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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:23 pm

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San Lumen wrote:he said he don't confirm justices in election years.

Being a hypocrite is a small price to pay to avoid getting a far leftist on the court

"Far leftists" lol, who are these "far leftists" you speak of?
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:27 pm

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San Lumen wrote:he said he don't confirm justices in election years.

Being a hypocrite is a small price to pay to avoid getting a far leftist on the court

What reason is there to believe a far-leftist stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting in under Biden?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:27 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Actually speaking of Graham he appears to be backpedaling on his 2016 statements. This might very well be a done deal aleady.


I am shocked....shocked I say.

What obligation is that? The republicans showed we can operate with a blank seat for 2 years.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:27 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Being a hypocrite is a small price to pay to avoid getting a far leftist on the court

"Far leftists" lol, who are these "far leftists" you speak of?


Anybody who doesn’t believe in his opinions.
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Postby Broader Confederate States » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:28 pm

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Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Being a hypocrite is a small price to pay to avoid getting a far leftist on the court


It's adorable you think Democrats are far left.

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It's adorable you think Democrats are far left.

Further to the left than the Dutch left-wing party and on par with Labour and Venstre.


Who do you even mean by "the Dutch left-wing party"? Like, which of the about five? And on what grounds are the Dems to the left of that?
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:50 pm

So Murkowski has straight said she won't vote for a replacement until after the election. So that's 1 of 3 votes we need to deny Mitch.
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Postby Loben III » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:57 pm

Tarsonis wrote:So Murkowski has straight said she won't vote for a replacement until after the election. So that's 1 of 3 votes we need to deny Mitch.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:09 pm

Tarsonis wrote:So Murkowski has straight said she won't vote for a replacement until after the election. So that's 1 of 3 votes we need to deny Mitch.


4 votes. If Mitch loses 3 Pence breaks the tie and they still win.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:36 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:So Murkowski has straight said she won't vote for a replacement until after the election. So that's 1 of 3 votes we need to deny Mitch.


4 votes. If Mitch loses 3 Pence breaks the tie and they still win.


Smells more like a stunt for their elections.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:54 pm

Broader Confederate States wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
It's adorable you think Democrats are far left.

Further to the left than the Dutch left-wing party and on par with Labour and Venstre.


Okay, back it up.

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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Tbh we should just get rid of the Supreme Court and draft a whole new constitution.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:01 pm

Punished UMN wrote:Tbh we should just get rid of the Supreme Court and draft a whole new constitution.

ancaps for the win!
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Postby Punished UMN » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:03 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Tbh we should just get rid of the Supreme Court and draft a whole new constitution.

ancaps for the win!

I'm a socialist.

The fact of the matter is that the American Constitution is not able to conform to socialism and having our laws determined by a council of elders who interpret an arcane document written by the fathers of the people is a stupid basis for a system of governance.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:22 pm

Punished UMN wrote:Tbh we should just get rid of the Supreme Court and draft a whole new constitution.

Drafted by me of course. :p
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Postby Tranzoria » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:24 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Punished UMN wrote:Tbh we should just get rid of the Supreme Court and draft a whole new constitution.

Drafted by me of course. :p

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Postby Broader Confederate States » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:50 pm

Savojarna wrote:
Broader Confederate States wrote:Further to the left than the Dutch left-wing party and on par with Labour and Venstre.


Who do you even mean by "the Dutch left-wing party"? Like, which of the about five? And on what grounds are the Dems to the left of that?

The biggest one, obviously.
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Okay, back it up.

Democratic Party policy (gun control, more government institutions, universal healthcare, and more immigration) are well within the bounds of European and Canadian mainstream left wing parties. While of course there are extremes in both directions, they're all on the same page. It feels more centrist or right-wing because the U.S. doesn't already have these institutions in place like Europe does, so they've really just got a headstart. The Democratic Party and its members wouldn't hold Europe up as a shining example if that weren't the case.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:02 pm

Punished UMN wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:ancaps for the win!

I'm a socialist.

The fact of the matter is that the American Constitution is not able to conform to socialism and having our laws determined by a council of elders who interpret an arcane document written by the fathers of the people is a stupid basis for a system of governance.


It's almost like Socialism isn't worth two shits to begin with anyway, so failing to see the issue here with this.

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Postby Lower Nubia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:03 pm

Tarsonis wrote:So Murkowski has straight said she won't vote for a replacement until after the election. So that's 1 of 3 votes we need to deny Mitch.


We”? You’d actually agree with it not being appointed until January?
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Postby Lower Nubia » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:10 pm

Broader Confederate States wrote:
Savojarna wrote:
Who do you even mean by "the Dutch left-wing party"? Like, which of the about five? And on what grounds are the Dems to the left of that?

The biggest one, obviously.
Major-Tom wrote:
Okay, back it up.

Democratic Party policy (gun control, more government institutions, universal healthcare, and more immigration) are well within the bounds of European and Canadian mainstream left wing parties. While of course there are extremes in both directions, they're all on the same page. It feels more centrist or right-wing because the U.S. doesn't already have these institutions in place like Europe does, so they've really just got a headstart. The Democratic Party and its members wouldn't hold Europe up as a shining example if that weren't the case.
Here's some numbers for you to ogle at though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/com ... urce=share


Universal Healthcare? The Democratic Party doesn’t support Universal Healthcare. Gun control isn’t a left wing policy. It’s just a policy. None of the American government interventions are nearly as expansive as Europe.

The Democratic Party is social left, while economically centre right. Which is the UK Conservative Party.

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Postby Seangoli » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:So Murkowski has straight said she won't vote for a replacement until after the election. So that's 1 of 3 votes we need to deny Mitch.


4 votes. If Mitch loses 3 Pence breaks the tie and they still win.


The optics are already bad enough for the Republicans with this among more moderate voters; having the Vice President break a tie on this would be politically devastating along this group so close to the election.

Hell, Mitch has already done a hell of a lot of damage by not even giving the weekend before putting out a statement an hour after the news broke. At this point, they have written a great campaign ad for the Democrats.

The Republicans couldn't have had worse optics on this if they actively tried. Being such brazen hypocrites is not a good look, and a tie break would be utterly devastating on that front.

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Postby Luna Amore » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:19 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
4 votes. If Mitch loses 3 Pence breaks the tie and they still win.


The optics are already bad enough for the Republicans with this among more moderate voters; having the Vice President break a tie on this would be politically devastating along this group so close to the election.

Hell, Mitch has already done a hell of a lot of damage by not even giving the weekend before putting out a statement an hour after the news broke. At this point, they have written a great campaign ad for the Democrats.

The Republicans couldn't have had worse optics on this if they actively tried. Being such brazen hypocrites is not a good look, and a tie break would be utterly devastating on that front.

I think you're overestimating how much the average American will care about either. Pence breaking a tie is system working as designed. It'd be an odd thing to get upset over.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:52 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
4 votes. If Mitch loses 3 Pence breaks the tie and they still win.


The optics are already bad enough for the Republicans with this among more moderate voters; having the Vice President break a tie on this would be politically devastating along this group so close to the election.

Hell, Mitch has already done a hell of a lot of damage by not even giving the weekend before putting out a statement an hour after the news broke. At this point, they have written a great campaign ad for the Democrats.

The Republicans couldn't have had worse optics on this if they actively tried. Being such brazen hypocrites is not a good look, and a tie break would be utterly devastating on that front.

It would be nice to see Pence vote against the nominee but it would never happen sadly.

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Postby Aureumterra » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:54 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
4 votes. If Mitch loses 3 Pence breaks the tie and they still win.


The optics are already bad enough for the Republicans with this among more moderate voters; having the Vice President break a tie on this would be politically devastating along this group so close to the election.

Hell, Mitch has already done a hell of a lot of damage by not even giving the weekend before putting out a statement an hour after the news broke. At this point, they have written a great campaign ad for the Democrats.

The Republicans couldn't have had worse optics on this if they actively tried. Being such brazen hypocrites is not a good look, and a tie break would be utterly devastating on that front.

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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:27 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Actually speaking of Graham he appears to be backpedaling on his 2016 statements. This might very well be a done deal aleady.


I am shocked....shocked I say.

What obligation is that? The republicans showed we can operate with a blank seat for 2 years.


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