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Does American Education Suck?

Yes, and we should do something about it.
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Yes, and we should not do anything about it.
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No. Simple as that.
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Postby Minskiev » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:39 am

Kowani, they’re not saying it’s the US committing a genocide in..a place literally halfway across the world, but rather the anti-US country that politically owns East Turkestan. I don’t get what you mean.
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:39 am

We should never forget the atrocities committed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Oh but we did, because we give lots of money to the People’s Republic of China, where the Chinese Communist Party is making Uighurs, Mongols, Falun Gong, Christians, Tibetans, Kyrgyz, Manchus, and Xinaians live in the same condition as those who suffered through the holocaust were.
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Postby Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:40 am

New Spain of the North wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
I do sincerely hope you are joking. Holocaust denial is not funny, at all.


What do you mean "holocaust denial"? This a truth vs falsehood thing. The holocaust tale has long been debunked and it only continues to be taught as history out of nostalgia from "the greatest generation". The whole tale has long been known to be nothing but American imperialist post-war propaganda to justify itself as the policeman of the world, amongst many other material benefits.

You can call it by the jewish label of "holocaust denial", but that's in equal standing with leprechaun and unicorn denial. Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are all in reality parents impersonating those characters. You can verify this empirically.

Bruh. How is it """""debunked?"""""

We have plenty of evidence of the Holocaust. To say otherwise is delusional.
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Postby San Kalungsod Saludong » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:41 am

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Jews elite status now in America makes Jews hammer down in Americans how its all about them even when it isn't, Jews are just like everyone else, people who are also admirable and also have some imperfection too, well unfortunately many Jews did die, and the Holocaust should be studied and fostered but it should not come down to the point wherein Nazi atrocities in American textbooks get more space than the actual MILLIONS of American citizens killed in the Pacific, when during that time period, there were more Americans actually living in their Hawaiian and Philippine colonies than living in Europe. Yet Americans get taught more about the Holocaust of Jews which they cannot control and did not happen in American territory than the actual massacre of Americans in the Philippine and Hawaii.

I agree with almost anything, but don't you think it has to do more with the fact they were in Europe than the first statement?


Yes, that too. It obviously happened in Europe.
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Postby La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:41 am

San Kalungsod Saludong wrote:
La xinga wrote:I agree with almost anything, but don't you think it has to do more with the fact they were in Europe than the first statement?


Yes, that too. It obviously happened in Europe.

So we found common ground. That is good.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:41 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:We should never forget the atrocities committed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Oh but we did, because we give lots of money to the People’s Republic of China, where the Chinese Communist Party is making Uighurs, Mongols, Falun Gong, Christians, Tibetans, Kyrgyz, Manchus, and Xinaians live in the same condition as those who suffered through the holocaust were.


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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:42 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yad Vashem has something like that but it’s just children’s shoes. And there’s thousands of them. I threw up after seeing that.

There is one particular location in Yad Vashem that haunts me. Dark building with a ton of mirrors and candles, and voice reading the names of the children and the age they died. This sorta get's it across https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU-siyN ... 5%E5%BC%98

Ya that one gives me the chills.
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Postby Sao Nova Europa » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:43 am

Can't say I am surprised considering the state of education in the US (though it isn't much better in many parts of Europe, to be fair). As years pass, we actually dumb down education instead of moving in the opposite direction, despite the fact that thanks to the internet and computer devices we can share information faster than any other generation in history.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:We should never forget the atrocities committed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Oh but we did, because we give lots of money to the People’s Republic of China, where the Chinese Communist Party is making Uighurs, Mongols, Falun Gong, Christians, Tibetans, Kyrgyz, Manchus, and Xinaians live in the same condition as those who suffered through the holocaust were.


wtf is a Xinaian

A Uighur I guess
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:44 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:We should never forget the atrocities committed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Oh but we did, because we give lots of money to the People’s Republic of China, where the Chinese Communist Party is making Uighurs, Mongols, Falun Gong, Christians, Tibetans, Kyrgyz, Manchus, and Xinaians live in the same condition as those who suffered through the holocaust were.


wtf is a Xinaian

It’s a very small but persecuted group of people living in Sichuan

We call them Xinaians in Chinese, not sure what the English media calls them
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Postby Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:44 am

Minskiev wrote:Kowani, they’re not saying it’s the US committing a genocide in..a place literally halfway across the world, but rather the anti-US country that politically owns East Turkestan. I don’t get what you mean.

…What they’re saying is that nobody in the western world cares about the genocide.
The act of the US putting sanctions is a rebuttal of that.

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:We should never forget the atrocities committed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Oh but we did, because we give lots of money to the People’s Republic of China, where the Chinese Communist Party is making Uighurs, Mongols, Falun Gong, Christians, Tibetans, Kyrgyz, Manchus, and Xinaians live in the same condition as those who suffered through the holocaust were.

Real quick, do you think the Nazis were socialist?
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Postby Andsed » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:45 am

Sicilian Imperial-Capitalist Empire wrote:
New Spain of the North wrote:
What do you mean "holocaust denial"? This a truth vs falsehood thing. The holocaust tale has long been debunked and it only continues to be taught as history out of nostalgia from "the greatest generation". The whole tale has long been known to be nothing but American imperialist post-war propaganda to justify itself as the policeman of the world, amongst many other material benefits.

You can call it by the jewish label of "holocaust denial", but that's in equal standing with leprechaun and unicorn denial. Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are all in reality parents impersonating those characters. You can verify this empirically.

Bruh. How is it """""debunked?"""""

We have plenty of evidence of the Holocaust. To say otherwise is delusional.

Clearly that mountain of testimony, pictures, records, confessions etc etc was all just fabricated.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:45 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
wtf is a Xinaian

It’s a very small but persecuted group of people living in Sichuan

We call them Xinaians in Chinese, not sure what the English media calls them


Oh I think I know who you're speaking of. I'd never heard the term before though.

Yeah them and other smaller groups like those in southern China are treated horrendously but get little to no attention.
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Postby Animu Place » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:46 am

that is sad but im kinds not surprised we didnt learn much about the holocaust in our class
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:46 am

New Spain of the North wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
I do sincerely hope you are joking. Holocaust denial is not funny, at all.


What do you mean "holocaust denial"? This a truth vs falsehood thing. The holocaust tale has long been debunked and it only continues to be taught as history out of nostalgia from "the greatest generation". The whole tale has long been known to be nothing but American imperialist post-war propaganda to justify itself as the policeman of the world, amongst many other material benefits.

You can call it by the jewish label of "holocaust denial", but that's in equal standing with leprechaun and unicorn denial. Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are all in reality parents impersonating those characters. You can verify this empirically.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:47 am

La xinga wrote:...
According to the study of millennial and Gen Z adults aged between 18 and 39, almost half (48%) could not name a single concentration camp or ghetto established during the second world war.

Almost a quarter of respondents (23%) said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, or had been exaggerated, or they weren’t sure.
One in eight (12%) said they had definitely not heard, or didn’t think they had heard, about the Holocaust.
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This isn't "lack of knowledge". This is historical revisionism and denial.
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:47 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
wtf is a Xinaian

A Uighur I guess

Uighurs live in "Xinjiang" (which is the Chinese colonial name for Yarkand or East Turkestan)
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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:47 am

New Spain of the North wrote:What do you mean "holocaust denial"? This a truth vs falsehood thing. The holocaust tale has long been debunked and it only continues to be taught as history out of nostalgia from "the greatest generation". The whole tale has long been known to be nothing but American imperialist post-war propaganda to justify itself as the policeman of the world, amongst many other material benefits.

You can call it by the jewish label of "holocaust denial", but that's in equal standing with leprechaun and unicorn denial. Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are all in reality parents impersonating those characters. You can verify this empirically.

Oh look. Nazi spotted.
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Postby La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:48 am

Risottia wrote:
La xinga wrote:...
According to the study of millennial and Gen Z adults aged between 18 and 39, almost half (48%) could not name a single concentration camp or ghetto established during the second world war.

Almost a quarter of respondents (23%) said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, or had been exaggerated, or they weren’t sure.
One in eight (12%) said they had definitely not heard, or didn’t think they had heard, about the Holocaust.
...


This isn't "lack of knowledge". This is historical revisionism and denial.

It's actually possible they never heard of it. Although yes, I do think a whole lot of them are out right denying it.
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Postby -Astoria- » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:49 am

New Spain of the North wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
I do sincerely hope you are joking. Holocaust denial is not funny, at all.


What do you mean "holocaust denial"? This a truth vs falsehood thing. The holocaust tale has long been debunked and it only continues to be taught as history out of nostalgia from "the greatest generation". The whole tale has long been known to be nothing but American imperialist post-war propaganda to justify itself as the policeman of the world, amongst many other material benefits.

You can call it by the jewish label of "holocaust denial", but that's in equal standing with leprechaun and unicorn denial. Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are all in reality parents impersonating those characters. You can verify this empirically.

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Postby Novus America » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:49 am

Kowani wrote:
Minskiev wrote:Kowani, they’re not saying it’s the US committing a genocide in..a place literally halfway across the world, but rather the anti-US country that politically owns East Turkestan. I don’t get what you mean.

…What they’re saying is that nobody in the western world cares about the genocide.
The act of the US putting sanctions is a rebuttal of that.

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:We should never forget the atrocities committed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Oh but we did, because we give lots of money to the People’s Republic of China, where the Chinese Communist Party is making Uighurs, Mongols, Falun Gong, Christians, Tibetans, Kyrgyz, Manchus, and Xinaians live in the same condition as those who suffered through the holocaust were.

Real quick, do you think the Nazis were socialist?


Joke sanctions that are so weak as to have no real consequences is not really caring.
I guess sure, to virtual signal we would maybe hit the Nazi regime with a few pathetically weak show sanctions while still outsourcing everything to them. We would still get crushed in WWII as well.

But hey, we would have pretended to care so it is all good?
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:51 am

Risottia wrote:
New Spain of the North wrote:What do you mean "holocaust denial"? This a truth vs falsehood thing. The holocaust tale has long been debunked and it only continues to be taught as history out of nostalgia from "the greatest generation". The whole tale has long been known to be nothing but American imperialist post-war propaganda to justify itself as the policeman of the world, amongst many other material benefits.

You can call it by the jewish label of "holocaust denial", but that's in equal standing with leprechaun and unicorn denial. Santa, the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny are all in reality parents impersonating those characters. You can verify this empirically.

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Postby Risottia » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:51 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Oh look. Nazi spotted.


Not necessarily, but still an Alt-rightist (maybe) antisemite either way.

Let's avoid neologisms and just call him a neo-Nazi.
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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:51 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:We should never forget the atrocities committed by the National Socialist German Workers’ Party

Oh but we did, because we give lots of money to the People’s Republic of China, where the Chinese Communist Party is making Uighurs, Mongols, Falun Gong, Christians, Tibetans, Kyrgyz, Manchus, and Xinaians live in the same condition as those who suffered through the holocaust were.


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Postby Kungsu » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:52 am

San Kalungsod Saludong wrote:
Jews elite status now in America makes Jews hammer down in Americans how its all about them even when it isn't, Jews are just like everyone else, people who are also admirable and also have some imperfection too, well unfortunately many Jews did die, and the Holocaust should be studied and fostered but it should not come down to the point wherein Nazi atrocities in American textbooks get more space than the actual MILLIONS of American citizens killed in the Pacific, when during that time period, there were more Americans actually living in their Hawaiian and Philippine colonies than living in Europe. Yet Americans get taught more about the Holocaust of Jews which they cannot control and did not happen in American territory than the actual massacre of Americans in the Philippine and Hawaii.


As far as I am aware, American schools basically teach the Holocaust as the ONLY genocide that happened. Anything about Native Americans is relegated to "they caught our diseases" and a far-too-nice portrayal of the Trail of Tears. No mentions of Holodomar, Armenian Genocide, the Rape of Nanking, or any other such event, big or small. Definitely no arguments against Manifest Destiny, which is often portrayed as unilaterally good.

The amount of revisionism by omission is terrifying.

(This is not to say the Holocaust wasn't the worst of them and should be reduced in importance. Rather, all genocides, Holocaust included, are being misrepresented in a terrible way.)
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