Should the State of Washington be renamed?

[Freiheit Reich]

Washington was a vile piece of human filth, but I think it might be too late to rename the state. Tear his statues down though.

Washington was not the kindest president and he had a big ego but he was better than most presidents. He got the newly formed country off to a good start. He also bravely served in the army in a leadership role which is more than we can say for such leaders as Clinton, Obama, Trump, and George W. Bush.

https://historyplex.com/major-accomplis ... washington

Mongolians still admire Genghis Khan and China still admires Mao and Vietnam still admires Ho Chi Minh who were all much worse than Washington and I doubt many liberals are asking them to tear down those statues and pictures there and rename Ho Chi Minh City.

[American Pere Housh]

God you are so full of yourself it hurts

You don't get to have faults unless your a Marxist who spews critical race theory or other such drivel.

I hate to say it, but those lost causers were right about it not ending at confederate monuments. Can't even admire our forefathers anymore.

Critical race theory,Political correctness and Cancel Culture is the biggest butch of BS I have heard.

[American Pere Housh]

Washington was a vile piece of human filth, but I think it might be too late to rename the state. Tear his statues down though.

Washington was not the kindest president and he had a big ego but he was better than most presidents. He got the newly formed country off to a good start. He also bravely served in the army in a leadership role which is more than we can say for such leaders as Clinton, Obama, Trump, and George W. Bush.

https://historyplex.com/major-accomplis ... washington

Mongolians still admire Genghis Khan and China still admires Mao and Vietnam still admires Ho Chi Minh who were all much worse than Washington and I doubt many liberals are asking them to tear down those statues and pictures there and rename Ho Chi Minh City.

GWB served in the USAF

[South Odreria 2]

Washington was a vile piece of human filth, but I think it might be too late to rename the state. Tear his statues down though.

Washington was not the kindest president and he had a big ego but he was better than most presidents. He got the newly formed country off to a good start. He also bravely served in the army in a leadership role which is more than we can say for such leaders as Clinton, Obama, Trump, and George W. Bush.

https://historyplex.com/major-accomplis ... washington

Mongolians still admire Genghis Khan and China still admires Mao and Vietnam still admires Ho Chi Minh who were all much worse than Washington and I doubt many liberals are asking them to tear down those statues and pictures there and rename Ho Chi Minh City.

That's questionable. Both Washington and Ho Chi Minh were great leaders of their nation.

[Socialist States of Ludistan]

First of all, liberals are center-right, so the “liberals” don’t actually know what they are. Secondly, it was normal to be a racist, slave owner and all that back in his time, and did you forget that he was also the first president if America? But if the people of Washington really want it to be renamed then they can rename it to Lincoln. But no, it shouldn’t be renamed.

[San Lumen]

Washington was not the kindest president and he had a big ego but he was better than most presidents. He got the newly formed country off to a good start. He also bravely served in the army in a leadership role which is more than we can say for such leaders as Clinton, Obama, Trump, and George W. Bush.

https://historyplex.com/major-accomplis ... washington

Mongolians still admire Genghis Khan and China still admires Mao and Vietnam still admires Ho Chi Minh who were all much worse than Washington and I doubt many liberals are asking them to tear down those statues and pictures there and rename Ho Chi Minh City.

That's questionable. Both Washington and Ho Chi Minh were both great leaders of their nation.

Washington was also the only person who could have gotten majority support after the constitution was drafted. There was no other logical choice.

[San Lumen]

First of all, liberals are center-right, so the “liberals” don’t actually know what they are. Secondly, it was normal to be a racist, slave owner and all that back in his time, and did you forget that he was also the first president if America? But if the people of Washington really want it to be renamed then they can rename it to Lincoln. But no, it shouldn’t be renamed.

If you ever read the Lincoln-Douglas debates some of things said by him are quite racist by today's standards.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

You're god damn right about everything here except for my ignorance. I'm just not an apologetic for their atrocities.

Are you serious right now? No one is apologizing for bad things that were done. They were widely held beliefs at the time. what would you have rather happened? The North insisted on slavery being abolished and there is no three fifths compromise. The south walks out of the constitutional convention. The Articles of Confederation continue and soon after the nation falls apart because they system was untenable?

Nice althistory; go on


I think Cascadia or Jefferson would probably win as a new name if there were a referendum on the new name after a past referendum decided to rename.

[Necroghastia]

keep it washington but name it after a different washington
same with washington, dc: just change it from district of columbia to district of carver

ezpz

[Kiu Ghesik]

Are you serious right now? No one is apologizing for bad things that were done. They were widely held beliefs at the time. what would you have rather happened? The North insisted on slavery being abolished and there is no three fifths compromise. The south walks out of the constitutional convention. The Articles of Confederation continue and soon after the nation falls apart because they system was untenable?

Nice althistory; go on


I think Cascadia or Jefferson would probably win as a new name if there were a referendum on the new name after a past referendum decided to rename.

Jefferson's a no-go too, though.

[San Lumen]

Are you serious right now? No one is apologizing for bad things that were done. They were widely held beliefs at the time. what would you have rather happened? The North insisted on slavery being abolished and there is no three fifths compromise. The south walks out of the constitutional convention. The Articles of Confederation continue and soon after the nation falls apart because they system was untenable?

Nice althistory; go on


I think Cascadia or Jefferson would probably win as a new name if there were a referendum on the new name after a past referendum decided to rename.

Its very possible that's what would have happened. abolishing slavery was simply not possible in 1787.

Both would be good names but Jefferson owed slaves too. A referendum won't happen because there is no support for doing so.

[Freiheit Reich]

Washington was not the kindest president and he had a big ego but he was better than most presidents. He got the newly formed country off to a good start. He also bravely served in the army in a leadership role which is more than we can say for such leaders as Clinton, Obama, Trump, and George W. Bush.

https://historyplex.com/major-accomplis ... washington

Mongolians still admire Genghis Khan and China still admires Mao and Vietnam still admires Ho Chi Minh who were all much worse than Washington and I doubt many liberals are asking them to tear down those statues and pictures there and rename Ho Chi Minh City.

GWB served in the USAF

His service in the air force was tarnished and it is doubtful he served in a leadership capacity although technically as an officer he outranked most people in the air force.

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/ ... 972-095023

http://archive.boston.com/news/nation/a ... _at_guard/

[The Black Forrest]

Washington was not the kindest president and he had a big ego but he was better than most presidents. He got the newly formed country off to a good start. He also bravely served in the army in a leadership role which is more than we can say for such leaders as Clinton, Obama, Trump, and George W. Bush.

https://historyplex.com/major-accomplis ... washington

Mongolians still admire Genghis Khan and China still admires Mao and Vietnam still admires Ho Chi Minh who were all much worse than Washington and I doubt many liberals are asking them to tear down those statues and pictures there and rename Ho Chi Minh City.

GWB served in the USAF

Wellll kinda. Air national guard. He somehow avoided Viet Nam due to flight hours and the fact his fighter line was getting retired. Didn’t know pilots were limited to only one type of plane. It was probably a good idea for him as I have seen a few comments he was a mediocre pilot who barely passed.

[American Pere Housh]

keep it washington but name it after a different washington
same with washington, dc: just change it from district of columbia to district of carver

ezpz

Yes lets rename our capital as the creator of the many uses for peanuts.

[San Lumen]

keep it washington but name it after a different washington
same with washington, dc: just change it from district of columbia to district of carver

ezpz

Yes lets rename our capital as the creator of the many uses for peanuts.

Carver city or Carverville is a nice name thing.

[American Pere Housh]

Welcome to Carversburg

[Freiheit Reich]

Washington was not the kindest president and he had a big ego but he was better than most presidents. He got the newly formed country off to a good start. He also bravely served in the army in a leadership role which is more than we can say for such leaders as Clinton, Obama, Trump, and George W. Bush.

https://historyplex.com/major-accomplis ... washington

Mongolians still admire Genghis Khan and China still admires Mao and Vietnam still admires Ho Chi Minh who were all much worse than Washington and I doubt many liberals are asking them to tear down those statues and pictures there and rename Ho Chi Minh City.

That's questionable. Both Washington and Ho Chi Minh were great leaders of their nation.

When Vietnamese people become woke (perhaps in 50 years) then it will be interesting if they rename Ho Chi Minh City. This dear leader was evil and MUCH worse than Washington. However, he was communist so perhaps this makes him someone to be admired and makes all those deaths OK. Andrew Jackson was an evil US president just like Ho Chi Minh was an evil ruler. Washington was a great leader because his most evil acts were not that bad and his achievements did a lot of good. Jackson and Ho Chi Minh were both monsters and all places named after these two should be renamed.

https://blog.vvfh.org/2014/04/who-was-h ... -murderer/

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos.13 These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death. In 1995 Vietnam revealed that they lost 1.1 million military dead 14 during the war. As a percentage of their populations, Ho is responsible for as many deaths in Indochina as Mao Tse-tung was in China.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Nice althistory; go on


I think Cascadia or Jefferson would probably win as a new name if there were a referendum on the new name after a past referendum decided to rename.

Jefferson's a no-go too, though.

How about Mott or Lucretia, after the minster, abolitionist, pacifist, suffragist, feminist, and labor-rights activist from an era of the early USA. Like the founders, she helped argue for several causes, and won some of them. However, I am not aware of any looting or tarring/feathering that she did or supported. So far only Cascadia has any connection to the area. Washington did absolutely nothing in that area as far as I know, just like the Quaker minister Lucretia Mott.
Basically all of the founders supported or turned a blind eye to riots (Boston Tea Party was not much different from riots/looting today; in both eras it is/was evil) and torture (tarring and feathering), not to mention slavery. They did some good things, but also some horrible things. Regardless, it is dangerous to place mere mortals on pedestals so that they basically become idols. People did/do that for many fascists/dictators, and money/power (which is in its own way a dictator) and become powerless to their idol.

Here is another potential namesake with no connection to the area as far as I know: Fred Rogers. A very patient and kind person by all accounts, but no significant activism prior to 1900, so not really a name-place-after-worthy historical person.


If they get a majority wanting to rename it, finding someone with an actual connection to the area would be nice. It is weird to see statues and then read the plaque and see that it is dedicated to the lost cause of a CSA leader who never was in the small town where the statue is.

[South Odreria 2]

That's questionable. Both Washington and Ho Chi Minh were great leaders of their nation.

When Vietnamese people become woke (perhaps in 50 years) then it will be interesting if they rename Ho Chi Minh City. This dear leader was evil and MUCH worse than Washington. However, he was communist so perhaps this makes him someone to be admired and makes all those deaths OK. Andrew Jackson was an evil US president just like Ho Chi Minh was an evil ruler. Washington was a great leader because his most evil acts were not that bad and his achievements did a lot of good. Jackson and Ho Chi Minh were both monsters and all places named after these two should be renamed.

https://blog.vvfh.org/2014/04/who-was-h ... -murderer/

As the man responsible for the spread of communism in Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, Ho Chi Minh is directly and indirectly responsible for the lives of 1.7 million Cambodians,12 2 million Vietnamese and possibly 230,000 in Laos.13 These are not war dead, but people murdered, starved to death and “reeducated” to death. In 1995 Vietnam revealed that they lost 1.1 million military dead 14 during the war. As a percentage of their populations, Ho is responsible for as many deaths in Indochina as Mao Tse-tung was in China.

Nonfiction sources would make your argument more convincing.

[Senkaku]

I know people here who are so hotsky to trotsky they make Lenin look like a capitalist roader and literally no one is worried about this right now, so let's just... simmer down

[Neanderthaland]

I'm wondering if OP has any specific evidence that Washington was a homophobe?

I mean, he probably was. It was common sentiment at the time. But did he ever actually say or do anything that would suggest he was?

[Senkaku]

The state of Washington was named after George Washington. I have heard some argue that because George Washington was a slave owner, racist, and a homophobe that he shouldn't be glorified and that the state of Washington should be renamed.

WHO have you heard arguing this. I want names. who

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

The state of Washington was named after George Washington. I have heard some argue that because George Washington was a slave owner, racist, and a homophobe that he shouldn't be glorified and that the state of Washington should be renamed.

WHO have you heard arguing this. I want names. who

Renamey McRenameface?



But seriously, George Washington had no direct connection to the area comprising his namesake state. I could understand Lewis/Clark/Hill/Makah/Heceta/Gray/etc a bit more

[Infected Mushroom]

Let’s rename it:

Vota Democrato Partita

(Aka bad Spanish for “Vote for the Democratic Party”)

[Alternamerica]

I vote we rename it Cascadia