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Postby Kowani » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:03 pm

Fahran wrote:
Kowani wrote:Beyond that, manslaughter wouldn't depend on the police announcing themselves, afaik, so even that's not really justified.

I'm not too familiar with the laws surrounding voluntary manslaughter or the rules regarding police discharging their firearms in Kentucky. That said, if the police announced themselves and a person responded by firing on them, they could argue that they were justified in returning fire potentially. Hence that singular witness presenting a reasonable doubt. And the data on this front aren't very encouraging either. In my mind, it's more a case of local judicial officials not pursuing cases that they can't win than negligence. Long-term solutions to police brutality and unjustified killings are going to need to change laws or, better yet, change the culture of policing and the way in which departments interact with communities.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:14 am

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:27 am

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So it was rigged from the start then.

Always has been.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:10 pm

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Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
So it was rigged from the start then.

Always has been.

it's only rigged when the outcome doesn't go your way. besides all the stuff afterwards Law Abiding Citizen shows the criminal justice system in it's true form. the system works the way it does not the way you want it to work.
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:23 pm

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West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Always has been.

it's only rigged when the outcome doesn't go your way. besides all the stuff afterwards Law Abiding Citizen shows the criminal justice system in it's true form. the system works the way it does not the way you want it to work.

Is there... meant to be a point in here?
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:39 pm

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Gig em Aggies wrote:it's only rigged when the outcome doesn't go your way. besides all the stuff afterwards Law Abiding Citizen shows the criminal justice system in it's true form. the system works the way it does not the way you want it to work.

Is there... meant to be a point in here?

yes my point being is that when you dont get the outcome you want you say it's rigged or the system failed when in fact it didn't.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:42 pm

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Postby Geneviev » Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's just not safe.

You don't say...

He committed murder, we shouldn't be releasing him.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:09 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kowani wrote:You don't say...

He committed murder, we shouldn't be releasing him.

You're entirely correct.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:36 pm

Sackers wrote:Abolish the Police, but from a Rightist perspective.

Privatization?
I like your way of thinking.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:41 pm

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Sackers wrote:Abolish the Police, but from a Rightist perspective.

Privatization?
I like your way of thinking.


No he means abolish the police because they are servants of neoliberal, woke-professing global capitalists.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:43 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:Privatization?
I like your way of thinking.


No he means abolish the police because they are servants of neoliberal, woke-professing global capitalists.

The private police will hold no such illusions.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:44 pm

Sackers wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He committed murder, we shouldn't be releasing him.


No he didn't and to claim otherwise is to engage in libel.

At best, he was incredibly reckless and contributed heavily towards the death of Floyd.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:45 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
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No he means abolish the police because they are servants of neoliberal, woke-professing global capitalists.

The private police will hold no such illusions.


If they are employed by Disney, Amazon, and Citigroup, I wouldn't be so sure.
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:49 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:The private police will hold no such illusions.


If they are employed by Disney, Amazon, and Citigroup, I wouldn't be so sure.

You think Disney will let their private police get Disney+ for free? I’m looking for work and I been meaning to watch that whole Mandalorian thing.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:23 pm

Sackers wrote:
Geneviev wrote:He committed murder, we shouldn't be releasing him.


No he didn't and to claim otherwise is to engage in libel.

I don't want to unjustly condemn anyone, but he literally killed a man in one of the most terrible ways he could for no defensible reason. That's murder to me. George Floyd could have been alive now.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:25 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
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No he means abolish the police because they are servants of neoliberal, woke-professing global capitalists.

The private police will hold no such illusions.


They literally would though. In fact it would be even worse.
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Postby Geneviev » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:25 pm

Sackers wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I don't want to unjustly condemn anyone, but he literally killed a man in one of the most terrible ways he could for no defensible reason. That's murder to me. George Floyd could have been alive now.


No he did not.

What else do you call what he did? Kneeling on someone's neck while he's pleading for his life for almost ten minutes?
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Postby Fahran » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:41 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:No he means abolish the police because they are servants of neoliberal, woke-professing global capitalists.

Police serve local communities though? I don't think the local sheriff who talks to my daddy and brother about fishing spots is necessarily a servant of the neoliberal establishment. He's a product of the community, as much as any of us. He's an employee of the government, sure, but his usual work is just pulling over guys who had a bit too much to drink at a bonfire.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:They literally would though. In fact it would be even worse.

^ This. Imagine Facebook jail but it's a real place and you get sent there for trolling Karens on unnecessarily politicized meme pages. Or imagine the local bubba militia becoming the monopoly on coercion. You do not want this future.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:50 pm

Sackers wrote:Abolish the Police, but from a Rightist perspective.


Private security for anyone who can afford it, concealed carry for anyone who can't?
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:31 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Sackers wrote:Abolish the Police, but from a Rightist perspective.


Private security for anyone who can afford it, concealed carry for anyone who can't?

What if they can't afford firearms either?
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:43 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Private security for anyone who can afford it, concealed carry for anyone who can't?

What if they can't afford firearms either?


A new product line of defense venders will spring up. Robots that will shoot who you ask them to when you insert $1.75 in exact change into them.
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