Should the State of Washington be renamed?

[Syrgastan]

That is their opinion. Great Britain was acting like a tyrant so we rebelled. When the French got involved, they eventually said fuck it and went home.

At my high school US history class, they said that it was just a tantrum over taxes.

Yeah but they taxed us at insane rates. Also dissent was seen as treason. And the Church of England ran almost everything. So we made freedom of speech and separation of religion and the state.

[San Lumen]

We didn't even rename the colonies named after British Monarchs.

spot on accurate

[Atheris]

That is their opinion. Great Britain was acting like a tyrant so we rebelled. When the French got involved, they eventually said fuck it and went home.

At my high school US history class, they said that it was just a tantrum over taxes.

It was a lot more complex than that.

[New Jeferopholletopia]

What do you mean? Like Native American? I know that a couple are from the Cado tribe.

If, say, an Indian student was studying abroad, and is a citizen, they’d be an American, but culturally, they’d be Indian. It doesn’t make sense to listen to non-Americans about an important American decision, just like we don’t let...Uzbek people in Uzbekistan, for example, vote in elections. Note that I said in Uzbekistan.

So, how you do define an American? Do they have to be White?

And how do you define American culture? Is it just White culture from Europe or is it Native American culture? What about Latinos, Asians, and Black people and their cultures? America is diverse.

[Ethel mermania]

We should call it Ethel

Capital: Mermania

Brings a tear to my eye, it does

[American Pere Housh]

Capital: Mermania

Brings a tear to my eye, it does

*APH Air Force firebombs Ethel's capital*

[Kashimura]

Not to put out the wrong message here, but so what about Washington? Slave owning wasn’t an uncommon practice of the era, and if you dig though history, you’ll find loads of important figures who were grossly offensive by modern standards. Sure, it wasn’t the right thing to do, obviously, but it was just a part of life then. All this retroactive incrimination seems like it’s just eroding the history of places and people without any real benefit. Besides, there are far more names than just Washington to change if that’s the precedent we’re going to set. I can name more than ten off the top of my head.

[Ethel mermania]

Brings a tear to my eye, it does

*APH Air Force firebombs Ethel's capital*

This is general, we don't play that way here. Try ptmp or the nations section for that sort of thing.

[Dominioan]

Those things were completely normal back then, and he is very important to American history. So no.

This is dumb.

[American Pere Housh]

*APH Air Force firebombs Ethel's capital*

This is general, we don't play that way here. Try ptmp or the nations section for that sort of thing.

I was just messing with you. I've been on long enough to know how thing are done on here.

[New Jeferopholletopia]

5 people in the poll voted in favor of renaming Washington.

[Kedri]

Is there a source or article, OP?

[New Jeferopholletopia]

Is there a source or article, OP?

People

[Minskiev]

If, say, an Indian student was studying abroad, and is a citizen, they’d be an American, but culturally, they’d be Indian. It doesn’t make sense to listen to non-Americans about an important American decision, just like we don’t let...Uzbek people in Uzbekistan, for example, vote in elections. Note that I said in Uzbekistan.

So, how you do define an American? Do they have to be White?

And how do you define American culture? Is it just White culture from Europe or is it Native American culture? What about Latinos, Asians, and Black people and their cultures? America is diverse.

Alright, let’s see how simple I can make this.

Human not born in America. Human go to America. Human become American. Human practice not American traditions. Human American. Human practice not American culture.

America’s a land of immigrants.

[Czechostan]

Let the people of Washington decide.

Given Washington's reputation as the single most influential founding father of the US, i doubt they're keen on giving up the state's name. Personally, I couldn't care less what the state is called. when it comes to fighting racism, there's bigger fish to fry.

[New Jeferopholletopia]

So, how you do define an American? Do they have to be White?

And how do you define American culture? Is it just White culture from Europe or is it Native American culture? What about Latinos, Asians, and Black people and their cultures? America is diverse.

Alright, let’s see how simple I can make this.

Human not born in America. Human go to America. Human become American. Human practice not American traditions. Human American. Human practice not American culture.

America’s a land of immigrants.

What are American traditions? Like Native American rituals?

[Minskiev]

Alright, let’s see how simple I can make this.

Human not born in America. Human go to America. Human become American. Human practice not American traditions. Human American. Human practice not American culture.

America’s a land of immigrants.

What are American traditions? Like Native American rituals?

Sure. Some prominent pieces of culture also include, but are not limited to:

Gumbo
Fried chicken
The Pledge or Allegiance
Gun rights
Relatively free markets
Elections
The American flag
The bald eagle

I’m not sure why you’re trying your hardest to make me look like some cultural bad guy, or whatever. We’re not even arguing and you’re trying to commit a logical fallacy.

[The Reformed American Republic]

WTF? Is there any piece of American culture that many on the left don't seek to destroy in the name of SocJus?

[New Jeferopholletopia]

What are American traditions? Like Native American rituals?

Sure. Some prominent pieces of culture also include, but are not limited to:

Gumbo
Fried chicken
The Pledge or Allegiance
Gun rights
Relatively free markets
Elections
The American flag
The bald eagle

I’m not sure why you’re trying your hardest to make me look like some cultural bad guy, or whatever. We’re not even arguing and you’re trying to commit a logical fallacy.

My best friend was born in America and served in the Marine Corps for 8 years. He is a vegetarian (no gumbo or fried chicken for him), is opposed to capitalism, and is in favor of gun control. Is he un-American even though he was born here and was a marine for 8 years?

[Atheris]

Sure. Some prominent pieces of culture also include, but are not limited to:

Gumbo
Fried chicken
The Pledge or Allegiance
Gun rights
Relatively free markets
Elections
The American flag
The bald eagle

I’m not sure why you’re trying your hardest to make me look like some cultural bad guy, or whatever. We’re not even arguing and you’re trying to commit a logical fallacy.

My best friend was born in America and served in the Marine Corps for 8 years. He is a vegetarian (no gumbo or fried chicken for him), is opposed to capitalism, and is in favor of gun control. Is he un-American even though he was born here and was a marine for 8 years?

He did say "not limited to".

As far as I'm concerned, if you want to be an American and you have the option to legally become an American, you're an American to me.

[The Black Forrest]

If you are going to rename the state of Washington, you have to rename Washington DC.

Call it Omashu and give it to me!

[Atheris]

If you are going to rename the state of Washington, you have to rename Washington DC.

Call it Omashu and give it to me!

I full-heartedly support this.

Make Washington Omashu Again! King Bumi for President!

[The United Artherian Federation]

"Rename this and rename that because x person did y thing therefore z which is named after them is a symbol of oppression!"
If we keep renaming stuff we're eventually going to live into a 1984 dystopia, with the past convoluted and ever changing. This quote from the book sums it up.

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. History has stopped.

Renaming things does nothing to change what the person has or has not done.

[New Jeferopholletopia]

"Rename this and rename that because x person did y thing therefore z which is named after them is a symbol of oppression!"
If we keep renaming stuff we're eventually going to live into a 1984 dystopia, with the past convoluted and ever changing. This quote from the book sums it up.

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. History has stopped.

Renaming things does nothing to change what the person has or has not done.

That's a good point. And a scary one.

[The United Artherian Federation]

"Rename this and rename that because x person did y thing therefore z which is named after them is a symbol of oppression!"
If we keep renaming stuff we're eventually going to live into a 1984 dystopia, with the past convoluted and ever changing. This quote from the book sums it up.

Renaming things does nothing to change what the person has or has not done.

That's a good point. And a scary one.

Thank you.