"Survey finds lack of holocaust knowledge in american young"

[Kowani]

I don’t think any actual Nazi says free speech is good

For the record I don’t want holocaust denial to be illegal, but everyone should condemn it

That’s why you make it financially and culturally impossible to be a Holocaust denier

Cancel culture?

[Insaanistan]

What tangible benefit does the upholding of "human rights" halfway across the world bring to the average person in unaffected countries? Of course people place more value on access to consumer goods, it's in their immediate interest.

>Pragmatism is my ideology.
Curious, that.

That is more in regards to the US left right ideological divide, especially on things like healthcare.

Pragmatism is being pragmatic to achieve the outcome you want, not having no morals.

Also human rights are more pragmatic than many realize. Because a world that does not respect human rights, will not respect yours...

“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

Martin Niemöller

Fighting the Nazis was a pragmatic thing. And also the right thing. Because it successfully achieved the right outcome.
Pragmatism is not sociopathy.

I remember reading this poem and promising myself that even if I forgot the words, I would never forget the poem itself.

[Thermodolia]

That’s why you make it financially and culturally impossible to be a Holocaust denier

Cancel culture?

Not that but more along the line of charging neo-nazis more for shit or barring neo-nazis from shops and such and telling everyone that they are Holocaust deniers.

[Kowani]

Cancel culture?

Not that but more along the line of charging neo-nazis more for shit or barring neo-nazis from shops and such and telling everyone that they are Holocaust deniers.

Yeah, that sounds feasible.


Wait, no.

[The Upper Danube]

I'm aware that this may offend some of you, and don't get me wrong, the holocaust was horrible, and should be remembered, but honestly, it is overrepresented. I don't mean to downplay it at all. It was as terrible as it is portrayed, but the Holocaust was not an incredible event. For example, Mao killed 30 million people in his great leap forward alone, and Stalin's death totals are far higher than even that. These are just the worst of the 20th century. Throughout history, it is littered with examples of mass murders, not quite as high as in the 20th century, but that can be attributed to the huge leaps in population prior to it. Anyways, all this to say that instead of commemorating the Holocaust even more, perhaps we should focus on shedding light on these, just as bad atrocities. While I certainly think the Holocaust should be promoted, there are massacres that require far more attention and promoting, even if that means placing the Holocaust on the back burner for a while.

[Kexholm and Karelia]

I'm aware that this may offend some of you, and don't get me wrong, the holocaust was horrible, and should be remembered, but honestly, it is overrepresented. I don't mean to downplay it at all. It was as terrible as it is portrayed, but the Holocaust was not an incredible event. For example, Mao killed 30 million people in his great leap forward alone, and Stalin's death totals are far higher than even that. These are just the worst of the 20th century. Throughout history, it is littered with examples of mass murders, not quite as high as in the 20th century, but that can be attributed to the huge leaps in population prior to it. Anyways, all this to say that instead of commemorating the Holocaust even more, perhaps we should focus on shedding light on these, just as bad atrocities. While I certainly think the Holocaust should be promoted, there are massacres that require far more attention and promoting, even if that means placing the Holocaust on the back burner for a while.

I think if American schools went over the Mao’s Cultural Revolution and the Stalinist Gulag system, less people would come out of high schools self identifying as communists

[Aureumterra]

I'm aware that this may offend some of you, and don't get me wrong, the holocaust was horrible, and should be remembered, but honestly, it is overrepresented. I don't mean to downplay it at all. It was as terrible as it is portrayed, but the Holocaust was not an incredible event. For example, Mao killed 30 million people in his great leap forward alone, and Stalin's death totals are far higher than even that. These are just the worst of the 20th century. Throughout history, it is littered with examples of mass murders, not quite as high as in the 20th century, but that can be attributed to the huge leaps in population prior to it. Anyways, all this to say that instead of commemorating the Holocaust even more, perhaps we should focus on shedding light on these, just as bad atrocities. While I certainly think the Holocaust should be promoted, there are massacres that require far more attention and promoting, even if that means placing the Holocaust on the back burner for a while.

I think if American schools went over the Mao’s Cultural Revolution and the Stalinist Gulag system, less people would come out of high schools self identifying as communists

They don’t cover those? Holy fuck

[Disgraces]

I'm aware that this may offend some of you, and don't get me wrong, the holocaust was horrible, and should be remembered, but honestly, it is overrepresented. I don't mean to downplay it at all. It was as terrible as it is portrayed, but the Holocaust was not an incredible event. For example, Mao killed 30 million people in his great leap forward alone, and Stalin's death totals are far higher than even that. These are just the worst of the 20th century. Throughout history, it is littered with examples of mass murders, not quite as high as in the 20th century, but that can be attributed to the huge leaps in population prior to it. Anyways, all this to say that instead of commemorating the Holocaust even more, perhaps we should focus on shedding light on these, just as bad atrocities. While I certainly think the Holocaust should be promoted, there are massacres that require far more attention and promoting, even if that means placing the Holocaust on the back burner for a while.

Hitler's genocide was based in racism that's why

[Kexholm and Karelia]

I think if American schools went over the Mao’s Cultural Revolution and the Stalinist Gulag system, less people would come out of high schools self identifying as communists

They don’t cover those? Holy fuck

They "cover those," by mentioning them one or two times in class, while Middle School English and High School History spend weeks on the holocaust. By giving equal attention to all of 20th century atrocities instead of just portraying one, we will have a more educated younger generation.

I blame the rising popularity of Communism among younger people on the education system failing to cover these topics

[Dakran]

I think if American schools went over the Mao’s Cultural Revolution and the Stalinist Gulag system, less people would come out of high schools self identifying as communists

They don’t cover those? Holy fuck

I don't remember it being covered very much, if at all. I had to learn how fucked up the Gulags were in my own time, and over the years through various bits of media. Same with the Great Leap Forward. American education system has already been ragged on enough in this thread, but just to emphasize it, have that little tidbit.

[The Upper Danube]

I'm aware that this may offend some of you, and don't get me wrong, the holocaust was horrible, and should be remembered, but honestly, it is overrepresented. I don't mean to downplay it at all. It was as terrible as it is portrayed, but the Holocaust was not an incredible event. For example, Mao killed 30 million people in his great leap forward alone, and Stalin's death totals are far higher than even that. These are just the worst of the 20th century. Throughout history, it is littered with examples of mass murders, not quite as high as in the 20th century, but that can be attributed to the huge leaps in population prior to it. Anyways, all this to say that instead of commemorating the Holocaust even more, perhaps we should focus on shedding light on these, just as bad atrocities. While I certainly think the Holocaust should be promoted, there are massacres that require far more attention and promoting, even if that means placing the Holocaust on the back burner for a while.

Hitler's genocide was based in racism that's why

Ok, but ethnic cleansing is not something unique to Hitler. It's consistently been a main cause of genocide for centuries. Rwandan and Bosnian genocides are even more recent than the Holocaust, and while not quite on the same scale, they get little to no attention.

[Neutraligon]

I'm aware that this may offend some of you, and don't get me wrong, the holocaust was horrible, and should be remembered, but honestly, it is overrepresented. I don't mean to downplay it at all. It was as terrible as it is portrayed, but the Holocaust was not an incredible event. For example, Mao killed 30 million people in his great leap forward alone, and Stalin's death totals are far higher than even that. These are just the worst of the 20th century. Throughout history, it is littered with examples of mass murders, not quite as high as in the 20th century, but that can be attributed to the huge leaps in population prior to it. Anyways, all this to say that instead of commemorating the Holocaust even more, perhaps we should focus on shedding light on these, just as bad atrocities. While I certainly think the Holocaust should be promoted, there are massacres that require far more attention and promoting, even if that means placing the Holocaust on the back burner for a while.

There is a big difference between a policy that attempts to eliminate, torture and destroy various groups and policy that results in death due to the policy not working.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Cancel culture?

Not that but more along the line of charging neo-nazis more for shit or barring neo-nazis from shops and such and telling everyone that they are Holocaust deniers.

So basically cancel culture?

[The Upper Danube]

They don’t cover those? Holy fuck

I don't remember it being covered very much, if at all. I had to learn how fucked up the Gulags were in my own time, and over the years through various bits of media. Same with the Great Leap Forward. American education system has already been ragged on enough in this thread, but just to emphasize it, have that little tidbit.

Yeah, I agree with this. Even if we aren't taught enough on the Holocaust, the lack of teaching on Gulags and the Great Leap Forward is even more appalling.

[La Xinga]

I think we can all agree one one thing: American education sucks.

[Cordel One]

I'm aware that this may offend some of you, and don't get me wrong, the holocaust was horrible, and should be remembered, but honestly, it is overrepresented. I don't mean to downplay it at all. It was as terrible as it is portrayed, but the Holocaust was not an incredible event. For example, Mao killed 30 million people in his great leap forward alone, and Stalin's death totals are far higher than even that. These are just the worst of the 20th century. Throughout history, it is littered with examples of mass murders, not quite as high as in the 20th century, but that can be attributed to the huge leaps in population prior to it. Anyways, all this to say that instead of commemorating the Holocaust even more, perhaps we should focus on shedding light on these, just as bad atrocities. While I certainly think the Holocaust should be promoted, there are massacres that require far more attention and promoting, even if that means placing the Holocaust on the back burner for a while.

I think if American schools went over the Mao’s Cultural Revolution and the Stalinist Gulag system, less people would come out of high schools self identifying as communists

They absolutely do go over that. Our history textbooks are so filled with American propaganda that they'll straight up lie about what communists want, using only the atrocities of opportunistic "communist" dictators to describe it.

[Neutraligon]

I think we can all agree one one thing: American education sucks.

There really isn't American education so can't even say that. Education is controlled by the states, not the federal government.

[-Astoria-]

I blame the rising popularity of Communism among younger people on the education system failing to cover these topics

"rising popularity of Communism"?

[Disgraces]

I blame the rising popularity of Communism among younger people on the education system failing to cover these topics

I blame it in people going bankrupt after going to see a doctor in the US

[The Upper Danube]

I think we can all agree one one thing: American education sucks.

Hence, why I am homeschooled.

[Cordel One]

Reacting to this with "the Holocaust was bad but wahtabout gommunism" is borderline apologia.

[Giovenith]

believe it was a myth

Alt-rightards be like

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[Neuer Deutsches Reich]

I don't remember it being covered very much, if at all. I had to learn how fucked up the Gulags were in my own time, and over the years through various bits of media. Same with the Great Leap Forward. American education system has already been ragged on enough in this thread, but just to emphasize it, have that little tidbit.

Yeah, I agree with this. Even if we aren't taught enough on the Holocaust, the lack of teaching on Gulags and the Great Leap Forward is even more appalling.

Indeed. You teach that national-socialism is wrong, then don’t forget to teach about what happened in the Soviet Union and China. Also the ethnic cleansing of the German land outside east Germany that was in soviet hands is too unknown. When you are a victor, people don’t care about what you do

[Rusozak]

Are you sure? It was pretty heavily drilled into my head in public school, and this was the mid/late 2000's. But I actually paid attention and had a genuine interest in history, so maybe that's a factor.

[Disgraces]

Reacting to this with "the Holocaust was bad but wahtabout gommunism" is borderline apologia.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Cazq1XQ-4