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-Astoria- wrote:

The Reformed American Republic wrote:You think you're going to scare me by effectively calling me a racist.

...you said "racism", not them.

I absolutely love it when you leftists are deliberately obtuse.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:...you said "racism", not them.

I absolutely love it when you leftists are deliberately obtuse.

Ah, "leftists"; my bingo card's getting full.

Yes. not because of Washingtons alleged racism or whatever ism

Purely because The State of Cascadia is 1000x cooler than The State of Washington

If anything, DC could then be further admitted as The State of Washington

Washington Resistance Army wrote:The reason western Europe speaks romance languages and is Catholic is cuz the Romans destroyed native languages and faiths lol, they were absolutley racist for their time. Really the great majority of pre-modern nations or empires were, turns out modern views are just that.

The word "Barbarian" ringing any bells?

Ethel mermania wrote:

Ifreann wrote:And the fact that you think that it was good, or at least the right course of action, for slavery to be tolerated since it lead to America being founded does not create an obligation on me to imagine an alternate history where slavery was not tolerated and also America was still founded.

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They were widespread, though. Northern states had abolitionist laws. The fact that those laws did not cover the whole nation doesn't mean that abolitionism was some fringe ideology. Were gay rights a fringe ideology ten years ago? Marriage equality was only the law in a few states back then, just like abolitionism. The fact that it took a lot longer for abolitionism to become the law across the nation than it took for marriage equality doesn't mean that abolitionism was not a widespread belief before Lincoln proclaimed emancipation.

Yes. That they didn't think there was anything wrong with being sexist doesn't mean they weren't sexist.

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So strange to see someone agree on the facts, accept all the terrible things that America has done and is doing, but object to people not ignoring them.

He never said slavery was good or OK. accepting slavery was a precondition of the south for replacing the articles of confederation with the constitution. The condition of slavery already existed prior to the constitution, without the guarantee of 20 years of no action on slavery written into it, we would have stayed under the articles of confederation.

Its upsetting how more people can't see this. The lack of knowledge regarding history upsets me as a historian.

So we rename Washington to idk The State of Ginsburg after the late Justice, then what? Do we rename every county and High School named after Washington? Rename every Lee Street because Robert E Lee was on the wrong side of History? No we aren't going to rename things and Erase History because people from hundreds of years ago are controversial today.

Christian Confederation wrote:So we rename Washington to idk The State of Ginsburg after the late Justice, then what? Do we rename every county and High School named after Washington? Rename every Lee Street because Robert E Lee was on the wrong side of History? No we aren't going to rename things and Erase History because people from hundreds of years ago are controversial today.

Nah; I prefer keeping the name, but changing who it's named after, as this county shows.

-Astoria- wrote:

Christian Confederation wrote:So we rename Washington to idk The State of Ginsburg after the late Justice, then what? Do we rename every county and High School named after Washington? Rename every Lee Street because Robert E Lee was on the wrong side of History? No we aren't going to rename things and Erase History because people from hundreds of years ago are controversial today.

Nah; I prefer keeping the name, but changing who it's named after, as this county shows.

That would be one way to do it. You could name it after Booker T Washington though I dont see why our first president shouldn't have a state named for him as well as the nations capital.

Slave owning racists founded this country. Of course we should name stuff after them.

San Lumen wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:Nah; I prefer keeping the name, but changing who it's named after, as this county shows.

That would be one way to do it. You could name it after Booker T Washington though I dont see why our first president shouldn't have a state named for him as well as the nations capital.

At least formally rename it to DC so that no one has to have to put (state) any linger.

The Reformed American Republic wrote:

Cordel One wrote:Careful there, that's some real Lost Causer energy

You think you're going to scare me by effectively calling me a racist.

None of that is true but ok

-Astoria- wrote:

San Lumen wrote:That would be one way to do it. You could name it after Booker T Washington though I dont see why our first president shouldn't have a state named for him as well as the nations capital.

At least formally rename it to DC so that no one has to have to put (state) any linger.

Nah. I think the nation's capital should bear the name of our first president. Though proposals have been made to change District of Columbia to Douglass Commonwealth. I think that is an excellent idea. In the historic DC statehood bill which passed the House earlier this year it included a provision for that.

No, it shouldn’t be renamed. George Washington was the first President, and without his leadership, this country probably wouldn’t exist today. I’m not saying he was all sunshine and rainbows, but we can’t just ignore history in favor of political correctness.

Christian Confederation wrote:So we rename Washington to idk The State of Ginsburg after the late Justice, then what? Do we rename every county and High School named after Washington? Rename every Lee Street because Robert E Lee was on the wrong side of History? No we aren't going to rename things and Erase History because people from hundreds of years ago are controversial today.

Rename it Cascadia cause its cool

Kathol Rift wrote:No, it shouldn’t be renamed. George Washington was the first President, and without his leadership, this country probably wouldn’t exist today. I’m not saying he was all sunshine and rainbows, but we can’t just ignore history in favor of political correctness.

I'm siging this, as people need to be reminded of this.

Kathol Rift wrote:No, it shouldn’t be renamed. George Washington was the first President, and without his leadership, this country probably wouldn’t exist today. I’m not saying he was all sunshine and rainbows, but we can’t just ignore history in favor of political correctness.

I agree with this sentiment as well.

San Lumen wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:At least formally rename it to DC so that no one has to have to put (state) any linger.

Nah. I think the nation's capital should bear the name of our first president. Though proposals have been made to change District of Columbia to Douglass Commonwealth. I think that is an excellent idea. In the historic DC statehood bill which passed the House earlier this year it included a provision for that.

No, I don't think so - I mean, there's already a state after him; & what happens in the event that DC becomes a state? Will it still not be the same?

-Astoria- wrote:

San Lumen wrote:Nah. I think the nation's capital should bear the name of our first president. Though proposals have been made to change District of Columbia to Douglass Commonwealth. I think that is an excellent idea. In the historic DC statehood bill which passed the House earlier this year it included a provision for that.

No, I don't think so - I mean, there's already a state after him; & what happens in the event that DC becomes a state? Will it still not be the same?

It would be Washington, Douglass Commonwealth.

San Lumen wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:He never said slavery was good or OK. accepting slavery was a precondition of the south for replacing the articles of confederation with the constitution. The condition of slavery already existed prior to the constitution, without the guarantee of 20 years of no action on slavery written into it, we would have stayed under the articles of confederation.

Its upsetting how more people can't see this. The lack of knowledge regarding history upsets me as a historian.

It's pretty patronising of you to put this down to a lack of knowledge when I am directly addressing the historical facts you are talking about. I do not dispute that part of the reason that slavery was tolerated in the laws of the new American nation was that the support of wealthy slave owners was believed to be needed for that nation to survive. Why do you think that I don't know about that when I am directly referencing it? When I tell you that I don't care about inventing an alternate history where slavery was abolished and also America was still founded and still survived, that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, that means I don't care. You are arguing that the ends, America, justify the means, tolerance of race-based chattel slavery, and therefore the men responsible for that tolerance cannot today be condemned. I don't have to give you alternative means to reach that same end when I point out that that is what you are doing. But maybe you would like to further elaborate on just how that end justifies those means. Why is it that the existence of America is so important that slavery could be tolerated?

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Christian Confederation wrote:So we rename Washington to idk The State of Ginsburg after the late Justice, then what? Do we rename every county and High School named after Washington? Rename every Lee Street because Robert E Lee was on the wrong side of History? No we aren't going to rename things and Erase History because people from hundreds of years ago are controversial today.

You say this as if renaming things would be some terrible fate for the nation to suffer.

San Lumen wrote:

-Astoria- wrote:No, I don't think so - I mean, there's already a state after him; & what happens in the event that DC becomes a state? Will it still not be the same?

It would be Washington, Douglass Commonwealth.

And its typical use? Washington, DC.
It does not aesthetically please.

Okay, renaming everything with Washington for whatever reason will probably cause something bad. Maps, Newspaper Companies Titles, anything with Washington would cost A TON of money for the people with stuff with Washington.

-Astoria- wrote:

San Lumen wrote:
It would be Washington, Douglass Commonwealth.

And its typical use? Washington, DC.
It does not aesthetically please.

I think its fine as is but renaming DC after Frederick Douglass I wholeheartedly support.

San Lumen wrote:

Ethel mermania wrote:He never said slavery was good or OK. accepting slavery was a precondition of the south for replacing the articles of confederation with the constitution. The condition of slavery already existed prior to the constitution, without the guarantee of 20 years of no action on slavery written into it, we would have stayed under the articles of confederation.

Its upsetting how more people can't see this. The lack of knowledge regarding history upsets me as a historian.

Just gonna drop this here because it's related and you never bothered responding

La xinga wrote:Okay, renaming everything with Washington for whatever reason will probably cause something bad. Maps, Newspaper Companies Titles, anything with Washington would cost A TON of money for the people with stuff with Washington.

A lot of money relative to what ordinary people like you or I are ever likely to have available to us. Not so much to the people who would be doing those things.

Only if the people want to. But I don't know of any movement to change that state's name. However, what if we renamed some states to Jefferson and Lincoln? Idaho, Wyoming, and North Dakota could have been called that, and Colorado and Oregon could have been Jefferson.

Though it's not that big of a deal, since Washington, the US capital city, is officially called the District of Columbia and most people just say DC and its proposed state name is the Douglass Commonwealth.