state that disagrees with my positions on this.

Fuck, that’s a bad take.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

Trump isn’t extreme, in no way Is he extreme. And what is he actually doing that is so fascist and bad? And no I don’t care what happens to the United States. Elect Biden, let it fall into anarchy. As long as my family there gets out, let it all burn for all I care. Sadly this is not how it works and it would be negative for me if the USA falls into anarchy and I currently prefer for it to be like prosperous than collapsing.

Biden is not an anarchist.

Well, Trump has implemented homophobic, transphobic and racist policies, tries to increase his power while diminishing the power of his democratically elected opposition, gives power to his cronies and family, strikes down hard against peaceful protests, uses illegal means to defeat his opposition and plays to his nationalistic, xenophobic base with policies and proposals that could only work if there was no separation of powers and no-one to check him. He has an abject hatred for democracy, and only respects it if he wins.

Indeed Biden is no anarchist, but he has no ability to lead a nation. Also if you call those peaceful protests, then I can’t continue. Not that I wanted to anyway as this was useless. If you call those peaceful protest then i wonder if you got that from CNN or somewhere else, as everybody sane knows it is not

[An-Tanwir]

If you genuinely think electing Biden will cause the collapse of the United States, you've been drinking too much electorialism juice

Joe Biden, not to be rude Joe, but he is an old man, who sniffs children's hair, touches women innapropriatly on camera, Can barely even tell where he is, doesn't know what he's saying, and is a big racist. He can barely even give a speech without a teleprompter, so, with all due respect, he is not fit to run a country, if he can barely run his thoughts through his head.

Joe Biden can't even put on his own underwear, and yes I mean to be rude to Joe "I don't want my kids to grow up in a racial jungle" Biden.

His presidency will be controlled by his cabinet, which will be selected by Kamala "Top Cop" Harris.

[Punished UMN]

Either you like free speech with all the consequences or you do not
I stand for free speech as information sharing is primordial for the transhumanism even in an authoritarian model people should be able to talk anything

Why do you support transhumanism?

[Empirical Switzerland]

Biden is not an anarchist.

Well, Trump has implemented homophobic, transphobic and racist policies, tries to increase his power while diminishing the power of his democratically elected opposition, gives power to his cronies and family, strikes down hard against peaceful protests, uses illegal means to defeat his opposition and plays to his nationalistic, xenophobic base with policies and proposals that could only work if there was no separation of powers and no-one to check him. He has an abject hatred for democracy, and only respects it if he wins.

Indeed Biden is no anarchist, but he has no ability to lead a nation. Also if you call those peaceful protests, then I can’t continue. Not that I wanted to anyway as this was useless. If you call those peaceful protest then i wonder if you got that from CNN or somewhere else, as everybody sane knows it is not

Yea, they are in no way peaceful. And you're right, Biden can barely speak, tell where he is, and hold back from sniffing people's hair, he is in no way fit to run a country. And I would argue Trump is better and preferable.

[An-Tanwir]

Biden is not an anarchist.

Well, Trump has implemented homophobic, transphobic and racist policies, tries to increase his power while diminishing the power of his democratically elected opposition, gives power to his cronies and family, strikes down hard against peaceful protests, uses illegal means to defeat his opposition and plays to his nationalistic, xenophobic base with policies and proposals that could only work if there was no separation of powers and no-one to check him. He has an abject hatred for democracy, and only respects it if he wins.

Indeed Biden is no anarchist, but he has no ability to lead a nation. Also if you call those peaceful protests, then I can’t continue. Not that I wanted to anyway as this was useless. If you call those peaceful protest then i wonder if you got that from CNN or somewhere else, as everybody sane knows it is not

I mean, I support the use of political violence in this particular situation.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Biden is not an anarchist.

Well, Trump has implemented homophobic, transphobic and racist policies, tries to increase his power while diminishing the power of his democratically elected opposition, gives power to his cronies and family, strikes down hard against peaceful protests, uses illegal means to defeat his opposition and plays to his nationalistic, xenophobic base with policies and proposals that could only work if there was no separation of powers and no-one to check him. He has an abject hatred for democracy, and only respects it if he wins.

Indeed Biden is no anarchist, but he has no ability to lead a nation. Also if you call those peaceful protests, then I can’t continue. Not that I wanted to anyway as this was useless. If you call those peaceful protest then i wonder if you got that from CNN or somewhere else, as everybody sane knows it is not

You tell me how the protests in D.C. were in any way violent.

Even if there are riots, there still are peaceful protests that are also being hit by tear gas and rubber bullets.

[Kiu Ghesik]

If you genuinely think electing Biden will cause the collapse of the United States, you've been drinking too much electorialism juice

Joe Biden, not to be rude Joe, but he is an old man, who sniffs children's hair, touches women innapropriatly on camera, Can barely even tell where he is, doesn't know what he's saying, and is a big racist. He can barely even give a speech without a teleprompter, so, with all due respect, he is not fit to run a country, if he can barely run his thoughts through his head.

To be fair, almost all of those points apply to Donald "Grab 'em by the pussy" Trump. But this isn't the MAGAThread.

You have provided zero compelling arguments in favor of your position, just typical Euro nonsense that you and fellow subjects were fed.

Ah, yes, the great big evil Merkelreich. Totally not just a free-trade agreement with a few more teeth. Besides, Europe's cultural mindset on speech is completely different than the United States' is, so it's not really a comparable point, IMO.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Indeed Biden is no anarchist, but he has no ability to lead a nation. Also if you call those peaceful protests, then I can’t continue. Not that I wanted to anyway as this was useless. If you call those peaceful protest then i wonder if you got that from CNN or somewhere else, as everybody sane knows it is not

Yea, they are in no way peaceful. And you're right, Biden can barely speak, tell where he is, and hold back from sniffing people's hair, he is in no way fit to run a country. And I would argue Trump is better and preferable.

Do you watch something besides Fox news?

[Thermodolia]

And I see people exaggerate the threat too. We here in America are not on the verge of a fascist takeover. Why fascists took power in Germany and Italy was due to very specific circumstances. We have always had fascist upstarts; the alt-right is nothing new and Trump is more moderate than them.

You are so much mistaken, which is exactly what we were talking about. Trump is more moderate than literal genocide, but only because he needs to be to win voters. The Republican party, under his leadership, has changed into a party of extremists, enablers and collaborators, desperately trying to defend abuses of power and unlawful acts. They are only as moderate as the vote requires them to be, and they shift more to the right each time they succesfully disenfranchise another group.

Fascism is no longer an ideology of skinheads in basements, and it never really was. The US has been on the brink of fascism many times since the second world war. It’s not Trump’s moderation keeping the country from being fascist, it’s constant opposition by liberal and leftist groups, which are bit by bit being worn down by a party which controls federal law enforcement.

US fascism will look very differently from German or Italian fascism, and people won’t recognise it as fascism because it is not porpagated as fascism, but as Americanism.

Trump is many things but a fascist he is not. Trump only believes in what gets him votes. If supporting communism would let him win the election he’d come out tomorrow as a communist

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

Indeed Biden is no anarchist, but he has no ability to lead a nation. Also if you call those peaceful protests, then I can’t continue. Not that I wanted to anyway as this was useless. If you call those peaceful protest then i wonder if you got that from CNN or somewhere else, as everybody sane knows it is not

Yea, they are in no way peaceful. And you're right, Biden can barely speak, tell where he is, and hold back from sniffing people's hair, he is in no way fit to run a country. And I would argue Trump is better and preferable.

Trump is the lesser evil. And sure the protests are peaceful. Hey look I see a flying unicorn, even a dragon UFO!

[Empirical Switzerland]

You are so much mistaken, which is exactly what we were talking about. Trump is more moderate than literal genocide, but only because he needs to be to win voters. The Republican party, under his leadership, has changed into a party of extremists, enablers and collaborators, desperately trying to defend abuses of power and unlawful acts. They are only as moderate as the vote requires them to be, and they shift more to the right each time they succesfully disenfranchise another group.

Fascism is no longer an ideology of skinheads in basements, and it never really was. The US has been on the brink of fascism many times since the second world war. It’s not Trump’s moderation keeping the country from being fascist, it’s constant opposition by liberal and leftist groups, which are bit by bit being worn down by a party which controls federal law enforcement.

US fascism will look very differently from German or Italian fascism, and people won’t recognise it as fascism because it is not porpagated as fascism, but as Americanism.

Trump is many things but a fascist he is not. Trump only believes in what gets him votes. If supporting communism would let him win the election he’d come out tomorrow as a communist

I disagree.

[Loben III]

You have provided zero compelling arguments in favor of your position, just typical Euro nonsense that you and fellow subjects were fed.

Oh yes, you are gloriously free of preconceived notions because you are American(TM), divinely free from bias of your upbringing. While I, promoting policies that are not at all in line with current Dutch law, am just brainwashed by the state that disagrees with my positions on this.

Fuck, that’s a bad take.

Yes, Dutch law which should not under any circumstances should not be replicated here.


Thanks for being so candid with the truth, must’ve been difficult.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Oh yes, you are gloriously free of preconceived notions because you are American(TM), divinely free from bias of your upbringing. While I, promoting policies that are not at all in line with current Dutch law, am just brainwashed by the state that disagrees with my positions on this.

Fuck, that’s a bad take.

Yes, Dutch law which should not under any circumstances should not be replicated here.


Thanks for being so candid with the truth, must’ve been difficult.

...

Did you read what I wrote or what you wanted to read? I bolded and underlined the important part.

[Knask]

If you genuinely think electing Biden will cause the collapse of the United States, you've been drinking too much electorialism juice

Joe Biden, not to be rude Joe, but he is an old man, who sniffs children's hair, touches women innapropriatly on camera, Can barely even tell where he is, doesn't know what he's saying, and is a big racist. He can barely even give a speech without a teleprompter, so, with all due respect, he is not fit to run a country, if he can barely run his thoughts through his head.

Unlike Trump, who is a young man, never sniffed the hair of a child when he hung around with Epstein or backstage at the Miss Teen USA changing rooms, only rapes women in private, knows he's not in Nambia, know's exactly what he's saying when he talks about how he won in 2016 for 90 minutes as a response to a question about Covid-19 vaccines, and is absolutely not a big racist - he's just a big fan of the white race and its genetic superiority. He can not give a speech without a teleprompter (unless you want to hear about how he won 2016 again) and is the fittest human in all of history to run a country, even if he can barely run his thoughts through his head.