US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Diuhon]

It is absolutely past time that every Republican officeholder be deprived of their power and office. Texas is as great a start as any, while also removing every last cop in Uvalde from their posts, the better to know the truth behind last month's inaction AND allow reforms to take place and take root.

[Akhenamun]

It is absolutely past time that every Republican officeholder be deprived of their power and office. Texas is as great a start as any, while also removing every last cop in Uvalde from their posts, the better to know the truth behind last month's inaction AND allow reforms to take place and take root.

I can say I very much agree in spirit, especially in the case of the Republicans being a crucial component of the two-party system that has kept the government deep in the dumps for so long. The real problem concerning the cops is that the SCOTUS in the past has ruled that the police have no duty to "serve and protect" innocents. It's a broken system in and of itself. Replacing the entire PD is justified and probably should be done (since no cop was honorable enough to get it through his thick skull that he should protect innocents), but it would hardly be an improvement should it be done without reform first.

The real problem by the end of the day is the absolutely broken politics that centers around the Supreme Court. Going off of what can be done legally and peacefully, the Congress should absolutely pass legislation that requires all police departments to follow a set of strict moral procedures, from protecting the innocent to setting standards of reasonable force. The hows, whens, and whys can take up literal volumes, but it nevertheless must be done.

[Saiwania]

I'm hearing good things coming out of El Salvador, I'm very impressed if the new measures are working. The leader of that nation is fighting a war against gangs and corruption as of late, and he's been so bold as to get 36,000+ people arrested overnight or over a short period. He's really hitting the organized criminals where it hurts. For every incident that happens outside of prisons, the imprisoned gang members get worse amenities or rations in response.

Nayib Bukele must know what he's doing if he's come to my attention. Could this really turn that nation around? How this relates to the US is that, supposedly the better off El Salvador is, it means there could be up to 4 fewer people migrating in through Mexico each day in a given year.

[Diuhon]

i'll say little about el salvador at this stage, but consider that bukele's not rounding up criminals, but drafting labor to recoup his cryptogambling

needless to say, nothing to do with american law enforcement in general and uvalde in particular, though of course you'd view such crackdowns as a good thing

[Thethen]

I'm hearing good things coming out of El Salvador, I'm very impressed if the new measures are working. The leader of that nation is fighting a war against gangs and corruption as of late, and he's been so bold as to get 36,000+ people arrested overnight or over a short period. He's really hitting the organized criminals where it hurts. For every incident that happens outside of prisons, the imprisoned gang members get worse amenities or rations in response.

Nayib Bukele must know what he's doing if he's come to my attention. Could this really turn that nation around? How this relates to the US is that, supposedly the better off El Salvador is, it means there could be up to 4 fewer people migrating in through Mexico each day in a given year.

This is the funniest thing I’ve seen all day.

[Big Bad Blue]

Akron releases body cam footage of young Black man shot 60 times by police. They've cancelled the 4th of July out of an abundance of caution. After pumping more lead into his body than Bonnie and Clyde they seriously released a statement that the cops "immediately summonsed for EMS to [sic] as they began administering first aid until the arrival of the paramedics." Seriously.

Meanwhile back in Allen, KY, a white suspect with a rifle who killed three cops and a police dog and wounded five others was taken into custody. Words fail me.

Just stop shooting young Black men, officers. Please.

[Des-Bal]

Akron releases body cam footage of young Black man shot 60 times by police. They've cancelled the 4th of July out of an abundance of caution. After pumping more lead into his body than Bonnie and Clyde they seriously released a statement that the cops "immediately summonsed for EMS to [sic] as they began administering first aid until the arrival of the paramedics." Seriously.

Meanwhile back in Allen, KY, a white suspect with a rifle who killed three cops and a police dog and wounded five others was taken into custody. Words fail me.

Just stop shooting young Black men, officers. Please.

If that guy had been Black officers would have disregarded their own safety and walked fearlessly into the home as he unloaded on him solely to have the pleasure of shooting a black person.

[Big Bad Blue]

Akron releases body cam footage of young Black man shot 60 times by police. They've cancelled the 4th of July out of an abundance of caution. After pumping more lead into his body than Bonnie and Clyde they seriously released a statement that the cops "immediately summonsed for EMS to [sic] as they began administering first aid until the arrival of the paramedics." Seriously.

Meanwhile back in Allen, KY, a white suspect with a rifle who killed three cops and a police dog and wounded five others was taken into custody. Words fail me.

Just stop shooting young Black men, officers. Please.

If that guy had been Black officers would have disregarded their own safety and walked fearlessly into the home as he unloaded on him solely to have the pleasure of shooting a black person.

Jaylon Walker allegedly -- allegedly -- tossed one slug out the window of his car while being pursued by a half dozen squaddies. As he was running away he was wounded 60 times from at least eight cops' guns.

After actually killing three cops and a police dog Lance Storz got roughed up a bit while being taken into custody.

Black people who have complied with cop orders have been shot and many times killed. White people who brandish guns of all descriptions and make threats with them in public might be arrested sometimes but often walk; or are pardoned after conviction.

It's all pretty clear. No good cops in a racist system.

[Des-Bal]

Jaylon Walker allegedly -- allegedly -- tossed one slug out the window of his car while being pursued by a half dozen squaddies. As he was running away he was wounded 60 times from at least eight cops' guns.

After actually killing three cops and a police dog Lance Storz got roughed up a bit while being taken into custody.

Black people who have complied with cop orders have been shot and many times killed. White people who brandish guns of all descriptions and make threats with them in public might be arrested sometimes but often walk; or are pardoned after conviction.

It's all pretty clear. No good cops in a racist system.

Yeah some portion of that would matter if these were executions. It's not about whose acts were most deserving of being killed it's about who presented what was perceived as an immediate threat to the lives of others. Second guy wasn't killed because it was not possible to kill him at the time it would have been appropriate to.

[Big Bad Blue]

Jaylon Walker allegedly -- allegedly -- tossed one slug out the window of his car while being pursued by a half dozen squaddies. As he was running away he was wounded 60 times from at least eight cops' guns.

After actually killing three cops and a police dog Lance Storz got roughed up a bit while being taken into custody.

Black people who have complied with cop orders have been shot and many times killed. White people who brandish guns of all descriptions and make threats with them in public might be arrested sometimes but often walk; or are pardoned after conviction.

It's all pretty clear. No good cops in a racist system.

Yeah some portion of that would matter if these were executions. It's not about whose acts were most deserving of being killed it's about who presented what was perceived as an immediate threat to the lives of others. Second guy wasn't killed because it was not possible to kill him at the time it would have been appropriate to.

C'mon man. Second guy wasn't killed because he wasn't Black. Happens every day.

[Des-Bal]

C'mon man. Second guy wasn't killed because he wasn't Black. Happens every day.

Yeah so if he was black officers would have walked blindly into the house he was holed up in fearlessly laying down their lives in the hope that at least one of them could kill a black guy. Second guy couldn't be killed when it would be appropriate to kill him.

[Lanoraie II]

The crying and bitching about "wahh they brutalized this shooter but took this white one into custody without killing him" is inherently stupid and worthless. Different departments, different officers. Stop crying about that and instead decide whether you want a shooter to get shot or taken into custody peacefully as a blanket result.

[Des-Bal]

The crying and bitching about "wahh they brutalized this shooter but took this white one into custody without killing him" is inherently stupid and worthless. Different departments, different officers. Stop crying about that and instead decide whether you want a shooter to get shot or taken into custody peacefully as a blanket result.

It's not about the departments or officers it's wildly different situations. Officers weren't refusing to shoot and allowing themselves to be killed because they sensed the inherent humanity in the white shooter- he got the drop on them and bunkered down. The only time it was possible for anyone to shoot him was before they were aware of any threat and after he ceased to be a threat.

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... nd-walker/

Akron mayor lifts curfew imposed after police shooting of Jayland Walker

[Zerotaxia]

Abolish the police.
1. When seconds count, they're minutes away.
2. They have too much power and too little responsibility.
3. They have no duty to protect us (as per multiple court rulings), so why should we have a duty to pay them?
4. They don't serve the people but themselves and the state, and enforce repressive laws like lockdowns and mask mandates.
5. They can take your property even though you haven't been convicted of a crime (in some states).
6. They're sometimes more concerned with revenue generation and quotas than public safety.
7. Many cops have significant attitude/ego problems, especially when called out for their crooked conduct.
8. Better funding doesn't guarantee competence. A PD can have all the latest goodies, but like Uvalde, turn out to be limp dicks in an actual crisis.

[San Lumen]

Abolish the police.
1. When seconds count, they're minutes away.
2. They have too much power and too little responsibility.
3. They have no duty to protect us (as per multiple court rulings), so why should we have a duty to pay them?
4. They don't serve the people but themselves and the state, and enforce repressive laws like lockdowns and mask mandates.
5. They can take your property even though you haven't been convicted of a crime (in some states).
6. They're sometimes more concerned with revenue generation and quotas than public safety.
7. Many cops have significant attitude/ego problems, especially when called out for their crooked conduct.
8. Better funding doesn't guarantee competence. A PD can have all the latest goodies, but like Uvalde, turn out to be limp dicks in an actual crisis.

What is your proposed alternative?

[Galloism]

Abolish the police.
1. When seconds count, they're minutes away.
2. They have too much power and too little responsibility.
3. They have no duty to protect us (as per multiple court rulings), so why should we have a duty to pay them?
4. They don't serve the people but themselves and the state, and enforce repressive laws like lockdowns and mask mandates.
5. They can take your property even though you haven't been convicted of a crime (in some states).
6. They're sometimes more concerned with revenue generation and quotas than public safety.
7. Many cops have significant attitude/ego problems, especially when called out for their crooked conduct.
8. Better funding doesn't guarantee competence. A PD can have all the latest goodies, but like Uvalde, turn out to be limp dicks in an actual crisis.

What is your proposed alternative?

Near universal gun ownership, legalized private prosecutions with state funding.

[Zerotaxia]

Abolish the police.
1. When seconds count, they're minutes away.
2. They have too much power and too little responsibility.
3. They have no duty to protect us (as per multiple court rulings), so why should we have a duty to pay them?
4. They don't serve the people but themselves and the state, and enforce repressive laws like lockdowns and mask mandates.
5. They can take your property even though you haven't been convicted of a crime (in some states).
6. They're sometimes more concerned with revenue generation and quotas than public safety.
7. Many cops have significant attitude/ego problems, especially when called out for their crooked conduct.
8. Better funding doesn't guarantee competence. A PD can have all the latest goodies, but like Uvalde, turn out to be limp dicks in an actual crisis.

What is your proposed alternative?

Private security forces who are employed by and responsible to the people rather than the state.

[Saiwania]

The police are arguably a force that is "can't live with them, can't live without them." People complain if there are no police around to enforce basic laws and maintain some semblance of order if people descend into anarchy. For the economy to stay more stable, there has to be some protections for private property/business. And to break up riots, track down and stop shoplifters, and so on.

On the other hand, if police are overbearing, people want them gone. Which isn't a good solution if it brings people back to square one if/when that does happen. With the local state/government not having a monopoly on violence or enough legitimacy to back them up, it just means that whoever has the best weapons/resources or the most powerful war lord, asserts their will on everyone else who is weaker.

[Zerotaxia]

The police are arguably a force that is "can't live with them, can't live without them." People complain if there are no police around to enforce basic laws and maintain some semblance of order if people descend into anarchy. For the economy to stay more stable, there has to be some protections for private property/business. And to break up riots, track down and stop shoplifters, and so on.

Take the police out of the equation and arm the property owners directly.

With the local state/government not having a monopoly on violence or enough legitimacy to back them up, it just means that whoever has the best weapons/resources or the most powerful war lord, asserts their will on everyone else who is weaker.

There'd still be a military for situations like this.

[Thermodolia]

Abolish the police.
1. When seconds count, they're minutes away.
2. They have too much power and too little responsibility.
3. They have no duty to protect us (as per multiple court rulings), so why should we have a duty to pay them?
4. They don't serve the people but themselves and the state, and enforce repressive laws like lockdowns and mask mandates.
5. They can take your property even though you haven't been convicted of a crime (in some states).
6. They're sometimes more concerned with revenue generation and quotas than public safety.
7. Many cops have significant attitude/ego problems, especially when called out for their crooked conduct.
8. Better funding doesn't guarantee competence. A PD can have all the latest goodies, but like Uvalde, turn out to be limp dicks in an actual crisis.

Based.

[Fahran]

Private security forces who are employed by and responsible to the people rather than the state.

So deputized posses? You might not like how that turns out.

[Thermodolia]

Private security forces who are employed by and responsible to the people rather than the state.

So deputized posses? You might not like how that turns out.

Can’t be much worse than the current system

[Senkaku]

What is your proposed alternative?

Private security forces who are employed by and responsible to the people rather than the state.

“Private”, but responsible to the people; employed by “the people,” but not accountable to the state? How do you square those circles in a democratic society?

[Fahran]

Can’t be much worse than the current system

The last time deputized posses were the norm we had a decent number of shoot-outs and lynchings. Given the sorts of people who tend to volunteer for that work and the lack of any oversight whatsoever, I imagine it could get a great deal worse.