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Should the state of Washington be renamed?

Yes
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No
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Risottia
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Postby Risottia » Mon Sep 21, 2020 1:11 am

South Odreria 2 wrote:I vote we rename it Baja Canada

More like Baja British Columbia.
Bajo Canada would be the whole US.
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Postby Lamoni » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:04 am

Eurasies wrote:
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Ah. But are they culturally American?

Those people are probably leftists, not very smart


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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:50 am

Atheris wrote:
Rusozak wrote:We didn't even rename the colonies named after British Monarchs.

VIRGINIA IS A FUCKING GREAT NAME

Name a land after the idea that the Queen wasn't getting any.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
New Jeferopholletopia wrote:
That's a good point. And a scary one.

Glad you acknowledge this. Where does an idea like this end? Do we rename the four state capitals named for presidents, Lincoln, Madison. Jefferson City, Jackson? Do we take down the memorials to Washington and Jefferson? Hundreds of counties and towns are named for people who held views we would consider racist or xenophobic by today’s standards. To want to rename them all of them is absurd.

It's a shame to see how terrified some people are by the mere idea of the most trivial of changes.
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Postby Santo de Lauricio » Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:52 am

Lamoni wrote:
Eurasies wrote:Those people are probably leftists, not very smart


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seriously? how is that even trolling

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:25 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Glad you acknowledge this. Where does an idea like this end? Do we rename the four state capitals named for presidents, Lincoln, Madison. Jefferson City, Jackson? Do we take down the memorials to Washington and Jefferson? Hundreds of counties and towns are named for people who held views we would consider racist or xenophobic by today’s standards. To want to rename them all of them is absurd.

It's a shame to see how terrified some people are by the mere idea of the most trivial of changes.

How is it trivial? We’re talking about changing a state name,

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:26 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's a shame to see how terrified some people are by the mere idea of the most trivial of changes.

How is it trivial? We’re talking about changing a state name,

Exactly. It's just a name.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is it trivial? We’re talking about changing a state name,

Exactly. It's just a name.


It honors the first president of the United States. Changing it is stupid.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:30 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is it trivial? We’re talking about changing a state name,

Exactly. It's just a name.


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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Exactly. It's just a name.


It honors the first president of the United States. Changing it is stupid.

There's no pressing need to change it or really any want, but why would changing it actually matter?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:40 am

Heloin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It honors the first president of the United States. Changing it is stupid.

There's no pressing need to change it or really any want, but why would changing it actually matter?

Because if we are going to take this step why not rename everything named for him and remove every statue?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's a shame to see how terrified some people are by the mere idea of the most trivial of changes.

How is it trivial? We’re talking about changing a state name,

We changed the name of the Tappan zee bridge. Costs a bit of money to change the signage

Just print up a few " welcome to Ethel" signs. Get a high school art completion to design the great seal of Ethel, and we are half way there.
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:44 am

San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:There's no pressing need to change it or really any want, but why would changing it actually matter?

Because if we are going to take this step why not rename everything named for him and remove every statue?

Ok, and?

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is it trivial? We’re talking about changing a state name,

We changed the name of the Tappan zee bridge. Costs a bit of money to change the signage

Just print up a few " welcome to Ethel" signs. Get a high school art completion to design the great seal of Ethel, and we are half way there.

Encourage locals to repaint the signs for you. No need to spend the money when you trick people into thinking it's their civic duty.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:45 am

Hands off my state commies.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:46 am

That's for Washingtonians to decide.
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Postby Kermit T Frog » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:There's no pressing need to change it or really any want, but why would changing it actually matter?

Because if we are going to take this step why not rename everything named for him and remove every statue?

Ok replace it with my love

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:51 am

Heloin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Because if we are going to take this step why not rename everything named for him and remove every statue?

Ok, and?

Ethel mermania wrote:We changed the name of the Tappan zee bridge. Costs a bit of money to change the signage

Just print up a few " welcome to Ethel" signs. Get a high school art completion to design the great seal of Ethel, and we are half way there.

Encourage locals to repaint the signs for you. No need to spend the money when you trick people into thinking it's their civic duty.


By the standard the OP set anything named for anyone from before the civil rights movement should be renamed because they might have held racist or homophobic beliefs thst in their time were common.

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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:58 am

San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:Ok, and?


Encourage locals to repaint the signs for you. No need to spend the money when you trick people into thinking it's their civic duty.


By the standard the OP set anything named for anyone from before the civil rights movement should be renamed because they might have held racist or homophobic beliefs thst in their time were common.

I'm arguing that the name doesn't matter. I don't care to much about the name itself, it's serviceable and generally non-offensive, but you don't seem to be responding to me. You seem to be responding to the OP again and using my posts as a jumping off point for that instead of reading what I wrote.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 21, 2020 5:59 am

Heloin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
By the standard the OP set anything named for anyone from before the civil rights movement should be renamed because they might have held racist or homophobic beliefs thst in their time were common.

I'm arguing that the name doesn't matter. I don't care to much about the name itself, it's serviceable and generally non-offensive, but you don't seem to be responding to me. You seem to be responding to the OP again and using my posts as a jumping off point for that instead of reading what I wrote.

The name does matter. It honors our first president,

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:04 am

San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:I'm arguing that the name doesn't matter. I don't care to much about the name itself, it's serviceable and generally non-offensive, but you don't seem to be responding to me. You seem to be responding to the OP again and using my posts as a jumping off point for that instead of reading what I wrote.

The name does matter. It honors our first president,

let the locals decide what to call themselves. If they want to call themselves Kiwiland, in spite of having no kiwis there, why not?
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Postby Heloin » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:05 am

San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:I'm arguing that the name doesn't matter. I don't care to much about the name itself, it's serviceable and generally non-offensive, but you don't seem to be responding to me. You seem to be responding to the OP again and using my posts as a jumping off point for that instead of reading what I wrote.

The name does matter. It honors our first president,

I'm sure Washington wouldn't mind, he's been dead a while now.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:08 am

Heloin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The name does matter. It honors our first president,

I'm sure Washington wouldn't mind, he's been dead a while now.

Well he very well might, he cared very much what posterity thought of him.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:08 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
San Lumen wrote:The name does matter. It honors our first president,

let the locals decide what to call themselves. If they want to call themselves Kiwiland, in spite of having no kiwis there, why not?

I doubt there is much support for renaming the state.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:09 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:let the locals decide what to call themselves. If they want to call themselves Kiwiland, in spite of having no kiwis there, why not?

I doubt there is much support for renaming the state.

I agree.

But this is NationStates

It's kind of like my attitude of the Confederate statues. Let the locals decide. If they want to look at jeb Stuart and call themselves Ethelanians, God bless them let them. If they don't, thats OK too..
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:09 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Exactly. It's just a name.


It honors the first president of the United States. Changing it is stupid.

So what if it honours some long dead asshole? America won't cease to exist if the Ghost of Washington is not appeased.


Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Exactly. It's just a name.


Slavery was just a system of working relationships.

Oh, you.


San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:There's no pressing need to change it or really any want, but why would changing it actually matter?

Because if we are going to take this step why not rename everything named for him and remove every statue?

Sounds like a great excuse for people to flex their creative muscles.
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