RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg!

[Salus Maior]

I wouldn't mind my taxes being used to support children rather than murder them.

Either here or overseas.

Ok. One. The majority do not.

I know plenty of people who believe the same as me.

It's almost as if the Republican party doesn't have a monopoly on pro-life principles, and that they do it incongruently (and really only to pander to a specific demographic) doesn't really negate the points of said principles.

[The Alma Mater]

Ok. One. The majority do not.

I know plenty of people who believe the same as me.

How much do you and them currently donate then ?

[Salus Maior]

Isn't that a bit of a generalisation, though?

*looks at the world*

Where is all the money for unwanted children then ?

Probably being used to drone-strike brown children and start pointless wars.

[The Black Forrest]

Isn't that a bit of a generalisation, though?

*looks at the world*

Where is all the money for unwanted children then ?

Heh. Get out of my head. I wanted to write that.

[The Black Forrest]

*looks at the world*

Where is all the money for unwanted children then ?

Probably being used to drone-strike brown children and start pointless wars.

And yet support for unwanted children doesn’t change when there are no strikes or pointless wars.

[The Alma Mater]

*looks at the world*

Where is all the money for unwanted children then ?

Heh. Get out of my head. I wanted to write that.

Well, it is a pretty obvious question. Lots of people say they are more than willing to help - but very little help actually is given.
Talk is cheap.

[Salus Maior]

I know plenty of people who believe the same as me.

How much do you and them currently donate then ?

I pay my taxes if that's what you're asking.

If you're asking if I, personally, support unwanted children across the continent, I hope you would reflect on how ridiculous that is to expect of me.

Especially considering you likely don't do the same for your own humanitarian causes. Because that's too much of a burden on the individual, which is why people appeal the government to step in when it comes to these sorts of situations. Whether that's welfare, or international aid, or funding certain clinics.

[Salus Maior]

Probably being used to drone-strike brown children and start pointless wars.

And yet support for unwanted children doesn’t change when there are no strikes or pointless wars.

Then that needs to change.

The same as issues surrounding sexual abuse, racism, etc. need to change.

[The Alma Mater]

How much do you and them currently donate then ?

I pay my taxes if that's what you're asking.

If you're asking if I, personally, support unwanted children across the continent, I hope you would reflect on how ridiculous that is to expect of me.

So you personally do not give a fuck. Thankyou.

Especially considering you likely don't do the same for your own humanitarian causes.

30% of my salary. For decades now.
Yes, that means I need to make sacrifices.

[The Black Forrest]

How much do you and them currently donate then ?

I pay my taxes if that's what you're asking.

If you're asking if I, personally, support unwanted children across the continent, I hope you would reflect on how ridiculous that is to expect of me.

Especially considering you likely don't do the same for your own humanitarian causes. Because that's too much of a burden on the individual, which is why people appeal the government to step in when it comes to these sorts of situations. Whether that's welfare, or international aid, or funding certain clinics.

We all pay taxes. It’s a simple argument as it allows for nothing is being done because of drone strikes and pointless wars arguements.

TAM didn’t ask if you supported children across the continent. TAM asked what if anything you donate to the cause?

Talk is easy and talk is cheap.

[Salus Maior]

30% of my salary. For decades now.
Yes, that means I need to make sacrifices.

Nice of you to have a salary.

[Salus Maior]

I pay my taxes if that's what you're asking.

If you're asking if I, personally, support unwanted children across the continent, I hope you would reflect on how ridiculous that is to expect of me.

Especially considering you likely don't do the same for your own humanitarian causes. Because that's too much of a burden on the individual, which is why people appeal the government to step in when it comes to these sorts of situations. Whether that's welfare, or international aid, or funding certain clinics.

We all pay taxes. It’s a simple argument as it allows for nothing is being done because of drone strikes and pointless wars arguements.

TAM didn’t ask if you supported children across the continent. TAM asked what if anything you donate to the cause?

Talk is easy and talk is cheap.

I'm not going to answer to personal accusations. Because that is entirely besides the point, and one can advocate for a position when they are not in a position to play activist for that position. Which, as a student with no job, I cannot contribute monetarily.

[The Black Forrest]

We all pay taxes. It’s a simple argument as it allows for nothing is being done because of drone strikes and pointless wars arguements.

TAM didn’t ask if you supported children across the continent. TAM asked what if anything you donate to the cause?

Talk is easy and talk is cheap.

I'm not going to answer to personal accusations. Because that is entirely besides the point, and one can advocate for a position when they are not in a position to play activist for that position. Which, as a student with no job, I cannot contribute monetarily.

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Nah never mind. This is a tangent to the thread.

[Salus Maior]

I'm not going to answer to personal accusations. Because that is entirely besides the point, and one can advocate for a position when they are not in a position to play activist for that position. Which, as a student with no job, I cannot contribute monetarily.

So....how are you paying taxes if you have no job?

When I had a job, I did. And I intend on doing so when I have a job again, as you would probably expect.

Do you usually go this far into investigating people when they say they support a cause?

-edit-

Nah never mind. This is a tangent to the thread.

Ad Hominems tend to do that.

[The Black Forrest]

So....how are you paying taxes if you have no job?

When I had a job, I did. And I intend on doing so when I have a job again, as you would probably expect.

Do you usually go this far into investigating people when they say they support a cause?

As already mentioned people make claims of supporting things and yet they only verbally support them. Talk is cheap.

-edit-

Nah never mind. This is a tangent to the thread.

Ad Hominems tend to do that.

Not an ad hominem if you make claims of supporting a social problem and yet only talk about it.

[Tarsonis]

When I had a job, I did. And I intend on doing so when I have a job again, as you would probably expect.

Do you usually go this far into investigating people when they say they support a cause?

As already mentioned people make claims of supporting things and yet they only verbally support them. Talk is cheap.

Ad Hominems tend to do that.

Not an ad hominem if you make claims of supporting a social problem and yet only talk about it.

This a debate forum, not a charity house. Get over yourself.

[Salus Maior]

When I had a job, I did. And I intend on doing so when I have a job again, as you would probably expect.

Do you usually go this far into investigating people when they say they support a cause?

As already mentioned people make claims of supporting things and yet they only verbally support them. Talk is cheap.

Ad Hominems tend to do that.

Not an ad hominem if you make claims of supporting a social problem and yet only talk about it.

It is. The truth of the principle isn't dependent on whether I personally shell out money for it or not, or whether I am able to.

I can say the country and culture should change with all sincerity (and I do), even if I can't personally affect the change. The same as someone in the Antebellum North could say with all sincerity that slavery should be abolished, even if they personally never freed any slaves or were able to do that.

[The Black Forrest]

As already mentioned people make claims of supporting things and yet they only verbally support them. Talk is cheap.



Not an ad hominem if you make claims of supporting a social problem and yet only talk about it.

It is. The truth of the principle isn't dependent on whether I personally shell out money for it or not, or whether I am able to.

I can say the country and culture should change with all sincerity (and I do), even if I can't personally affect the change. The same as someone in the Antebellum North could say with all sincerity that slavery should be abolished, even if they personally never freed any slaves or were able to do that.

Indeed.

Tarsonis is giving me threatening looks so I will bow out of this tangent.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I imagine it's already been discussed in one of the threads but Romney is showing support. Looks like it's gonna be 51-49.

[The Black Forrest]

I imagine it's already been discussed in one of the threads but Romney is showing support. Looks like it's gonna be 51-49.

I am surprised......well not really.....

I wonder what they promised him if anything?

It does serve two purposes. The slot and the other two get to say see we really didn’t support that so vote for us!

[The Alma Mater]

I can say the country and culture should change with all sincerity (and I do), even if I can't personally affect the change. The same as someone in the Antebellum North could say with all sincerity that slavery should be abolished, even if they personally never freed any slaves or were able to do that.

Tip: that sounds nice, but it is not how you improve the world. Do what you can. Feed the beggar in front of your supermarket. Care for the abandoned kitten. Do not buy stuff made with child labour. Etc.
Will it solve world hunger, animal suffering, slavery etc forever ? No. But it will solve the problem for individuals for a little while. And that makes a difference. For them at least.

:?:

As already mentioned people make claims of supporting things and yet they only verbally support them. Talk is cheap.



Not an ad hominem if you make claims of supporting a social problem and yet only talk about it.

This a debate forum, not a charity house. Get over yourself.

And the debate was what matters more - what people say should be done or what is actually done in reality. I argue for the second (and have in fact been doing that for years on this forum), as did justice Ginsberg.

And behold - back on topic. I am willing to continue the tangent in a new topic if people deem it interesting enough though.

[Salus Maior]

:?:

This a debate forum, not a charity house. Get over yourself.

And the debate was what matters more - what people say should be done or what is actually done in reality. I argue for the second (and have in fact been doing that for years on this forum), as did justice Ginsberg.

Good to know that you’ve been a fallacious debater for the extent of your time here.

[Salus Maior]

I can say the country and culture should change with all sincerity (and I do), even if I can't personally affect the change. The same as someone in the Antebellum North could say with all sincerity that slavery should be abolished, even if they personally never freed any slaves or were able to do that.

Tip: that sounds nice, but it is not how you improve the world. Do what you can. Feed the beggar in front of your supermarket. Care for the abandoned kitten. Do not buy stuff made with child labour. Etc.
Will it solve world hunger, animal suffering, slavery etc forever ? No. But it will solve the problem for individuals for a little while. And that makes a difference. For them at least.

I’m well aware. I am a Catholic after all, good works are a thing. I do my best.

Still doesn’t make your initial argument not a tu quoque.

[Elwher]

I wouldn't mind my taxes being used to support children rather than murder them.

Either here or overseas.

Ok. One. The majority do not.

Two.

[-Astoria-]

Ok. One. The majority do not.

Two.

Three.