US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Fahran]

A new product line of defense venders will spring up. Robots that will shoot who you ask them to when you insert $1.75 in exact change into them.

School shootings have never been so hands-off!

[Kexholm Karelia]

Abolish the Police, but from a Rightist perspective.

I don’t support abolishing but I support scaling police militarization back, as a right wing conservative

I posted this with my old nation on the old thread

But I have said it many times but we on the right should not be "supporting" the police in their current militarized state, because the minute a communist or socialist comes to power, the police will be able to genocide "enemies of the state" (that is us) like Mao did in China which forced my family to flee back then.

Everyone thought that China would never become communist back then as well, but look where we are now

[Vassenor]

Remember, everything is secretly a Chinese Communist Conspiracy.

Also apparently only protests against police authority merit large scale violent response. Anti-mask rallies apparently don't.

[Newark Aristocracy]

Remember, everything is secretly a Chinese Communist Conspiracy.

Also apparently only protests against police authority merit large scale violent response. Anti-mask rallies apparently don't.

America:A shithole that is burning so much,even the Chinese and Venezuelans are impressed.

[Northern Davincia]

Remember, everything is secretly a Chinese Communist Conspiracy.

Also apparently only protests against police authority merit large scale violent response. Anti-mask rallies apparently don't.

Which is more likely to descend into violence, independent of a police response?

[Kowani]

A new product line of defense venders will spring up. Robots that will shoot who you ask them to when you insert $1.75 in exact change into them.

School shootings have never been so hands-off!

Cough.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Remember, everything is secretly a Chinese Communist Conspiracy.

You are probably talking about me? I never hinted at any sort of conspiracy, all I said was the right needs to stop supporting and lobbying for militarized police because the minute a communist government comes to power, the same police will be used to hunt us down and kill us

The likelihood of a communist in power is irrelevant, the point is the police shouldn’t have the resources to carry out something like the Cultural Revolution in the first place

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Remember, everything is secretly a Chinese Communist Conspiracy.

You are probably talking about me? I never hinted at any sort of conspiracy, all I said was the right needs to stop supporting and lobbying for militarized police because the minute a communist government comes to power, the same police will be used to hunt us down and kill us

The likelihood of a communist in power is irrelevant, the point is the police shouldn’t have the resources to carry out something like the Cultural Revolution in the first place

They have weapons of war on them for things like traffic stops. It makes no sense.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Remember, everything is secretly a Chinese Communist Conspiracy.

Also apparently only protests against police authority merit large scale violent response. Anti-mask rallies apparently don't.

Which is more likely to descend into violence, independent of a police response?

The anti maskers in my state stormed our capitol and a few were arrested with plans to kill the governor.

Trust me, it ain't just about the threat of immediate violence.

[Greed and Death]

Also apparently only protests against police authority merit large scale violent response. Anti-mask rallies apparently don't.

The anti mask people didn't destroy any stores and what not.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Also apparently only protests against police authority merit large scale violent response. Anti-mask rallies apparently don't.

The anti mask people didn't destroy any stores and what not.

To be fair, destroying stores ain't a big deal breaker for me, at least not against major companies that can afford the setbacks. Violence against people is far more of an issue.

[Cordel One]

Also apparently only protests against police authority merit large scale violent response. Anti-mask rallies apparently don't.

The anti mask people didn't destroy any stores and what not.

Protests are much more likely to become riots when the cops start beating the protesters. Destroying big stores isn't bad in itself anyways, though.

[Vassenor]

Also apparently only protests against police authority merit large scale violent response. Anti-mask rallies apparently don't.

The anti mask people didn't destroy any stores and what not.

And how many anti-police demos go violent -before- the police try and roll over them?

[Fahran]

America:A shithole that is burning so much,even the Chinese and Venezuelans are impressed.

People aren't eating zoo animals here yet. We're also not a literal dictatorship where journos get disappeared yet. It's a luxury that we can complain about the president acting mean to journos as an example of oppressing the press. Usually, that's more applicable when there's torture involved. Things are bad, but they can get much, much worse if we continue making increasingly worse decisions. Is this pessimistic optimism? Huh.

[Fahran]

And how many anti-police demos go violent -before- the police try and roll over them?

It's impossible to really say given that the police have a vested interest in over-representing that number, the activists have a vested interest in under-representing that number, and the press just love the chaos and the views it brings to their usually very mediocre articles on the subject. Given the number of nonviolent protests has been estimated at slightly above 90%, we could argue that 9% or 10% of demonstrations descend into violence, which is a high proportion comparatively. But, again, we're kinda having to guess. And we also don't know where to put the blame in most cases.

It's not really surprising that BLM demonstrations where street brawlers show up are a bit less orderly than demonstrations involving Karens who don't want to wear masks. The movement has attracted enough ideological radicals who believe in literally fighting the system that that minority can cause problems for communities and other more moderate demonstrators. As evidenced by the wide gap between the goals of the hardline activists and the average black American. People who spend large portions of their lives as activists are more likely to be ideologically radicalized, especially if they're well-educated, read theory, etc.

[Vassenor]

NYC cancels $900M deferred payout to teachers, cites financial crisis

See, shit like this is why #DefundThePolice is actually important. Because somehow the ongoing financial crisis hasn't affected their ability to pay for the NYPD.

[Fahran]

NYC cancels $900M deferred payout to teachers, cites financial crisis

See, shit like this is why #DefundThePolice is actually important. Because somehow the ongoing financial crisis hasn't affected their ability to pay for the NYPD.

Except NYC has actually reduced the police budget as well in response to COVID-19 and the massive financial woes caused by the epidemic. To the tune of one billion dollars. Amid soaring crime rates. While paying deferred compensation to teachers is nice, a municipal government still needs to retain policing as a basic service - since, historically, it has been one of the more important services they provide. NYC is juggling different considerations and setting its budget accordingly. They have a lot more to lose than most activists if abolishing or defunding the police doesn't go well.

[Galloism]

NYC cancels $900M deferred payout to teachers, cites financial crisis

See, shit like this is why #DefundThePolice is actually important. Because somehow the ongoing financial crisis hasn't affected their ability to pay for the NYPD.

Except NYC has actually reduced the police budget as well in response to COVID-19 and the massive financial woes caused by the epidemic. To the tune of one billion dollars. Amid soaring crime rates. While paying deferred compensation to teachers is nice, a municipal government still needs to retain policing as a basic service - since, historically, it has been one of the more important services they provide. NYC is juggling different considerations and setting its budget accordingly. They have a lot more to lose than most activists if abolishing or defunding the police doesn't go well.

You never know what could happen.

[Phoenicaea]

to break a spear in favor, no, nothing to spare with venezuelean tragedy, nor with george orwell’s brought to light omen which is china.

educated, most sought-after european workers do not see america as their natural haven from now, that is all. it is merely a regressive phase.

[Fahran]

You never know what could happen.

I doubt it would go quite that badly.

[Fahran]

Protests are much more likely to become riots when the cops start beating the protesters. Destroying big stores isn't bad in itself anyways, though.

We actually don't really know if this argument is accurate on the whole. We do know that it's inaccurate in certain instances because in places like Portland and Seattle particular instances of police violence were a response to violent demonstrations, attempts to commit arson and/or murder, and widespread looting and assault, including at least two prominent instances when tear gas was deployed that we discussed in a previous iteration of this thread.

The argument made against police violence in both incidents was "the protestors weren't violent enough to warrant the response" or "police violence should have been more targeted." Neither was a really feasible or good faith rebuttal in light of the circumstances.

Keeping all that in mind, if I had to guess, the truth lies somewhere in-between. Where precisely will no doubt be a point of contention.

[Kexholm Karelia]

You are probably talking about me? I never hinted at any sort of conspiracy, all I said was the right needs to stop supporting and lobbying for militarized police because the minute a communist government comes to power, the same police will be used to hunt us down and kill us

The likelihood of a communist in power is irrelevant, the point is the police shouldn’t have the resources to carry out something like the Cultural Revolution in the first place

They have weapons of war on them for things like traffic stops. It makes no sense.

That’s why I said the right needs to stop supporting police militarization. The minute a communist comes to power, we are the ones that will be hunted, the police have all the resources to carry out an American Cultural Revolution

[Vassenor]

They have weapons of war on them for things like traffic stops. It makes no sense.

That’s why I said the right needs to stop supporting police militarization. The minute a communist comes to power, we are the ones that will be hunted, the police have all the resources to carry out an American Cultural Revolution

#RedsUnderTheBed

[Albrenia]

They have weapons of war on them for things like traffic stops. It makes no sense.

That’s why I said the right needs to stop supporting police militarization. The minute a communist comes to power, we are the ones that will be hunted, the police have all the resources to carry out an American Cultural Revolution

Communists aren't going to come to power for a very long time in the US, so I think you're safe.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

In related news, my city has a ballot issue this election season to create an independent civilian review board that can appoint an inspector general for the Columbus Division of Police and can also launch and conduct investigations into police abuse and misconduct, including subpoena powers. Seems like a decent step in the right direction to me.