Should the State of Washington be renamed?

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

That doesn't change the fact he's been dead for over 200 years. Whether or not he's being honoured matters a lot less to him at this point.

If he hasn't been diefied.

Actually, multiple Shinto congregations have deified him in Hawai'i.

It honors the first president of the United States. Changing it is stupid.

So what if it honours some long dead asshole? America won't cease to exist if the Ghost of Washington is not appeased.

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Slavery was just a system of working relationships.

Oh, you.

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Because if we are going to take this step why not rename everything named for him and remove every statue?

Sounds like a great excuse for people to flex their creative muscles.

I'd argue the state of Washington could do a good renaming, tbh. Not because I agree that Washington is bad (I don't agree with that), I just like the native names a lot more.

[Ethel mermania]

The grievances of small minorities-within-minorities in relation to historical behaviour that happened hundreds of years ago are "real" and we should change things to placate them. Attachment to the names of places that reflect the majority heritage and history are "trivial" and we shall dismiss any attempt to protect them as irrational "white fragility". Seeking to normalise these different standards is an ideological move.

Cultural fantasies and narratives are of course symbolic but they are an important framework for people to situate themselves in the world. Minorities must be very careful trying to scold the majority framework out of existence as this will increase the hostility that they face; when you say "your American history and culture does not include me and therefore your America must fall" this will frequently be read as an act of self-otherisation.

We will call it DIland, you in?

[Ifreann]

The grievances of small minorities-within-minorities in relation to historical behaviour that happened hundreds of years ago are "real" and we should change things to placate them. Attachment to the names of places that reflect the majority heritage and history are "trivial" and we shall dismiss any attempt to protect them as irrational "white fragility". Seeking to normalise these different standards is an ideological move.

Cultural fantasies and narratives are of course symbolic but they are an important framework for people to situate themselves in the world. Minorities must be very careful trying to scold the majority framework out of existence as this will increase the hostility that they face; when you say "your American history and culture does not include me and therefore your America must fall" this will frequently be read as an act of self-otherisation.

I don't think placating people by respecting their cultural fantasies works when you tell them that that's what you're doing.

[Heloin]

I didn't say he wasn't. But when the sole defence San can seem to muster up for why changing the name would matter is honouring the guy then the question become "why do you care so much". The name of the state doesn't change who lives there and who they are. Whether or not Washington is honoured doesn't delete America off the face of the Earth no matter how much some people may want that some days.


I think Team America World Police on the bottom with the sword may be an issue.

she is the prettiest one there. Also the Only one doing any real work in the whole painting.

Even Washington isn't doing any work. The State, nay the Nation needs a name that inspires hard work, sacrifice, and pride! Something no one here could possibly be biased towards. I'm thinking something like Ethel. That's a good name for a state.

[San Lumen]

she is the prettiest one there. Also the Only one doing any real work in the whole painting.

Even Washington isn't doing any work. The State, nay the Nation needs a name that inspires hard work, sacrifice, and pride! Something no one here could possibly be biased towards. I'm thinking something like Ethel. That's a good name for a state.

Why not Lumen? It’s a measurement of light.

[Ethel mermania]

she is the prettiest one there. Also the Only one doing any real work in the whole painting.

Even Washington isn't doing any work. The State, nay the Nation needs a name that inspires hard work, sacrifice, and pride! Something no one here could possibly be biased towards. I'm thinking something like Ethel. That's a good name for a state.

Glad to have you as part of the team. Half now, the rest upon the name change.

[Dogmeat]

Westaho or Northagon

[Chopaka]

Really should not judge someone from the past by the standards of today. The state, the city and the statues that honor the history of the nation is not about the man but about the history, the very foundation of the nation. He could have been a complete idiot (unlikely) in reality, but that has nothing to do with it. He was the first president, so his name holds a solidarity for a nation, and removing that name from history because he was a slave owner or had committed some other sin, would make the nation as a whole have less foundation. At what point would this nonsense be stopped. Remove every man from being memorialized because they are a man?

[San Lumen]

Really should not judge someone from the past by the standards of today. The state, the city and the statues that honor the history of the nation is not about the man but about the history, the very foundation of the nation. He could have been a complete idiot (unlikely) in reality, but that has nothing to do with it. He was the first president, so his name holds a solidarity for a nation, and removing that name from history because he was a slave owner or had committed some other sin, would make the nation as a whole have less foundation. At what point would this nonsense be stopped. Remove every man from being memorialized because they are a man?

That’s a question I’ve asked whenever this topic comes up.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Really should not judge someone from the past by the standards of today. The state, the city and the statues that honor the history of the nation is not about the man but about the history, the very foundation of the nation. He could have been a complete idiot (unlikely) in reality, but that has nothing to do with it. He was the first president, so his name holds a solidarity for a nation, and removing that name from history because he was a slave owner or had committed some other sin, would make the nation as a whole have less foundation. At what point would this nonsense be stopped. Remove every man from being memorialized because they are a man?

A seemingly ever increasing amount of people on the left do seem to be in favor of a Year Zero knockoff, yeah.

[Atheris]

Really should not judge someone from the past by the standards of today. The state, the city and the statues that honor the history of the nation is not about the man but about the history, the very foundation of the nation. He could have been a complete idiot (unlikely) in reality, but that has nothing to do with it. He was the first president, so his name holds a solidarity for a nation, and removing that name from history because he was a slave owner or had committed some other sin, would make the nation as a whole have less foundation. At what point would this nonsense be stopped. Remove every man from being memorialized because they are a man?

Hell, the oblast St. Petersburg belongs to is still called Leningrad Oblast in Russia.

[-Astoria-]

Really should not judge someone from the past by the standards of today. The state, the city and the statues that honor the history of the nation is not about the man but about the history, the very foundation of the nation. He could have been a complete idiot (unlikely) in reality, but that has nothing to do with it. He was the first president, so his name holds a solidarity for a nation, and removing that name from history because he was a slave owner or had committed some other sin, would make the nation as a whole have less foundation. At what point would this nonsense be stopped. Remove every man from being memorialized because they are a man?

A seemingly ever increasing amount of people on the left do seem to be in favor of a Year Zero knockoff, yeah.

*citation needed*

[San Lumen]

Really should not judge someone from the past by the standards of today. The state, the city and the statues that honor the history of the nation is not about the man but about the history, the very foundation of the nation. He could have been a complete idiot (unlikely) in reality, but that has nothing to do with it. He was the first president, so his name holds a solidarity for a nation, and removing that name from history because he was a slave owner or had committed some other sin, would make the nation as a whole have less foundation. At what point would this nonsense be stopped. Remove every man from being memorialized because they are a man?

A seemingly ever increasing amount of people on the left do seem to be in favor of a Year Zero knockoff, yeah.

A small minority.

[Ifreann]

Really should not judge someone from the past by the standards of today.

Washington was criticised during his lifetime for the ridiculous hypocrisy of waging a war for freedom and equality and then continuing to hold his fellow men in bondage. Abolitionist movements were not invented in the 21st century, they existed during Washington's lifetime. He had to dodge laws that would have freed his slaves by regularly moving them all out of the state. It is simply impossible that he could have been unfamiliar with the idea that it was wrong to enslave Black people. He must have heard those arguments but simply not been moved by them.

The state, the city and the statues that honor the history of the nation is not about the man but about the history, the very foundation of the nation. He could have been a complete idiot (unlikely) in reality, but that has nothing to do with it. He was the first president, so his name holds a solidarity for a nation, and removing that name from history because he was a slave owner or had committed some other sin, would make the nation as a whole have less foundation. At what point would this nonsense be stopped. Remove every man from being memorialized because they are a man?

The history of America is not recorded in the names of the states or of schools or any other such thing. Changing the name of that state, or of some schools, or of anything else, will not cause the world to lose all record of America's first president.

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Really should not judge someone from the past by the standards of today. The state, the city and the statues that honor the history of the nation is not about the man but about the history, the very foundation of the nation. He could have been a complete idiot (unlikely) in reality, but that has nothing to do with it. He was the first president, so his name holds a solidarity for a nation, and removing that name from history because he was a slave owner or had committed some other sin, would make the nation as a whole have less foundation. At what point would this nonsense be stopped. Remove every man from being memorialized because they are a man?

A seemingly ever increasing amount of people on the left do seem to be in favor of a Year Zero knockoff, yeah.

It would be nice to have a system of numbering years that didn't go from -1 to 1.

[Aeritai]

I'm pretty sure Washington wouldn't care in fact I think he disliked being honored or glorified I remember a poster saying something about in the statue thread.

I also read some where that Washington turned down a military parade that was going to honor him.

[Xmara]

No, that’s stupid. Not to mention it would probably be a difficult and expensive process.

[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

Who, the British or the Chinese?

People at my university here in Texas.

Where I am from, we see the people at American colleges and universities as the most stupid on the planet. Not all of course I also have family there, but come on. They go calling everything racist and sexist, good amount of them are Marxists and if you don’t agree with them, even if you are 100% right, you are a fascist and a Nazi. Next step is banning free speech and history

[Minskiev]

I say we name it Paine.
The greatest Founding Father needs more recognition.

Gotta love being surrounded by all the Paine.

[Ifreann]

People at my university here in Texas.

As a European, we see the people at American colleges and universities as the most stupid on the planet. Not all of course I also have family there, but come on. They go calling everything racist and sexist, good amount of them are Marxists and if you don’t agree with them, even if you are 100% right, you are a fascist and a Nazi. Next step is banning free speech and history

As a European, this poster does not represent us.

[Atheris]

I say we name it Paine.
The greatest Founding Father needs more recognition.

Gotta love being surrounded by all the Paine.

You're going to make me

[Minskiev]

Gotta love being surrounded by all the Paine.

You're going to make me

Stop, please. It’s scarily great, but greatly scaring me.

As a European, we see the people at American colleges and universities as the most stupid on the planet. Not all of course I also have family there, but come on. They go calling everything racist and sexist, good amount of them are Marxists and if you don’t agree with them, even if you are 100% right, you are a fascist and a Nazi. Next step is banning free speech and history

As a European, this poster does not represent us.

Americans are idiots! Because...because the stereotypes said so!

[The Fair Republic]

There's a difference between honoring someone who, despite their sins, set up the institutions we still use today (Washington, Jefferson) and honoring someone who rebelled against the government to keep people enslaved (Davis, Lee, Stonewall Jackson)

[Atheris]

You're going to make me

(Image)

Stop, please. It’s scarily great, but greatly scaring me.

Don't tell me you

[Minskiev]

Stop, please. It’s scarily great, but greatly scaring me.

Don't tell me you

NOOOO PLEASE

[Atheris]

Don't tell me you

NOOOO PLEASE

You're going to have to wait for

before I stop making these puns.