Should the State of Washington be renamed?

[Ethel mermania]

Joseph Ellis's book founding brothers, does a nice job in explaining the issues of slavery and the writing of the constitution.

And dont forget that book written back then called, "Uncle Toms Cabin"

"The little lady who started the civil war", according to Lincoln upon meeting Ms. Stowe.

[Bala Mantre]

You sound truly crazed. No one is justifying racism but standards were different in 1787. Can you lay out for me an alternative to the three fifths compromise that doesn’t lead to the convention being dissolved because they couldn’t agree?

Desperately, furiously defending an atrocity because you can't handle the idea of the world being different.
"You can't criticise slavery! Don't you understand how politically convenient it was?!"

Hes just simply talking about how insane it is to even think about destroying a mountain
Can you come up with an alternative to the compromise that wouldnt have ripped the nation apart?

[Arkhane]

I don't know, should we also rename the months of July and August because they were named after emperors who ruled over an empire where slavery is allowed?

You'd be surprised how many names based after historical figures we'd need to change if we're going to remove anyone who doesn't match the cultural expectations of morals we have today since every historical figure who influenced and ruled nations have some skeletons in their closets, be it slavery or any other human rights abuse.

[Atheris]

You're going to have to wait for

(Image)

before I stop making these puns.

Not as good as the other two. I am unfazed. You have failed to faze me. You are devastated.

Don't

me.

I don't know, should we also rename the months of July and August because they were named after emperors who ruled over an empire where slavery is allowed?

You'd be surprised how many names based after historical figures we'd need to change if we're going to remove anyone who doesn't match the cultural expectations of morals we have today since every historical figure who influenced and ruled nations have some skeletons in their closets, be it slavery or any other human rights abuse.

GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR wasn't an Emperor. A for effort, though.

[Bala Mantre]

I don't know, should we also rename the months of July and August because they were named after emperors who ruled over an empire where slavery is allowed?

You'd be surprised how many names based after historical figures we'd need to change if we're going to remove anyone who doesn't match the cultural expectations of morals we have today since every historical figure who influenced and ruled nations have some skeletons in their closets, be it slavery or any other human rights abuse.

Yah and even days of the week like Thursday or "Thors"day was after the Nordic cultures that argueably where as bad as Genghis Khan

[Ifreann]

Desperately, furiously defending an atrocity because you can't handle the idea of the world being different.
"You can't criticise slavery! Don't you understand how politically convenient it was?!"

How about you come up with an alternative?

Why? I'm not the one who thinks that the only acceptable course of action is one that leads to your "normal" world.

[San Lumen]

How about you come up with an alternative?

Why? I'm not the one who thinks that the only acceptable course of action is one that leads to your "normal" world.

in other words you have no alternative and would rather find some creative way to criticize me and dodge the question.

[Atheris]

and a homophobe

HOLY CRAP! A CHRISTIAN ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE BIBLE'S VIEWS ON SEXUALITY! UNTHINKABLE!!

Homophobia in the Protestant Bible didn't exist until 1946.

[Aetor Ournos]

I'm surprised nobody responded to my earlier post.

[Aetor Ournos]

HOLY CRAP! A CHRISTIAN ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE BIBLE'S VIEWS ON SEXUALITY! UNTHINKABLE!!

Homophobia in the Protestant Bible didn't exist until 1946.

There are more denominations then just Protestant.

[San Lumen]

I'm surprised nobody responded to my earlier post.

which was?

[Aetor Ournos]

I'm surprised nobody responded to my earlier post.

which was?

page 22.

[Atheris]

Homophobia in the Protestant Bible didn't exist until 1946.

There are more denominations then just Protestant.

But the Founding Fathers were almost entirely Protestant, including George Washington. He was Anglican, in fact.

[San Lumen]

The state of Washington was named after George Washington. I have heard some argue that because George Washington was a slave owner, racist, and a homophobe that he shouldn't be glorified and that the state of Washington should be renamed. This is especially true since Washington is a heavily liberal state.

I am undecided on this, but I can definitely understand the arguments for not glorifying George Washington anymore. What do you think?

Washington is very liberal, but George Washington wasn't a homophobe. The LGBT community was very small or probably didn't exist back then, which means that he has little affiliation with the community or any at all.

Homosexuality wasn't even in the picture back then. It was rarely discussed and the subject considered taboo.

[Bala Mantre]

There are more denominations then just Protestant.

But the Founding Fathers were almost entirely Protestant, including George Washington. He was Anglican, in fact.

Im suprised noone has been attacking my religion of Islam, nice change of things

[Loben III]

HOLY CRAP! A CHRISTIAN ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE BIBLE'S VIEWS ON SEXUALITY! UNTHINKABLE!!

Homophobia in the Protestant Bible didn't exist until 1946.

theres a Protestant bible?

[La Xinga]

No.

[Aetor Ournos]

But the Founding Fathers were almost entirely Protestant, including George Washington. He was Anglican, in fact.

Im suprised noone has been attacking my religion of Islam, nice change of things

Islamic culture is one of the most historic. Why would we?

[Atheris]

Homophobia in the Protestant Bible didn't exist until 1946.

theres a Protestant bible?

Protestant translations, yes, such as KJV and NAS.

[Aetor Ournos]

Homophobia in the Protestant Bible didn't exist until 1946.

theres a Protestant bible?

There's multiple translations of the bible, but not different bibles.

[Arkhane]

I don't know, should we also rename the months of July and August because they were named after emperors who ruled over an empire where slavery is allowed?

You'd be surprised how many names based after historical figures we'd need to change if we're going to remove anyone who doesn't match the cultural expectations of morals we have today since every historical figure who influenced and ruled nations have some skeletons in their closets, be it slavery or any other human rights abuse.

Yah and even days of the week like Thursday or "Thors"day was after the Nordic cultures that argueably where as bad as Genghis Khan

If anyone still hasn't noticed, people in positions of power back then didn't have power simply because they asked nicely. Rulers, kings. chieftains often waged war and named themselves after the places they conquered or claimed. They can try and rename Washington into "Rainbow Kumbaya" state but no matter how inclusive sounding it is, it'll just be a pretty lid on a jar of history. Emotional placebo.

[-Astoria-]

But the Founding Fathers were almost entirely Protestant, including George Washington. He was Anglican, in fact.

Im suprised noone has been attacking my religion of Islam, nice change of things

That's tempting fate, brother.

[Western Fardelshufflestein]

Yah and even days of the week like Thursday or "Thors"day was after the Nordic cultures that argueably where as bad as Genghis Khan

If anyone still hasn't noticed, people in positions of power back then didn't have power simply because they asked nicely. Rulers, kings. chieftains often waged war and named themselves after the places they conquered or claimed. They can try and rename Washington into "Rainbow Kumbaya" state but no matter how inclusive sounding it is, it'll just be a pretty lid on a jar of history. Emotional placebo.

Bingo.

[Aetor Ournos]

If anyone still hasn't noticed, people in positions of power back then didn't have power simply because they asked nicely. Rulers, kings. chieftains often waged war and named themselves after the places they conquered or claimed. They can try and rename Washington into "Rainbow Kumbaya" state but no matter how inclusive sounding it is, it'll just be a pretty lid on a jar of history. Emotional placebo.

Bingo.

Why do you get to be Quidditch World Cup champs when I have Harry Potter Quidditch robes?

[Ifreann]

Why? I'm not the one who thinks that the only acceptable course of action is one that leads to your "normal" world.

in other words you have no alternative and would rather find some creative way to criticize me and dodge the question.

I don't care about imagining a way to both abolish slavery and create America as you know it. Why would I do that? What would be the point? This isn't an alt-history thread.