"Survey finds lack of holocaust knowledge in american young"

[Stellar Colonies]

I didn't take any history classes in high school, only college (and those classes were more focused on the nineteenth century), so I'm not sure how extensively my high school covered the Holocaust. I do remember an all-school assembly about the Armenian Genocide, which included the descendant of a survivor, and that presentation had a short bit about the Holocaust tacked onto the end of it.

I do find it hard to believe a significant number of people have never heard of it at all, considering how much it comes up.

[VlaRiSsiA]

The US school system is messed up from the start. But what is really sad is that the vast majority of Americans who do know about the holocaust only know about a vastly downplayed version of the atrocities. If you were to go to the streets and ask Americans how many people the Nazis killed, the majority would say 6 million, which is far lower than the actual number. No one ever remembers the 18 million soviet civilians who were killed in the Nazi invasion. Hitler is responsible for easily over 30 million deaths, but schools want to make the soviets look worse by not counting the ‘commies’ killed by the Nazis. Stalin was ruthless and killed millions, but don’t blame generalplan olst on him. Thank you Cold War, not only have you had America commit genocidal atrocities which it’s schools still deny(very few schools with talk about the Indonesian genocide or Operation condor since they were done by the so called ‘good guys’), but also made the American system sympathetic to one of history’s worst regimes. The fact that a lot of Americans don’t know about the holocaust only shows how anti-communist sentiment in the school system has reached a new low of downplaying genocidal regimes who happened to share the US’ hatred of leftism.

[Xmara]

Not to mention disabled people as well. Some people confuse me sometimes.

Said man also said "Jews are people of the book because we like to read books." I'm sure the Muslims in my class felt pain and dropped to their knees when he made that statement.

What? What is that supposed to even mean?

[Atheris]

Only 44% of Americans know about Auschwitz-Birkenau? Only 49% have seen Nazi symbols online? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

This whole thing seems a bit sketchy to me.

[Insaanistan]

Not to mention disabled people as well. Some people confuse me sometimes.

Said man also said "Jews are people of the book because we like to read books." I'm sure the Muslims in my class felt pain and dropped to their knees when he made that statement.

What now?

[Broader Confederate States]

Only 44% of Americans know about Auschwitz-Birkenau? Only 49% have seen Nazi symbols online? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

This whole thing seems a bit sketchy to me.

I'm with you on that one.

[New haven america]

Only 44% of Americans know about Auschwitz-Birkenau? Only 49% have seen Nazi symbols online? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

This whole thing seems a bit sketchy to me.

Nah, seems perfectly normal.

A lot of my classmates couldn't even find Germany on a map.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

The US school system is messed up from the start. But what is really sad is that the vast majority of Americans who do know about the holocaust only know about a vastly downplayed version of the atrocities. If you were to go to the streets and ask Americans how many people the Nazis killed, the majority would say 6 million, which is far lower than the actual number. No one ever remembers the 18 million soviet civilians who were killed in the Nazi invasion. Hitler is responsible for easily over 30 million deaths, but schools want to make the soviets look worse by not counting the ‘commies’ killed by the Nazis. Stalin was ruthless and killed millions, but don’t blame generalplan olst on him. Thank you Cold War, not only have you had America commit genocidal atrocities which it’s schools still deny(very few schools with talk about the Indonesian genocide or Operation condor since they were done by the so called ‘good guys’), but also made the American system sympathetic to one of history’s worst regimes. The fact that a lot of Americans don’t know about the holocaust only shows how anti-communist sentiment in the school system has reached a new low of downplaying genocidal regimes who happened to share the US’ hatred of leftism.

Problem is, Soviet soldier deaths shouldn't fall under the label of "Holocaust" since, unlike the Holocaust, those deaths happened entirely because they were enemy soldiers. The Holocaust was deliberate in it's killing, but war is indiscriminate.

Although I do agree that 6 million is too low, since millions more were murdered in the gas chambers or worked to death in nazi concentration camps. The final death count should actually be at around 12 million, if not more.

That's higher than even Stalin, who (combining all of his purges, mass starvations, massacres, etc.) killed 9-11 million, depending on what exactly is defined as a Stalin death (and that, of course, excludes WWII for obvious reasons)

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Only 44% of Americans know about Auschwitz-Birkenau? Only 49% have seen Nazi symbols online? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

This whole thing seems a bit sketchy to me.

I still can't exactly believe it either. I'm not entirely convinced of this, especially given the stereotype that Americans are stupid, meaning it could be biased against Americans by downplaying their knowledge.

[Rusozak]

Only 44% of Americans know about Auschwitz-Birkenau? Only 49% have seen Nazi symbols online? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

This whole thing seems a bit sketchy to me.

I still can't exactly believe it either. I'm not entirely convinced of this, especially given the stereotype that Americans are stupid, meaning it could be biased against Americans by downplaying their knowledge.

I'm sure most people know the names and the symbols, but knowing the history behind them is another story. I think a better question to poll people on is "What happened at Auschwitz-Birkenau?"

[VlaRiSsiA]

The US school system is messed up from the start. But what is really sad is that the vast majority of Americans who do know about the holocaust only know about a vastly downplayed version of the atrocities. If you were to go to the streets and ask Americans how many people the Nazis killed, the majority would say 6 million, which is far lower than the actual number. No one ever remembers the 18 million soviet civilians who were killed in the Nazi invasion. Hitler is responsible for easily over 30 million deaths, but schools want to make the soviets look worse by not counting the ‘commies’ killed by the Nazis. Stalin was ruthless and killed millions, but don’t blame generalplan olst on him. Thank you Cold War, not only have you had America commit genocidal atrocities which it’s schools still deny(very few schools with talk about the Indonesian genocide or Operation condor since they were done by the so called ‘good guys’), but also made the American system sympathetic to one of history’s worst regimes. The fact that a lot of Americans don’t know about the holocaust only shows how anti-communist sentiment in the school system has reached a new low of downplaying genocidal regimes who happened to share the US’ hatred of leftism.

Problem is, Soviet soldier deaths shouldn't fall under the label of "Holocaust" since, unlike the Holocaust, those deaths happened entirely because they were enemy soldiers. The Holocaust was deliberate in it's killing, but war is indiscriminate.

Although I do agree that 6 million is too low, since millions more were murdered in the gas chambers or worked to death in nazi concentration camps. The final death count should actually be at around 12 million, if not more.

That's higher than even Stalin, who (combining all of his purges, mass starvations, massacres, etc.) killed 9-11 million, depending on what exactly is defined as a Stalin death (and that, of course, excludes WWII for obvious reasons)

I’m not saying the Soviet deaths should be listed as under the holocaust, no they are under the Generalplan Ost, which was just as horrific. I’m mainly referring the 18 million soviet civilians who are estimated to have been killed by the Nazis. The siege of Leningrad alone saw 1 million Soviet civilians deliberately starved to death under hitler’s orders to eradicate the city. Another 3.5 million soviet POWs were starved to death in concentration camps. The holocaust brought new levels of evil to europe, however it wasn’t hitler’s only atrocity. It can be argued that his ultimate goal was not only to wipe out ‘ethnic undesirables’ from Europe but also kill half of Eastern European Slavs and enslave the rest. The so called Generaplan Ost was arguably his ultimate ideological motive, which was why he made the rather unwise move of attempting to invade the soviets. What I believe is that the education system should teach about Generalplan Ost alongside the Holocaust as genocidal atrocities done by the Nazi Regime. I also agree that while Stalin was ruthless, Hitler outdid him in terrorizing Eastern Europe.

[The Romanian Confederacy]

Only 44% of Americans know about Auschwitz-Birkenau? Only 49% have seen Nazi symbols online? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

This whole thing seems a bit sketchy to me.

This makes me think someone who gets their "news"(which is just false rumors from people who think the protocols of the elders of zion and mein kampf were the best books ever written)/"MuRiCa BaD 1!1!1!1!" Rants from 9gag of all fucking places made this study.

It reeks of American Stereotyping.

[Leninist Haven]

The US school system is messed up from the start. But what is really sad is that the vast majority of Americans who do know about the holocaust only know about a vastly downplayed version of the atrocities. If you were to go to the streets and ask Americans how many people the Nazis killed, the majority would say 6 million, which is far lower than the actual number. No one ever remembers the 18 million soviet civilians who were killed in the Nazi invasion. Hitler is responsible for easily over 30 million deaths, but schools want to make the soviets look worse by not counting the ‘commies’ killed by the Nazis. Stalin was ruthless and killed millions, but don’t blame generalplan olst on him. Thank you Cold War, not only have you had America commit genocidal atrocities which it’s schools still deny(very few schools with talk about the Indonesian genocide or Operation condor since they were done by the so called ‘good guys’), but also made the American system sympathetic to one of history’s worst regimes. The fact that a lot of Americans don’t know about the holocaust only shows how anti-communist sentiment in the school system has reached a new low of downplaying genocidal regimes who happened to share the US’ hatred of leftism.

Problem is, Soviet soldier deaths shouldn't fall under the label of "Holocaust" since, unlike the Holocaust, those deaths happened entirely because they were enemy soldiers. The Holocaust was deliberate in it's killing, but war is indiscriminate.

Although I do agree that 6 million is too low, since millions more were murdered in the gas chambers or worked to death in nazi concentration camps. The final death count should actually be at around 12 million, if not more.

That's higher than even Stalin, who (combining all of his purges, mass starvations, massacres, etc.) killed 9-11 million, depending on what exactly is defined as a Stalin death (and that, of course, excludes WWII for obvious reasons)

A large number of Soviet civilians and POWs (the latter being more relevant to what you said than the former) were annihilated based on racial reasons. The comparison of how the Nazis treated American/British POWs vs. Soviet POWs is not even remotely close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mi ... ers_of_war

The very first sentence says it all, quite frankly, though the rest gives a lot more detail. The Nazi treatment of Soviet civilians was equally as monstrous, as it too was an effort to "eradicate Slavs from the face of the earth." It was racial extermination, by all means.

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Problem is, Soviet soldier deaths shouldn't fall under the label of "Holocaust" since, unlike the Holocaust, those deaths happened entirely because they were enemy soldiers. The Holocaust was deliberate in it's killing, but war is indiscriminate.

Although I do agree that 6 million is too low, since millions more were murdered in the gas chambers or worked to death in nazi concentration camps. The final death count should actually be at around 12 million, if not more.

That's higher than even Stalin, who (combining all of his purges, mass starvations, massacres, etc.) killed 9-11 million, depending on what exactly is defined as a Stalin death (and that, of course, excludes WWII for obvious reasons)

A large number of Soviet civilians and POWs (the latter being more relevant to what you said than the former) were annihilated based on racial reasons. The comparison of how the Nazis treated American/British POWs vs. Soviet POWs is not even remotely close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_mi ... ers_of_war

The very first sentence says it all, quite frankly, though the rest gives a lot more detail. The Nazi treatment of Soviet civilians was equally as monstrous, as it too was an effort to "eradicate Slavs from the face of the earth." It was racial extermination, by all means.

I'm not denying that the Nazis tried to exterminate the Slavic people. What I am denying is that Soviet soldiers (not POWs) should be counted as Holocaust deaths.

Edit: Ok, I realize that the 12 million number doesn't take the 5 million Soviet civilian deaths into account. Adding those deaths means that the true number of Holocaust deaths is 17 million, a full 6-8 million deaths more than Joseph Stalin.

[Purpelia]

Of course you do have to question if the survival habits and lifestyle traditionally associated with them are what they did for all those years. There is some evidence to suggest that native americans did have a more settled and agricultural civilization before European plagues hit. So there is that.

That's fair. Diseases spread by trade or exploration, should probably be counted out. Only missing "moral crimes" because nobody really understood disease that well. But once White Europeans started setting up trading posts, they were appropriating land, and though I'm sure they were happy to get something for nothing they must have known that by European standards they were committing a crime.

In a "felony murder" sense ... any deaths of innocent parties during commission of a felony ... all the Native American deaths (besides in wars between tribes) after permanent settlement should go on the white man's ledger. Caused by invasion.

I am not sure that felony genocide really makes sense as a crime.

[Punished UMN]

I didn't take any history classes in high school, only college (and those classes were more focused on the nineteenth century), so I'm not sure how extensively my high school covered the Holocaust. I do remember an all-school assembly about the Armenian Genocide, which included the descendant of a survivor, and that presentation had a short bit about the Holocaust tacked onto the end of it.

I do find it hard to believe a significant number of people have never heard of it at all, considering how much it comes up.

How is that even possible?

[Katganistan]

Only 44% of Americans know about Auschwitz-Birkenau? Only 49% have seen Nazi symbols online? Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one.

This whole thing seems a bit sketchy to me.

Nah, seems perfectly normal.

A lot of my classmates couldn't even find Germany on a map.

Let's face it -- besides California, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii and the coasts (and Gulf of Mexico) most people couldn't identify the states in the center of the country on a blank map showing their borders if their lives depended on it.

[Ethel mermania]

Nah, seems perfectly normal.

A lot of my classmates couldn't even find Germany on a map.

Let's face it -- besides California, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii and the coasts (and Gulf of Mexico) most people couldn't identify the states in the center of the country on a blank map showing their borders if their lives depended on it.

I have seen something along these lines for a long time used to slam American kids and schools, i wonder how true this is in other countries, or is this just an American phenomenon?

[New haven america]

Let's face it -- besides California, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii and the coasts (and Gulf of Mexico) most people couldn't identify the states in the center of the country on a blank map showing their borders if their lives depended on it.

I have seen something along these lines for a long time used to slam American kids and schools, i wonder how true this is in other countries, or is this just an American phenomenon?

Most people in the world aren't good at world geography, but they are good at local geography because The Old World has way more countries than The New World does.

So yeah, ask a European where say... Ireland, Norway, or The Czech Republic are on a map, they'll find that no problem, but ask them were Tajikistan, Bhutan, or Guinea-Bissau? Eh, good luck with that.

[Saiwania]

Still I never got why the white nats hate Jews so much.

There are many reasons for why people are antisemitic in that people use more than one reason. I'm inclined to believe that the Jews aren't entirely blameless if they're unpopular globally speaking. More can be done on their part to lessen the prevalence of antisemitism. It is my belief that it just doesn't happen that a people can go from country to country and region to region and consistently get hated on for no reason at all. There is probably a cause of some sort at play. I have to stress though that this is just conjecture, but I think perhaps the Jews' claim to being a "chosen people" can rub many people the wrong way, likewise if there is an insistence at remaining too separate from the surrounding community they're in.

The Roma for example, are unpopular in Eastern Europe because their nomadic lifestyles often don't respect property rights and causes other social problems that wouldn't otherwise be present.

As for why White Nationalists hate Jews broadly speaking, I suspect it is primarily because Jews are more likely to back their political opponents and policies that White Nationalists hate. It is perceived as too Liberal, too multiculturalist, or anti-White in alignment by them. In much the same way that many Jews in Wiemar era Germany backed the Communists or Socialists in the aftermath of WW1. The Nazis didn't forget Rosa Luxemburg and made similar such people into a target once in power.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

Divorcing 14 from 88 is ludicrous, it likely can't or shouldn't be done in my view because the neo-Nazis are more of an asset than a liability.

On what planet? The actual Nazis were a liability to man. I cannot, in any thought pattern, for any reason, conceive anything good from Hitler. His environmentalism and animal cruelty stuff was too ironic, like an abortionist saying it's wrong to execute a pedophile.

WWII was one of the only wars in history to have one side be absolutely black. The Nazis had no good traits beyond cool aesthetics, which is common for villains anyway.

White Nationalist ideas, when untainted by Hitler's poison, have some very, very good ideas that can even be attained peacibly. With Hitler involved, all ideas become evil because they all suddenly desire to deal with the non-whites in their ethno-state... I need not go further than that.

In short, Hitler is evil, Nazism is objectively bad, and no Nazi should EVER be at a table of civilized men.

Most of the White Nationalists that exist, want to bring about a regime that is partially modeled after what the Third Reich accomplished, without necessarily repeating any mistakes or bad points about it. If there are scandals, it'll more likely be for different reasons and not look alike.

That is why White Nationalism is tained and lumped with the Satanic abominations of Hitler.

I consider the Fourteen Words a just creed for an individual culture and heritage, and something that can be said by any race. Something as noble as the Fourteen Words will never be accepted as long as the people calling for it also deny the reality that is the Holocaust while, for some reason, supporting it in totality anyway.

The Fourteen, paired with the Eighty-Eight, denies other races the Fourteen Words applying to them, as Nazis are aggressors and actively murder innocents. White Nationalism was ruined by Hitler, but like an abused spouse brainwashed into thinking her husband "loves her", they keep coming back to the trough and feeding on the Kool-Aid.

Neo-Nazism is constantly an argument against itself and its idea of a "master race" is countered wholly by the trogdlyite-like men that swear allegiance to it.

No one should want to emulate the dumpster fire that was the Third Reich. Hitler ruined fascism, he ruined Germany, he ruined Europe, he ruined the future of the white race, and his economic miracle WAS NOT REAL.

Hitler did NOTHING beneficial to ANY aspect of society and is singlehandedly (or primarily) responsible for White Guilt, self-hatred among whites, and the dstruction of European culture and the displacement of native Europeans in general. All the bleeding heart self-flaggelating by the white race started when Hitler revealed the worst possible aspects of mankind. Japan did the same, but there is no Japanese Guilt.

Having the neo-Nazis in charge of a White nationalist group is certainly a better alternative in my mind than to have the neo-Confederates in control.

Which ones? The Lost Cause academics? The States' Rights Democrats? Or the segregationists and Nazi posers that are likely not Southern to begin with? Based on your shilling for Neo-Naizs, I think I know which one you don't like!

Many CSA sympathizers- myself included -don't shill for Dixie because we once oppressed blacks. I believe firmly in the Lost Cause and the evidence that the CSA would abolish slavery due to the Industrial Revolution and capitalism! While slavery was absolutely a factor in the Civil War and a real catylist to it starting, I reject the dumbed-down propaganda that has replaced honest depictions of both sides since the early seventies.

Perhaps the greatest tragedy of my own heritage is that people associate it with those whose understanding of the Old South does not go beyond having fun whipping the backs of an innocent man. They won't say a thing about states' rights, or the Abomination Tariffs, or being the main source of tax revenue for the North, or subsidizing Yankee industry.

They have no allegiance to the Southland nor any real pride or understanding of the etiquette and heritage of the Southeastern USA. They just want to oppress blacks. They don't care what flag they run up their pole as long as they can hurt innocent people for the crime of not looking like them.

Racism is not a good thing, dude.

Neo-Nazism, like it or not is more modern whilst still being retrograde enough as to be attractive to certain people.[/quiote]

Nazism should not be attractive. It should be fought at every turn. There should be no relenting, no pause in fighting National Socialism. All of mankind must do everything they can to fight it with truth.

There are Neo-Reactionaries and classical reactionaries, plus monarchists, and LEGITIMATE FASCISTS to choose from if you want modern-plus-reactionary. Teh absolute monarchies in Arabia are some of the most high-tech, wealthy places on the earth. Your average native there is living the good life. Why not call for that?

Fascism is irrevocably tainted by Hitler and his ilk and Mussolini's willingness to destroy what could have been a civic nationalist movement to keep out a premature Italian Social Republic.

There have been no attempts to break the two back apart because most people that think fascism could work want to use it as an excuse to kill "THE OTHERS". Most Marxists actually believe in the tenents of Marxism and think it will really do good for man. Nazis are more honest: they just want to establish a world without people they don't like.

Any true Fascist believers are silenced because of the guilt by association of Neo-Nazi degeneracy. No one can even define fascism anymore, because the Nazis are its sole advocate.

That Hitler's Germany turned out as bad as it did, can be excused by the circumstances of the time. We have to keep in mind that the world's population back then was far more White than it is now. So there was more room for certain Whites to think that other White ethnicities weren't really White.

Hitler considerd Slavs equal to Jews. More Slavs were gassed than any other race combined (Jews included), and the Christian (mostly white) body count and persecution was similarly high through the Kurchenkampf.

I assume you mean that now that the European whites are being invaded by people that hold savage beliefs and criminal mentalities, that all the whites will join together and murder the blanket demographic instead?

Are you reading what you are saying? Are you a Neo-Nazi?

Hence, mistakes were made. Hitler was misguided but still accomplished many great things for Germany before his fall from grace.

Hitler did nothing for Germany but destroy it, and white pride in general alongside it. Nothing, NOTHING came out of Nazis that was good, not even his often touted "at least he turned the economy around".

I am usually okay with conquest, but any historian worth their salt will tell you how Hitler's "economic miracle" was nothing but a pyramid scheme built on cannibalizing the entire civil economy and natural resources of each bit of clay. That's why they had to conquer so much and so fast

Even if Hitler had accomplished every goal he wanted, the Third Reich would have collapsed before 1970 AD. It was that incompetent.

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TLDR: Hitler is evil. Hitler must never be allowed to gain a foothold. As long as the Fourteen sucks up to the Eighty-Eight, they must be denied all access to civilized men and their world.

Death to National Socialism. We must never forget.

[Stellar Colonies]

I didn't take any history classes in high school, only college (and those classes were more focused on the nineteenth century), so I'm not sure how extensively my high school covered the Holocaust. I do remember an all-school assembly about the Armenian Genocide, which included the descendant of a survivor, and that presentation had a short bit about the Holocaust tacked onto the end of it.

I do find it hard to believe a significant number of people have never heard of it at all, considering how much it comes up.

How is that even possible?

I dual-enrolled in high school and college for several years. Many of the classes which I used to fulfill graduation requirements for the high school were taken at the college.

[Xmara]

Most of the White Nationalists that exist, want to bring about a regime that is partially modeled after what the Third Reich accomplished, without necessarily repeating any mistakes or bad points about it.

The Third Reich itself was a mistake. The only way to avoid repeating any of the mistakes they made is not to repeat it at all.

That Hitler's Germany turned out as bad as it did, can be excused by the circumstances of the time.

Like the fact that it was Hitler's Germany?

We have to keep in mind that the world's population back then was far more White than it is now. So there was more room for certain Whites to think that other White ethnicities weren't really White. Hence, mistakes were made. Hitler was misguided but still accomplished many great things for Germany before his fall from grace.

So the mistake they made was in who they considered "white?" Not that millions of people were stripped of their rights for being born the "wrong" ethnicity? Not that millions of people were locked up in concentration camps, where they endured horrendous conditions? Not that millions of people were sent to the gas chambers?

[Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire]

Nah, seems perfectly normal.

A lot of my classmates couldn't even find Germany on a map.

Let's face it -- besides California, Texas, Alaska, Hawaii and the coasts (and Gulf of Mexico) most people couldn't identify the states in the center of the country on a blank map showing their borders if their lives depended on it.

Not unless your a boring all-purpose nerd like myself.

[Saiwania]

So the mistake they made was in who they considered "white?" Not that millions of people were stripped of their rights for being born the "wrong" ethnicity? Not that millions of people were locked up in concentration camps, where they endured horrendous conditions? Not that millions of people were sent to the gas chambers?

If there wasn't an obsession with Social Darwinism and Eugenics back then, Nazi Germany would've been more like China currently is at worst. Which is that they'd go after their political opponents and want to micromanage their country but would otherwise not be outrageous by the standards of the day for authoritarian regimes.

We have to remember that Nazi ideology was firmly rooted in the 19th century and combined the latest 20th century methods to try to implement the leading ideas about race and Eugenics. Germany was partially inspired by what the US was doing back then in the Jim Crow South and other parts of the country in regards to who could be sterilized or have their civil rights limited.