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Postby Tranzoria » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
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I mean it is actually not that new, and the Tea Party was more libertarian, while Trump took the Republicans back to their protectionist roots. Given the Republican Party was protectionist for over a century, that is not new.
Heck even Reagan, despite his rhetoric was more protectionist than Carter or Clinton.

Tbh, everyone who's looked at American history from outside the US knows that the US has almost always been a protectionist country.

In the beginning, yes....now? Sorta.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:05 pm

Liriena wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I mean it is actually not that new, and the Tea Party was more libertarian, while Trump took the Republicans back to their protectionist roots. Given the Republican Party was protectionist for over a century, that is not new.
Heck even Reagan, despite his rhetoric was more protectionist than Carter or Clinton.

Tbh, everyone who's looked at American history from outside the US knows that the US has almost always been a protectionist country.


Well then the know more about us than many here, some here seem to think history started in the 90s.
Really the neoliberal free trade stuff really started with LBJ, although it really did not get going until Clinton.
Nixon and Reagan still has protectionist leanings, despite rhetoric sometime indicating otherwise.

The neoliberal free traders tried to claim Trumos protectionism was a betrayal of longstanding Republican and American principles, when nothing could be further from the truth, (the US economic system and Republican Party both protectionist for most their existence) but anyways, getting off topic.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:05 pm

Empirical Switzerland wrote:
Sundiata wrote:President Obama is certainly qualified to be on the Supreme Court.

Hell no.


Oh? What makes him unqualified?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:06 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
CNN talked about that, She didn't retire because she thought a Clinton presidency was assured.

What a dumb move


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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:06 pm

Tranzoria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Tbh, everyone who's looked at American history from outside the US knows that the US has almost always been a protectionist country.

In the beginning, yes....now? Sorta.


From the beginning until at least the late 1960s, and really the 90s.
Although that is kind of far afield of the topic.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Sundiata » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:07 pm

Novus America wrote:
Liriena wrote:Tbh, everyone who's looked at American history from outside the US knows that the US has almost always been a protectionist country.


Well then the know more about us than many here, some here seem to think history started in the 90s.
Really the neoliberal free trade stuff really started with LBJ, although it really did not get going until Clinton.
Nixon and Reagan still has protectionist leanings, despite rhetoric sometime indicating otherwise.

The neoliberal free traders tried to claim Trumos protectionism was a betrayal of longstanding Republican and American principles, when nothing could be further from the truth, but anyways, getting off topic.

I happen to agree with those "neoliberal free-traders" with respect to this but I digress.
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:11 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Empirical Switzerland wrote:Hell no.


Oh? What makes him unqualified?

He's overqualified. Again...

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Tranzoria wrote:That is possible to to his experience (Short-lived) with Law.

Long-lived. He was a state and federal legislator. He headed the executive branch. Now it's time to head the judiciary.
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Postby Kustonia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:11 pm

The Wicked Witch is finally dead.
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Postby Tranzoria » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:12 pm

Kustonia wrote:The Wicked Witch is finally dead.

Why do you say that?
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:13 pm

Kustonia wrote:The Wicked Witch is finally dead.

If you don't have anything nice to say it's better to say nothing at all. :)
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:14 pm

While I strongly disagreed with her leftist views, I have never wished RBG death or ill, she was a tough as nails lady, highly qualified as a US Supreme Court Justice.

I hope Republican President Trump names and confirms a strong conservative US Supreme Court Justice as soon as possible, before the elections loose or win the election. Like Judge Amy Coney Barrett or stronger. President Trump was correct when he said, there are leftist judges, what he did not say is, there are also right wing judges, like RBG on the left and Brett Kavanaugh on the right, but they also sided or side with the other side from time to time.
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Postby Picairn » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:16 pm

Tranzoria wrote:Why do you say that?

Psst... There is a forum where you can report his post. I think this qualifies under Political Nicknaming.
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Postby Woford » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:17 pm

Hearing both nominees reaction, I can say I like both. However I would say I prefer Trump's slightly more, because it was not prepared making it seemed more geniune. I'm gonna still wait for some 3rd party options I am considering however.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:17 pm

Kustonia wrote:The Wicked Witch is finally dead.


Your edge bending will not work here.
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Postby Tranzoria » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:18 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:While I strongly disagreed with her leftist views, I have never wished RBG death or ill, she was a tough as nails lady, highly qualified as a US Supreme Court Justice.

I hope Republican President Trump names and confirms a strong conservative US Supreme Court Justice as soon as possible, before the elections loose or win the election. Like Judge Amy Coney Barrett or stronger. President Trump was correct when he said, there are leftist judges, what he did not say is, there are also right wing judges, like RBG on the left and Brett Kavanaugh on the right, but they also sided or side with the other side from time to time.

Even though I don't agree with your views, I thank you for being kind about this incident unlike the last two.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:20 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kustonia wrote:The Wicked Witch is finally dead.

If you don't have anything nice to say it's better to say nothing at all. :)

That's simp talk. Your just mad because your girl is dead and got a big L in the process.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:21 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Kustonia wrote:The Wicked Witch is finally dead.

If you don't have anything nice to say it's better to say nothing at all. :)

Exactly.
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Postby Tranzoria » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:22 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Sundiata wrote:If you don't have anything nice to say it's better to say nothing at all. :)

That's simp talk. Your just mad because your girl is dead and got a big L in the process.

No, that's respect. It's honoring the Woman who held on to the rights we owned and now she is gone.
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Postby Picairn » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:22 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:That's simp talk. Your just mad because your girl is dead and got a big L in the process.

... The hell? Since when is basic decency "simp talk"?
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:23 pm

Tranzoria wrote:
Kazarogkai wrote:That's simp talk. Your just mad because your girl is dead and got a big L in the process.

No, that's respect. It's honoring the Woman who held on to the rights we owned and now she is gone.

A great woman, for that matter. One who deserves all of the respect we give her.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:23 pm

Tranzoria wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:While I strongly disagreed with her leftist views, I have never wished RBG death or ill, she was a tough as nails lady, highly qualified as a US Supreme Court Justice.

I hope Republican President Trump names and confirms a strong conservative US Supreme Court Justice as soon as possible, before the elections loose or win the election. Like Judge Amy Coney Barrett or stronger. President Trump was correct when he said, there are leftist judges, what he did not say is, there are also right wing judges, like RBG on the left and Brett Kavanaugh on the right, but they also sided or side with the other side from time to time.

Even though I don't agree with your views, I thank you for being kind about this incident unlike the last two.

Thank you.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:27 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Sundiata wrote:If you don't have anything nice to say it's better to say nothing at all. :)

That's simp talk. Your just mad because your girl is dead and got a big L in the process.


Gloating over death is generally not very civil.
We can still be civil. Basic civility is not a bad thing (even if I do not always do it, I try, at least sometimes).
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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:36 pm

Tranzoria wrote:That's simp talk. Your just mad because your girl is dead and got a big L in the process.

No, that's respect. It's honoring the Woman who held on to the rights we owned and now she is gone.[/quote]

Only the weak and the pathetic respect their enemies and wish not for their eventual downfall. When you enemy is no longer capable of facing you no matter the circumstance that is a victory and should be treated accordingly. If Stalin were to have died in Moscow would Hitler have lamented? would he have cried? Would he feel in anyway sympathetic? No, Like a proper Great Man he would have pissed on his grave(Figuratively or literally) savoring what he had achieved against his enemy and move on quietly to the next. Vice versa would have held true for the opposite.

Great men seek to destroy the legacies of their enemies, not uphold let alone "respect" them in any measurable way.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:37 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Tranzoria wrote:That's simp talk. Your just mad because your girl is dead and got a big L in the process.

No, that's respect. It's honoring the Woman who held on to the rights we owned and now she is gone.


Only the weak and the pathetic respect their enemies and wish not for their eventual downfall. When you enemy is no longer capable of facing you no matter the circumstance that is a victory and should be treated accordingly. If Stalin were to have died in Moscow would Hitler have lamented? would he have cried? Would he feel in anyway sympathetic? No, Like a proper Great Man he would have pissed on his grave(Figuratively or literally) savoring what he had achieved against his enemy and move on quietly to the next. Vice versa would have held true for the opposite.

Great men seek to destroy the legacies of their enemies, not uphold let alone "respect" them in any measurable way.[/quote]

*yawns* Boring!
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Postby Sundiata » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:38 pm

Kazarogkai wrote:
Sundiata wrote:If you don't have anything nice to say it's better to say nothing at all. :)

That's simp talk. Your just mad because your girl is dead and got a big L in the process.
I'm not angry that she died but more-so grateful that she lived. Also, appreciating women for their achievements is a good thing.
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