RIP Ruth Bader Ginsburg!

[No State Here]

Can’t say I feel any sympathy, she tried time and time again to undermine the constitution and the right to bear arms, which, as the founding fathers put it, is an inalienable right

[Seangoli]

I find this take amusing, given that in general the Anglosphere as a whole is fucked, the US just more so. If you really wanna find a stable, non-crazy political system have a look at Western Continental Europe.

Also, the development of this thread shall go into my mental folder of "examples why common law systems are useless and the US need to rewrite their constitution to resemble a modern country", but then most of you guys seem to actually like it.

I'm an Australian, and I mostly like their Constitution. A Bill of Rights was a great idea, though I don't want it here because of how long it takes courts to put flesh on those bones.

Two things I don't like: the wording of the Second Amendment. I cannot see how the first clause allowing a militia, and the second clause allowing the people to be armed, can be separated completely. I see it as "the people should be allowed their own guns, for the purpose of serving in a militia" which pretty strongly implies no guns for any other purpose. Maybe they assumed that no good law-abiding gun owner would refuse the call to arms from their State. If so, they should have said so.

And the amendment process. It's too difficult.

The interpretation of the second amendment saying "no guns for any other purposes" isn't wholly accurate, even based on your interpretation. Rather, this interpretation would mean "For the purposes of a militia, we will not restrict gun ownership", while leaving the question of fun ownership for other reasons ambiguous and in the concept of the Constitution, up to the states or Congress to further restrict.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Me just sitting in the comments with popcorn

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Wow. Who new this was going to turn into WWIII: Wrath of the Republicans

[Grinning Dragon]

Me just sitting in the comments with popcorn

I think it's going to get a bit hotter, now with trump just said that the senate should honor it's obligation to fill the supreme court seat vacancy immediately.
Might want to upgrade the popcorn to s'mores/hot dogs/brauts/steak, etc.

[Vistulange]

Can’t say I feel any sympathy, she tried time and time again to undermine the constitution and the right to bear arms, which, as the founding fathers put it, is an inalienable right

Not that I'm an American, but why do you put so much stock into what the Founding Fathers said, espoused, or did? Can the Second Amendment not stand on its own legs without the legacy of a several long-dead people buttressing it?

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Yep. I’ve got a buffet going on here. I do think that the Reps. Are hypocrites, but there’s not much we can do about it sadly (especially since I don’t live there).

[Geneviev]

Me just sitting in the comments with popcorn

I think it's going to get a bit hotter, now with trump just said that the senate should honor it's obligation to fill the supreme court seat vacancy immediately.
Might want to upgrade the popcorn to s'mores/hot dogs/brauts/steak, etc.

Trump said that? It would be good if they just respected her wishes.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Can’t say I feel any sympathy, she tried time and time again to undermine the constitution and the right to bear arms, which, as the founding fathers put it, is an inalienable right

Not that I'm an American, but why do you put so much stock into what the Founding Fathers said, espoused, or did? Can the Second Amendment not stand on its own legs without the legacy of a several long-dead people buttressing it?

Most of us like our freedoms, mind you. I agree with No State.

[Anatoliyanskiy]

Oh no. I’m going to leave before this turns into another ‘’is there a god’’ sort of thread.

[Vistulange]

Not that I'm an American, but why do you put so much stock into what the Founding Fathers said, espoused, or did? Can the Second Amendment not stand on its own legs without the legacy of a several long-dead people buttressing it?

Most of us like our freedoms, mind you. I agree with No State.

No, I get that. I might disagree with the Second Amendment, but I'm across the pond, so a lot of things about the US is odd to me, the Second Amendment being one of them. However, I don't get this idea that just because the founders of the country said or did something, it must be a good thing, and that it ought to be followed about two and a half centuries on because it was "what they intended". What they said or did might have solid foundations irrespective of them having said it, but I see this "it was what the Founding Fathers intended" non-argument all the bloody time. It makes no sense.

It's especially ironic in the context of a liberal democracy, because what dead people have intended really shouldn't matter in a liberal democracy. North Korea might be a different case, but the US is (for the time being) a liberal democracy.

[Grinning Dragon]

I think it's going to get a bit hotter, now with trump just said that the senate should honor it's obligation to fill the supreme court seat vacancy immediately.
Might want to upgrade the popcorn to s'mores/hot dogs/brauts/steak, etc.

Trump said that? It would be good if they just respected her wishes.

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
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We were put in this position of power and importance to make decisions for the people who so proudly elected us, the most important of which has long been considered to be the selection of United States Supreme Court Justices. We have this obligation, without delay!
9:10 AM · Sep 19, 2020

[-Astoria-]

You know, there's such thing as updates over time...

... Yes, but please don't outright contradict yourself. We're prone to fundamentalism over here.

...? I don't follow.

[-Astoria-]

Most of us like our freedoms, mind you. I agree with No State.

No, I get that. I might disagree with the Second Amendment, but I'm across the pond, so a lot of things about the US is odd to me, the Second Amendment being one of them. However, I don't get this idea that just because the founders of the country said or did something, it must be a good thing, and that it ought to be followed about two and a half centuries on because it was "what they intended". What they said or did might have solid foundations irrespective of them having said it, but I see this "it was what the Founding Fathers intended" non-argument all the bloody time. It makes no sense.

It's especially ironic in the context of a liberal democracy, because what dead people have intended really shouldn't matter in a liberal democracy. North Korea might be a different case, but the US is (for the time being) a liberal democracy.

This.

[Elwher]

I have no doubt that all of us who found the Senate's inaction of the Garland nomination to be a dereliction of their duty will insist that they do not repeat it in the current case, right?

Just like all those who felt that they did the right thing by allowing the nomination to be delayed until after the election will also be consistent in their views.

[Greed and Death]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg just died due to pancreatic cancer


https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/10030697 ... dies-at-87

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/18/poli ... index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN269395

After a discussion with some of my Jewish friends. RIP is generally a Christian (Catholic in particular) sentiment. I would like to humbly request you change the title to

may her memory be a blessing

, which is more appropriate for a Jewish woman.

[Grinning Dragon]

I have no doubt that all of us who found the Senate's inaction of the Garland nomination to be a dereliction of their duty will insist that they do not repeat it in the current case, right?

Just like all those who felt that they did the right thing by allowing the nomination to be delayed until after the election will also be consistent in their views.

Except it wasn't a dereliction of the senate duty, as the senate has the power to either consider a candidate or not. Now using the excuse that it's an election year is just chicken shit imo.
Granted a president is elected for 4 years and during that whole 4 years the president has the ability to nominate who that person wishes to put up for consideration, election year or not.

[CoraSpia]

Any news on potential likely Trump nominees?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Any news on potential likely Trump nominees?

Amy Comey Barrett is the safe bet.

[Savojarna]

I find this take amusing, given that in general the Anglosphere as a whole is fucked, the US just more so. If you really wanna find a stable, non-crazy political system have a look at Western Continental Europe.

Also, the development of this thread shall go into my mental folder of "examples why common law systems are useless and the US need to rewrite their constitution to resemble a modern country", but then most of you guys seem to actually like it.

I'm an Australian, and I mostly like their Constitution. A Bill of Rights was a great idea, though I don't want it here because of how long it takes courts to put flesh on those bones.

Two things I don't like: the wording of the Second Amendment. I cannot see how the first clause allowing a militia, and the second clause allowing the people to be armed, can be separated completely. I see it as "the people should be allowed their own guns, for the purpose of serving in a militia" which pretty strongly implies no guns for any other purpose. Maybe they assumed that no good law-abiding gun owner would refuse the call to arms from their State. If so, they should have said so.

And the amendment process. It's too difficult.

I largely agree with the Bill of Rights part, at least the part I know. The part of the US constitution I dislike is the part where it talks about the political system, i.e. the constitution proper, not (most of) the amendments.

[CoraSpia]

Any news on potential likely Trump nominees?

Amy Comey Barrett is the safe bet.

Is she any good?

[Grinning Dragon]

Just seen an that thar talking box with dem moving pictures; top contenders that trump may put forth for consideration are all judges:
Barbara Lagoa
Amy Barrett
Allison Jones Rushing

[Washington Resistance Army]

Amy Comey Barrett is the safe bet.

Is she any good?

That depends on your views really.

[-Astoria-]

Amy Comey Barrett is the safe bet.

Is she any good?

Kanter v. Barr, 919 F.3d 437 (7th Cir. 2019). Barrett wrote a lengthy dissent in favor of gun-ownership rights for felons.

Several years after her confirmation, Judge Barrett voted to clear the way for the first federal execution in 17 years.

I'm gonna politely say no on that one.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Is she any good?

Kanter v. Barr, 919 F.3d 437 (7th Cir. 2019). Barrett wrote a lengthy dissent in favor of gun-ownership rights for felons.

Several years after her confirmation, Judge Barrett voted to clear the way for the first federal execution in 17 years.

I'm gonna politely say no on that one.

Both of those are good tho