so I guess just bail on the concept of trying to hold the powerful and state institutions accountable, because they're mean or something?
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by The Emerald Legion » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:03 am
by Elwher » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:12 am
Greed and Death wrote:Cisairse wrote:Democrats should not add new justices to the court.
They should simply abolish all lower courts (which they are legally permitted to do, if they retake the Senate and presidency). If the SCOTUS matters so much to conservatives, they can handle the caseload.
You do know matters of federal law can be handled in state court right ? What you propose is a Republican's wet dream.
by Lanoraie II » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:39 am
by New Visayan Islands » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:59 am
Lanoraie II wrote:Imagine mourning the loss of someone who you don't know who most likely has done absolutely atrocious things in their lifetime.
Can't relate, sorry. Why should I care about some satanic slave, again?
by Salus Maior » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:11 am
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:12 am
by Greed and Death » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:18 am
Elwher wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
You do know matters of federal law can be handled in state court right ? What you propose is a Republican's wet dream.
Please elaborate. As a paralegal, I have always filed matters of Federal law in the Federal Circuit Courts and matters of State law in the State courts.
by Greed and Death » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:19 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Trump tried to pay respects to RBG and got booed and shouts of vote him out.
Granted the President does things like this for decorum and yet what was he thinking?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 ... nr-vpx.cnn
by Mathuvan Union » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:53 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Trump tried to pay respects to RBG and got booed and shouts of vote him out.
Granted the President does things like this for decorum and yet what was he thinking?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 ... nr-vpx.cnn
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:58 am
Greed and Death wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:Trump tried to pay respects to RBG and got booed and shouts of vote him out.
Granted the President does things like this for decorum and yet what was he thinking?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/202 ... nr-vpx.cnn
It will be billed that he was trying to be non partisan and got booed for his trouble. His base will eat this up on the grounds that there is no appeasing the left.
by Novus America » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:10 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Cisairse wrote:Democrats should not add new justices to the court.
They should simply abolish all lower courts (which they are legally permitted to do, if they retake the Senate and presidency). If the SCOTUS matters so much to conservatives, they can handle the caseload.
You do realize that such a huge caseload would necessarily mean investing a massive amount of power in the presidency, right?
by Novus America » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:13 pm
Cisairse wrote:Democrats should not add new justices to the court.
They should simply abolish all lower courts (which they are legally permitted to do, if they retake the Senate and presidency). If the SCOTUS matters so much to conservatives, they can handle the caseload.
by Greed and Death » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:22 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
It will be billed that he was trying to be non partisan and got booed for his trouble. His base will eat this up on the grounds that there is no appeasing the left.
Isn’t that preaching to the choir? Many of the people viewing that message are probably happy she is gone so they can put a tru ‘murkin *spits* in SCOTUS. Her body wasn’t even cold and my trumpest relatives were already saying who should fill the seat....oh and it’s shame she died.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:24 pm
Greed and Death wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Isn’t that preaching to the choir? Many of the people viewing that message are probably happy she is gone so they can put a tru ‘murkin *spits* in SCOTUS. Her body wasn’t even cold and my trumpest relatives were already saying who should fill the seat....oh and it’s shame she died.
Trump wins by going to his base and telling them he trolled the liberals. Anyways Trump is set to give a speech at her service. Leaked documents say he plans on saying she would have wanted the seat filled quickly.
by Novus America » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:25 pm
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:50 pm
by Picairn » Thu Sep 24, 2020 5:39 pm
Novus America wrote:How though? The Republicans control both the Presidency and Senate.
This is perfectly legal.
You might find it objectionable on other grounds. But this is not illegal nor an abuse of power.
The President picks someone, the Senate says yes or no.
There is not law saying judicial confirmations must cease at some arbitrary time around election season.
by Tarsonis » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:41 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Senkaku wrote:so I guess just bail on the concept of trying to hold the powerful and state institutions accountable, because they're mean or something?
The thing is, it's not illegal to do what the Republicans are trying to do.
You can say it's mean or disrespectful, but neither of those things are really binding.
by Salus Maior » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:43 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
The thing is, it's not illegal to do what the Republicans are trying to do.
You can say it's mean or disrespectful, but neither of those things are really binding.
There's a higher point though than necessary whats legal. People have forgotten, especially the politicians, that the process matters more than the outcome. It's the process that people put their faith in. Bad faith faith moves like this erode the public trust in the institution and we get the crap that's been going on for the last 10 years.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:45 pm
Tarsonis wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
The thing is, it's not illegal to do what the Republicans are trying to do.
You can say it's mean or disrespectful, but neither of those things are really binding.
There's a higher point though than necessary whats legal. People have forgotten, especially the politicians, that the process matters more than the outcome. It's the process that people put their faith in. Bad faith faith moves like this erode the public trust in the institution and we get the crap that's been going on for the last 10 years.
by Tarsonis » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:09 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
There's a higher point though than necessary whats legal. People have forgotten, especially the politicians, that the process matters more than the outcome. It's the process that people put their faith in. Bad faith faith moves like this erode the public trust in the institution and we get the crap that's been going on for the last 10 years.
That's true, but this is also nothing new.
Bad faith moves have been happening in the government since Adams and Jefferson.
by Greed and Death » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:14 pm
Picairn wrote:Novus America wrote:How though? The Republicans control both the Presidency and Senate.
This is perfectly legal.
You might find it objectionable on other grounds. But this is not illegal nor an abuse of power.
The President picks someone, the Senate says yes or no.
There is not law saying judicial confirmations must cease at some arbitrary time around election season.
Packing the court is also completely legal, as the Constitution says nothing on the number of justices.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:17 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Picairn wrote:Packing the court is also completely legal, as the Constitution says nothing on the number of justices.
It will also result in retaliation by Republicans. The Court in time will simply become a yet another political arm as which every party won the last election will pack the court to ensure at first a bare majority then they will seek a comfortable majority. One of your appointees go swing. Add four more seats and seek reconsideration next term.
Abortion rights will come and go in 8-12 year intervals as each side appoints in mass.
The end result of course will be a Republican win. Because they know how to play dirty and the Democrats are terrible at it. They will appoint a Supreme court super majority then institute all sorts of restrictions on voting designed to entrench them for decades.
by Organized States » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:17 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Tarsonis wrote:
There's a higher point though than necessary whats legal. People have forgotten, especially the politicians, that the process matters more than the outcome. It's the process that people put their faith in. Bad faith faith moves like this erode the public trust in the institution and we get the crap that's been going on for the last 10 years.
That's true, but this is also nothing new.
Bad faith moves have been happening in the government since Adams and Jefferson.
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