US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Albrenia]

It continues to baffle me that some can say the Democrats, bunch of rich old dudes grown fat on capitalism that they are, are in involved in a plot to make America a communist state.

Or that "police shouldn't act as judge, jury and executioner because everyone has the right to a fair trial" is somehow authoritarian communism in waiting.

The Soviet Union was well known for its judicial fairness, apparently.

[Gravlen]

That's incorrect, as have been pointed out multiple times.

Here, yet again:

Carl Hart, a Columbia University neuroscientist, said that human response to psychoactive drugs is far too complex to draw conclusions solely based on fentanyl concentrations, which fluctuate rapidly and can increase after death as the drug breaks down in the body.

“If the officer didn’t put his knee on George Floyd’s neck, he would most likely be alive today,” Hart said.

That opinion is consistent with the autopsy conducted by the county medical examiner’s office, which found that the death was caused by “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).”

A second postmortem examination, led by Dr. Michael Baden, an expert hired by the Floyd family, concluded that he was killed by asphyxiation.

In an interview, Baden said that regardless of anything Floyd said about breathing trouble, or drugs or underlying health problems, “He died because of the way he was restrained, period.”

I mean, the fact that the police in the US generally recieves poor training has been known for a long time now. That wouldn't excuse a murder, however, even if it should lead to a change in training (which it has, though by no means sufficiently).


Curiously you leave out the one organization you yourself say is likely to blame for their current plight: The Minneapolis Police Department.

In fact, of the organizations you mention, exactly none of them have any responsibility for the officers having been charged.


They have. You just haven't been paying attention. It's clear that the police in the US view black men as a bigger threat than any other demographic, and that fact is a part of the systemic racism which contributed to the death of one and the permanent injury of another.

Police departments in the United States are overdue for extensive reforms and need to be held accountable. Retraining and abolishing the knee-on-neck technique would be a good start. Yelling "racist" at the top of one's lungs doesn't address the issue of police brutality and impunity at all and is nothing more than a political diversionary tactic with which to demonize Trump and his supporters this coming election. Funny how these "anti-racist" protests and riots mostly tend to occur during an election year.

Not really, considering that every other year is an election year. Regardless, there were protests in non-election years as well, like the protests over the killing of Elijah McClain and Atatiana Jefferson in 2019, or the riots in Memphis following the shooting of Brandon Webber the same year.

Huh. It's almost as if it's not contained to election years...

This is obviously politically motivated.

Of course. The problems with extrajudicial killings, poor police training, systemic racism and police impunity are political ones, and can only be fixed through political solutions, so how can it not be politically motivated? What would the alternative be?

Expect these protests to either die down if Biden wins or intensify if Trump wins because throwing a tantrum and rioting like they did in 2016 obviously solves the problem. BLM, by inciting racial hatred and violence and contributing to political polarization, is hurting its own cause. Fundamentalist Christians critical of evolution were the extremists of the 2000s. BLM is the extremist, quasi-religious cult today.

While I don't think your characterisations of the BLM movement is correct, it's worth noting that 43% supported the BLM movement in 2016, compared to 55% today. I don't think your claim about hurting its own cause stands up to scrutiny.

The officers involved in Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are the victims of a sustained media witch hunt that shows no signs of dying down.

No, they aren't. They are facing the justice system due to their own actions.

I'm not defending the police as a whole nor have I done so in any way since the protests began precisely because of how the Hong Kong police have behaved toward peaceful pro-democracy protesters since the middle of last year as well as police violence against peaceful BLM protesters back in June. It's the reason I initially sympathized with BLM protesters in the beginning. I also originally believed, as did many on both the Right and the Left, that George Floyd was murdered.

We know he was the victim of a homicide. If it was murder, well, that remains to be seen. The trial will perhaps answer that for us.

I really hate being emotionally manipulated and lied to by radical leftists

But you're quite comfortable being lied to by everyone else, it seems. And lying yourself, for that matter.

(this is not the first time it's happened) and I feel bad for being in the wrong about Floyd's death all this time.

As presented above, your new claims about his cause of death is false.

It's better to judge American police officers and departments on a case-by-case basis instead of resorting to blanket condemnations or commendations as both sides have been wont to do. I'm not going to chant Blue Lives Matter or "law and order". I also acknowledge that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful even if I find their rhetoric hateful, cringy, and distasteful. I respect their right to peacefully protest and I condemn the police brutality against peaceful protesters that occurred back in June that I haven't been seeing much of since then.

Yeah, it's easy to stop paying attention. It can get overwhelming.

I literally watched the entire bodycam and civilian bystander video sequence of the events leading up to George Floyd's death. At no point was the officers' treatment of Floyd even remotely racist, systemic or no.

The thing with systemic racism is that it's hard to see directly because it often isn't overt. Like how black men get longer sentences for the same crime compared to other groups: If you just look at single cases you won't see the pattern.

One may legitimately question their methods and training without going off an irrelevant tangent about "systemic racism" or "white supremacy" or ranting about how whiteness is an original sin that needs to be cleansed through constant prayer and repentance. You have nothing to go on but your opinion that police officers who happen to be white killing suspects who happen to be black proves anything at all.

I do, but as you show in the following:

Moreover, correlation doesn't imply causation. And I've already dismissed all of these critical race theory-laced sociology "studies" "proving" systemic racism exists as Marxist ideological propaganda, so don't even bother with that either. See Grievance studies affair for more info on these so-called "studies" and how they are all part of a broader political agenda (by some, not all, leftists and Democrats) to turn the USA into a communist clone of the PRC in all but name. It's absolutely insidious.

You say that you won't listen to any evidence, so why bother?

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[Estanglia]

That's incorrect, as have been pointed out multiple times.

Here, yet again:

Carl Hart, a Columbia University neuroscientist, said that human response to psychoactive drugs is far too complex to draw conclusions solely based on fentanyl concentrations, which fluctuate rapidly and can increase after death as the drug breaks down in the body.

“If the officer didn’t put his knee on George Floyd’s neck, he would most likely be alive today,” Hart said.

That opinion is consistent with the autopsy conducted by the county medical examiner’s office, which found that the death was caused by “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).”

A second postmortem examination, led by Dr. Michael Baden, an expert hired by the Floyd family, concluded that he was killed by asphyxiation.

In an interview, Baden said that regardless of anything Floyd said about breathing trouble, or drugs or underlying health problems, “He died because of the way he was restrained, period.”

I mean, the fact that the police in the US generally recieves poor training has been known for a long time now. That wouldn't excuse a murder, however, even if it should lead to a change in training (which it has, though by no means sufficiently).


Curiously you leave out the one organization you yourself say is likely to blame for their current plight: The Minneapolis Police Department.

In fact, of the organizations you mention, exactly none of them have any responsibility for the officers having been charged.


They have. You just haven't been paying attention. It's clear that the police in the US view black men as a bigger threat than any other demographic, and that fact is a part of the systemic racism which contributed to the death of one and the permanent injury of another.

Police departments in the United States are overdue for extensive reforms and need to be held accountable. Retraining and abolishing the knee-on-neck technique would be a good start. Yelling "racist" at the top of one's lungs doesn't address the issue of police brutality and impunity at all and is nothing more than a political diversionary tactic with which to demonize Trump and his supporters this coming election. Funny how these "anti-racist" protests and riots mostly tend to occur during an election year. This is obviously politically motivated. Expect these protests to either die down if Biden wins or intensify if Trump wins because throwing a tantrum and rioting like they did in 2016 obviously solves the problem. BLM, by inciting racial hatred and violence and contributing to political polarization, is hurting its own cause. Fundamentalist Christians critical of evolution were the extremists of the 2000s. BLM is the extremist, quasi-religious cult today.

The officers involved in Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are the victims of a sustained media witch hunt that shows no signs of dying down. I'm not defending the police as a whole nor have I done so in any way since the protests began precisely because of how the Hong Kong police have behaved toward peaceful pro-democracy protesters since the middle of last year as well as police violence against peaceful BLM protesters back in June. It's the reason I initially sympathized with BLM protesters in the beginning. I also originally believed, as did many on both the Right and the Left, that George Floyd was murdered. I really hate being emotionally manipulated and lied to by radical leftists (this is not the first time it's happened) and I feel bad for being in the wrong about Floyd's death all this time. It's better to judge American police officers and departments on a case-by-case basis instead of resorting to blanket condemnations or commendations as both sides have been wont to do. I'm not going to chant Blue Lives Matter or "law and order". I also acknowledge that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful even if I find their rhetoric hateful, cringy, and distasteful. I respect their right to peacefully protest and I condemn the police brutality against peaceful protesters that occurred back in June that I haven't been seeing much of since then.

I literally watched the entire bodycam and civilian bystander video sequence of the events leading up to George Floyd's death. At no point was the officers' treatment of Floyd even remotely racist, systemic or no. One may legitimately question their methods and training without going off an irrelevant tangent about "systemic racism" or "white supremacy" or ranting about how whiteness is an original sin that needs to be cleansed through constant prayer and repentance. You have nothing to go on but your opinion that police officers who happen to be white killing suspects who happen to be black proves anything at all. Moreover, correlation doesn't imply causation. And I've already dismissed all of these critical race theory-laced sociology "studies" "proving" systemic racism exists as Marxist ideological propaganda, so don't even bother with that either. See Grievance studies affair for more info on these so-called "studies" and how they are all part of a broader political agenda (by some, not all, leftists and Democrats) to turn the USA into a communist clone of the PRC in all but name. It's absolutely insidious.

So you had three paragraphs of response to someone pointing out your "George Floyd died of fentanyl" claim is bullshit. What do you do? Spew "BLM is racist!!!", and double down on said bullshit claim.

For someone who "doesn't blanket support the police", you sure do love trying to justify their actions on the basis of a super shaky coincidence (that I strongly doubt would pardon them of any wrongdoing if it was some miracle coincidence), then using that coincidence to spew three paragraphs of anti-BLM hate.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Police departments in the United States are overdue for extensive reforms and need to be held accountable. Retraining and abolishing the knee-on-neck technique would be a good start. Yelling "racist" at the top of one's lungs doesn't address the issue of police brutality and impunity at all and is nothing more than a political diversionary tactic with which to demonize Trump and his supporters this coming election. Funny how these "anti-racist" protests and riots mostly tend to occur during an election year.

Not really, considering that every other year is an election year. Regardless, there were protests in non-election years as well, like the protests over the killing of Elijah McClain and Atatiana Jefferson in 2019, or the riots in Memphis following the shooting of Brandon Webber the same year.

Huh. It's almost as if it's not contained to election years...

Funny how the BLM riots and Marxist agenda only took on a truly global and far-reaching prominence in 2020. Funny how I've never heard of Tatiana Jefferson or Brandon Webber and have only a vague recollection of an Elijah McClain. The riots weren't prominent enough then, apparently. I did say mostly confined to election years.

This is obviously politically motivated.

Of course. The problems with extrajudicial killings, poor police training, systemic racism and police impunity are political ones, and can only be fixed through political solutions, so how can it not be politically motivated? What would the alternative be?

Condemn police brutality and demonstrate for reforms without inserting any racist nonsense. Use a less divisive slogan (i.e. All Lives Matter) that unites rather than divides Americans. Disavow Antifa, critical race theory, racial scapegoating, grievance politics, affirmative action and free handouts, the oppression Olympics, intersectionality and identitarian Marxism, and focus entirely on law enforcement without any regard for race. Stop judging people by the color of their skin and start judging them by the content of their character. (And no, MLK Jr. did not advocate rioting.) Stop treating members of different races as part of a monolithic whole and start treating them as individuals. Reject communistic and fascistic groupthink. Stop behaving like a dogmatic, religious cult and crucifying people you disagree with. Especially cultural rebels and dissidents such as myself. It's not too late to start now.

If the Left had done all of these things from the very outset instead of embracing overt racism masquerading as social justice AKA revenge against evil whitey and calling everyone else a racist and a bigot over and over ad nauseam, I don't think I would be supporting Donald Trump right now. The sheer audacity of these BLM leftists forced me to hop off the fence and pick a side more than a month ago, and unfortunately for them, it's not their side. Tough cookies.

Expect these protests to either die down if Biden wins or intensify if Trump wins because throwing a tantrum and rioting like they did in 2016 obviously solves the problem. BLM, by inciting racial hatred and violence and contributing to political polarization, is hurting its own cause. Fundamentalist Christians critical of evolution were the extremists of the 2000s. BLM is the extremist, quasi-religious cult today.

While I don't think your characterisations of the BLM movement is correct, it's worth noting that 43% supported the BLM movement in 2016, compared to 55% today. I don't think your claim about hurting its own cause stands up to scrutiny.

Well, if BLM is successful in achieving its goals of racial division and discrimination because of muh CeNtUrIeS oF HuMiLiAtIoN, then systemic, institutional racism at all levels of society will become a stark reality in the United States courtesy of the far-left. If the Democrats win the election, then it will mean that Americans endorse legally-sanctioned racial discrimination against whites, Asians, and Jews, and racial favoritism and coddling of Arabs, Muslims, and African-Americans due to historical grievances. It will mean Americans favor revenge and perpetual racial humiliation and subjugation over healing and reconciliation.

America will be no better and no less racist than my officially racist home country of Malaysia where we economically successful Malaysian Chinese have been routinely scapegoated and told for decades to acknowledge our inferior place in the racial pecking order (check our privilege) by a politically dominant, perpetually envious, Malay-Muslim majority regime that practices ethnic favoritism and crony capitalism that only benefits a tiny elite and encourages sloth and mediocrity among ordinary Malays, or South Africa with its chants of "kill the Boers" and racially-motivated murders of white farm owners while black South Africans, African-Americans, Malays, Arabs, so-called Palestinians, and Muslims have been taught by classic, far-right racial supremacists and far-left identitarian Marxists alike to expect free handouts and favorable treatment while poor white South Africans, Malaysian Chinese and Indians, and poor whites in the USA can starve and rot to death in the streets because they are "privileged".

This is what you unironically advocate and I will not stand for it. This is what I wholeheartedly and unequivocally condemn and denounce with all of my heart. Black Lives Matter is an overtly racist ideology. All Lives Matter is the cure. I will not compromise on racism, especially overt racism such as Black Economic Empowerment, ketuanan Melayu, or Black Lives Matter. Or white supremacy, for that matter. Donald Trump stands against racism and bigotry. Joe Biden, the Democrats, and the Left stand for it.

The officers involved in Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are the victims of a sustained media witch hunt that shows no signs of dying down.

No, they aren't. They are facing the justice system due to their own actions.

The officers are guilty, at most, of being poorly trained. At the very most, Minneapolis PD is to blame for the outcome even if Floyd did die of asphyxiation and not a drug overdose. Minneapolis PD could be sued accordingly. And if a lawsuit isn't possible due to qualified immunity or whatever you call it, then that needs to change. Speaking of autopsy reports:

A memorandum filed by the Hennepin County Attorney’s office on June 1 indicated that chief medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, who listed Floyd’s death as a homicide, thought the amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was “pretty high” and could be “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.”

“[Dr. Baker] said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death,” the memo said.

According to another memo on June 1, Dr. Baker told investigators that while Floyd had a high amount of fentanyl in his system, he was “not saying this killed him."

If the level of fentanyl in his system was fatal, then Floyd died of a drug overdose. If fentanyl didn't kill him, it was not a fatal overdose.

Former New York City chief medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden, who performed an autopsy for Floyd’s family that also determined his death was a homicide, explained that the amount of fentanyl that was in Floyd's system can have vastly different effects on different people.

“Like all narcotics, there’s a wide range of what’s lethal or not, because it all depends on the tolerance of the individual from whom the blood has been drawn,” Baden, a Fox News contributor, said Thursday. “So clearly, that could be fatal to some people, not necessarily for others. But the circumstances of death are very important, especially in this case.”

Baker listed in his autopsy that Floyd's death was the result of a “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” Other significant conditions were listed as “arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use.”

While both medical examiners conclude that Floyd's death was a homicide, their elaborations with regards to fentanyl and methamphetamine intoxication leave plenty of room for interpretation.

A federal evaluation performed by the Office of the Armed Forces medical examiner agreed with Baker’s findings that Floyd’s heart stopped while cops were restraining him.

Coincidence?

“His death was caused by the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine and fentanyl intoxication,” officials from the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner wrote. “The subdual and restraint had elements of positional and mechanical asphyxiation. … We concur with the reported manner of death of homicide.”

Even more telling from the bodycam footage is the fact that Floyd yelled "I can't breathe" before he was pinned down.

I'm not defending the police as a whole nor have I done so in any way since the protests began precisely because of how the Hong Kong police have behaved toward peaceful pro-democracy protesters since the middle of last year as well as police violence against peaceful BLM protesters back in June. It's the reason I initially sympathized with BLM protesters in the beginning. I also originally believed, as did many on both the Right and the Left, that George Floyd was murdered.

We know he was the victim of a homicide. If it was murder, well, that remains to be seen. The trial will perhaps answer that for us.

We don't really know for sure. I'm also not aware there was any difference between murder and homicide, the latter being a chiefly American legal term. Even if we grant that neck compression was the sole cause of Floyd's death, that says more about the officers' training and less about their alleged motives. Not that such inconvenient details matter to BLM. In their racial paranoia, they will latch on to just about anything that fits their narrative. Even if it turns out I'm totally wrong about the exact cause of Floyd's death and the officers are ultimately convicted, and even if Floyd was deliberately murdered in cold blood, it still doesn't make the incident remotely racist in any way. The BLM riots in response to Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are still based on a demonstrably unfalsifiable assumption of "systemic racism" and "white supremacy". This is pure, woke, racist, wishy-washy, feel-good, virtue-signaling BS that simply does not hold up to scrutiny.

I really hate being emotionally manipulated and lied to by radical leftists

But you're quite comfortable being lied to by everyone else, it seems. And lying yourself, for that matter.

I have not been lied to by "everyone else" whoever they may be. And don't assume my motives.

(this is not the first time it's happened) and I feel bad for being in the wrong about Floyd's death all this time.

As presented above, your new claims about his cause of death is false.

See above.

It's better to judge American police officers and departments on a case-by-case basis instead of resorting to blanket condemnations or commendations as both sides have been wont to do. I'm not going to chant Blue Lives Matter or "law and order". I also acknowledge that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful even if I find their rhetoric hateful, cringy, and distasteful. I respect their right to peacefully protest and I condemn the police brutality against peaceful protesters that occurred back in June that I haven't been seeing much of since then.

Yeah, it's easy to stop paying attention. It can get overwhelming.

Nah. I don't live in America. This is an outsider's perspective. I haven't been seeing that many reports of police brutality from where I'm from. And I condemn them if they do crop up. I watched an over 40-minute-long video by Subverse covering a protest/riot (it's a bit of both) outside a federal courthouse in Portland. There was only one clear instance of police violence: an officer, unprovoked, shoves a protester/rioter to the ground for apparently no reason. Maybe he was insulted or something? Still unacceptable and unprofessional. Other protesters rightly round on the officer who retreats. The officer shines a bright light in the protesters' faces. His expression says it all. What a jerk.

Political rhetoric aside, I see a mixture of violence and peaceful chanting and even singing, rapping, and instruments being played on the part of the protesters. The rapper is a topless punk. The police appear to respond to attempts to level the makeshift barrier and besiege the courthouse with tear gas. Protesters respond with fireworks. Laser pointers aimed at officers' faces. Totally harmless. Laser pointers where used in Hong Kong. I could go on, but all-in-all, a messy situation with no obvious good guys, although I would conclude that the protesters/rioters seemed to be more in the wrong than the officers in this particular instance. They were the aggressors for attempting to trash a federal building because of god-knows-what.

I literally watched the entire bodycam and civilian bystander video sequence of the events leading up to George Floyd's death. At no point was the officers' treatment of Floyd even remotely racist, systemic or no.

The thing with systemic racism is that it's hard to see directly because it often isn't overt. Like how black men get longer sentences for the same crime compared to other groups: If you just look at single cases you won't see the pattern.

That's because there is none.

One may legitimately question their methods and training without going off an irrelevant tangent about "systemic racism" or "white supremacy" or ranting about how whiteness is an original sin that needs to be cleansed through constant prayer and repentance. You have nothing to go on but your opinion that police officers who happen to be white killing suspects who happen to be black proves anything at all.

I do, but as you show in the following:

Moreover, correlation doesn't imply causation. And I've already dismissed all of these critical race theory-laced sociology "studies" "proving" systemic racism exists as Marxist ideological propaganda, so don't even bother with that either. See Grievance studies affair for more info on these so-called "studies" and how they are all part of a broader political agenda (by some, not all, leftists and Democrats) to turn the USA into a communist clone of the PRC in all but name. It's absolutely insidious.

You say that you won't listen to any evidence, so why bother?

That's because there is none.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

Police departments in the United States are overdue for extensive reforms and need to be held accountable. Retraining and abolishing the knee-on-neck technique would be a good start. Yelling "racist" at the top of one's lungs doesn't address the issue of police brutality and impunity at all and is nothing more than a political diversionary tactic with which to demonize Trump and his supporters this coming election. Funny how these "anti-racist" protests and riots mostly tend to occur during an election year. This is obviously politically motivated. Expect these protests to either die down if Biden wins or intensify if Trump wins because throwing a tantrum and rioting like they did in 2016 obviously solves the problem. BLM, by inciting racial hatred and violence and contributing to political polarization, is hurting its own cause. Fundamentalist Christians critical of evolution were the extremists of the 2000s. BLM is the extremist, quasi-religious cult today.

The officers involved in Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are the victims of a sustained media witch hunt that shows no signs of dying down. I'm not defending the police as a whole nor have I done so in any way since the protests began precisely because of how the Hong Kong police have behaved toward peaceful pro-democracy protesters since the middle of last year as well as police violence against peaceful BLM protesters back in June. It's the reason I initially sympathized with BLM protesters in the beginning. I also originally believed, as did many on both the Right and the Left, that George Floyd was murdered. I really hate being emotionally manipulated and lied to by radical leftists (this is not the first time it's happened) and I feel bad for being in the wrong about Floyd's death all this time. It's better to judge American police officers and departments on a case-by-case basis instead of resorting to blanket condemnations or commendations as both sides have been wont to do. I'm not going to chant Blue Lives Matter or "law and order". I also acknowledge that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful even if I find their rhetoric hateful, cringy, and distasteful. I respect their right to peacefully protest and I condemn the police brutality against peaceful protesters that occurred back in June that I haven't been seeing much of since then.

I literally watched the entire bodycam and civilian bystander video sequence of the events leading up to George Floyd's death. At no point was the officers' treatment of Floyd even remotely racist, systemic or no. One may legitimately question their methods and training without going off an irrelevant tangent about "systemic racism" or "white supremacy" or ranting about how whiteness is an original sin that needs to be cleansed through constant prayer and repentance. You have nothing to go on but your opinion that police officers who happen to be white killing suspects who happen to be black proves anything at all. Moreover, correlation doesn't imply causation. And I've already dismissed all of these critical race theory-laced sociology "studies" "proving" systemic racism exists as Marxist ideological propaganda, so don't even bother with that either. See Grievance studies affair for more info on these so-called "studies" and how they are all part of a broader political agenda (by some, not all, leftists and Democrats) to turn the USA into a communist clone of the PRC in all but name. It's absolutely insidious.

So you had three paragraphs of response to someone pointing out your "George Floyd died of fentanyl" claim is bullshit. What do you do? Spew "BLM is racist!!!", and double down on said bullshit claim.

For someone who "doesn't blanket support the police", you sure do love trying to justify their actions on the basis of a super shaky coincidence (that I strongly doubt would pardon them of any wrongdoing if it was some miracle coincidence), then using that coincidence to spew three paragraphs of anti-BLM hate.

I'm only commenting on this particular case, not defending law enforcement officers in general. And BLM itself is the hate movement. I can't help but call out racism whenever it rears its ugly head. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Estanglia]

So you had three paragraphs of response to someone pointing out your "George Floyd died of fentanyl" claim is bullshit. What do you do? Spew "BLM is racist!!!", and double down on said bullshit claim.

For someone who "doesn't blanket support the police", you sure do love trying to justify their actions on the basis of a super shaky coincidence (that I strongly doubt would pardon them of any wrongdoing if it was some miracle coincidence), then using that coincidence to spew three paragraphs of anti-BLM hate.

I'm only commenting on this particular case, not defending law enforcement officers in general. And BLM itself is the hate movement. I can't help but call out racism whenever it rears its ugly head. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Can't help but call out racism by painting a large, vague movement with a broad brush and ignore pretty much any of their arguments that fall outside of that broad-brush characterisation, but will willingly leap to the defence of the people whose actions kick-started the "racist" movement with the flimsiest of arguments.

[Estanglia]

Use a less divisive slogan (i.e. All Lives Matter) that unites rather than divides Americans.

If the slogan Black Lives Matter is divisive to Americans, that's a problem with Americans, not with the slogan Black Lives Matter.

If the statement that Black Lives Matter divides you, you're the one with the problem. If swapping "Black" with "All" fixes that for you, your problem was completely irrelevant and there's no point appeasing you. If it doesn't, you're the type of people the people under the slogan oppose and there's no point appeasing you.

[Vassenor]

So you had three paragraphs of response to someone pointing out your "George Floyd died of fentanyl" claim is bullshit. What do you do? Spew "BLM is racist!!!", and double down on said bullshit claim.

For someone who "doesn't blanket support the police", you sure do love trying to justify their actions on the basis of a super shaky coincidence (that I strongly doubt would pardon them of any wrongdoing if it was some miracle coincidence), then using that coincidence to spew three paragraphs of anti-BLM hate.

I'm only commenting on this particular case, not defending law enforcement officers in general. And BLM itself is the hate movement. I can't help but call out racism whenever it rears its ugly head. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Remember, asserting that the police shouldn't be able to act as judge, jury and executioner is big time racial hate.

[Gravlen]

Not really, considering that every other year is an election year. Regardless, there were protests in non-election years as well, like the protests over the killing of Elijah McClain and Atatiana Jefferson in 2019, or the riots in Memphis following the shooting of Brandon Webber the same year.

Huh. It's almost as if it's not contained to election years...

Funny how the BLM riots and Marxist agenda only took on a truly global and far-reaching prominence in 2020. Funny how I've never heard of Tatiana Jefferson or Brandon Webber and have only a vague recollection of an Elijah McClain. The riots weren't prominent enough then, apparently.

Atatiana. The fact that you're not paying attention does not speak to the prominence (or lack thereof) of anything.

I did say mostly confined to election years.

You did, and that still does not appear to be accurate.

Of course. The problems with extrajudicial killings, poor police training, systemic racism and police impunity are political ones, and can only be fixed through political solutions, so how can it not be politically motivated? What would the alternative be?

Condemn police brutality and demonstrate for reforms without inserting any racist nonsense.

That would still be politically motivated demonstrations.

Use a less divisive slogan (i.e. All Lives Matter) that unites rather than divides Americans.

Use a meaningless slogan which doesn't upset the people who approve of the status quo? Nah.

Disavow Antifa, critical race theory, racial scapegoating, grievance politics, affirmative action and free handouts, the oppression Olympics, intersectionality and identitarian Marxism, and focus entirely on law enforcement without any regard for race. Stop judging people by the color of their skin and start judging them by the content of their character. (And no, MLK Jr. did not advocate rioting.) Stop treating members of different races as part of a monolithic whole and start treating them as individuals. Reject communistic and fascistic groupthink. Stop behaving like a dogmatic, religious cult and crucifying people you disagree with. Especially cultural rebels and dissidents such as myself. It's not too late to start now.

If the Left had done all of these things from the very outset instead of embracing overt racism masquerading as social justice AKA revenge against evil whitey and calling everyone else a racist and a bigot over and over ad nauseam, I don't think I would be supporting Donald Trump right now. The sheer audacity of these BLM leftists forced me to hop off the fence and pick a side more than a month ago, and unfortunately for them, it's not their side. Tough cookies.

Without further comparisons, this does sound like someone saying "I probably wouldn't be supporting Hitler if those violent jews hadn't tried to kill him."

I mean, the only thing your statement conveys is that you were never going to support the demand for social change and anti-racist policies anyway.

While I don't think your characterisations of the BLM movement is correct, it's worth noting that 43% supported the BLM movement in 2016, compared to 55% today. I don't think your claim about hurting its own cause stands up to scrutiny.

Well, if BLM is successful in achieving its goals of racial division and discrimination because of muh CeNtUrIeS oF HuMiLiAtIoN, then systemic, institutional racism at all levels of society will become a stark reality in the United States courtesy of the far-left. If the Democrats win the election, then it will mean that Americans endorse legally-sanctioned racial discrimination against whites, Asians, and Jews, and racial favoritism and coddling of Arabs, Muslims, and African-Americans due to historical grievances. It will mean Americans favor revenge and perpetual racial humiliation and subjugation over healing and reconciliation.

No it won't. Don't be absurd.

America will be no better and no less racist than my officially racist home country of Malaysia where we economically successful Malaysian Chinese have been routinely scapegoated and told for decades to acknowledge our inferior place in the racial pecking order (check our privilege) by a politically dominant, perpetually envious, Malay-Muslim majority regime that practices ethnic favoritism and crony capitalism that only benefits a tiny elite and encourages sloth and mediocrity among ordinary Malays, or South Africa with its chants of "kill the Boers" and racially-motivated murders of white farm owners while black South Africans, African-Americans, Malays, Arabs, so-called Palestinians, and Muslims have been taught by classic, far-right racial supremacists and far-left identitarian Marxists alike to expect free handouts and favorable treatment while poor white South Africans, Malaysian Chinese and Indians, and poor whites in the USA can starve and rot to death in the streets because they are "privileged".

This is what you unironically advocate

False.

and I will not stand for it. This is what I wholeheartedly and unequivocally condemn and denounce with all of my heart. Black Lives Matter is an overtly racist ideology. All Lives Matter is the cure. I will not compromise on racism, especially overt racism such as Black Economic Empowerment, ketuanan Melayu, or Black Lives Matter. Or white supremacy, for that matter. Donald Trump stands against racism and bigotry. Joe Biden, the Democrats, and the Left stand for it.

No. You got that ass backwards, and you're clearly ignoring everything Trump has said and done.

No, they aren't. They are facing the justice system due to their own actions.

The officers are guilty, at most, of being poorly trained.

No. At most, second-degree murder. According to the criminal complaint, police are trained that the neck restraint that Chauvin applied "with a subject in prone position is inherently dangerous".

At the very most, Minneapolis PD is to blame for the outcome even if Floyd did die of asphyxiation and not a drug overdose. Minneapolis PD could be sued accordingly. And if a lawsuit isn't possible due to qualified immunity or whatever you call it, then that needs to change.

The family of George Floyd have filed a lawsuit against the Police Department. Chauvin has no basis for any lawsuit against the Department.

Speaking of autopsy reports:

A memorandum filed by the Hennepin County Attorney’s office on June 1 indicated that chief medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, who listed Floyd’s death as a homicide, thought the amount of fentanyl in Floyd’s blood was “pretty high” and could be “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.”

“[Dr. Baker] said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death,” the memo said.

According to another memo on June 1, Dr. Baker told investigators that while Floyd had a high amount of fentanyl in his system, he was “not saying this killed him."

If the level of fentanyl in his system was fatal, then Floyd died of a drug overdose. If fentanyl didn't kill him, it was not a fatal overdose.

If the level of fentanyl in his system had been fatal, the conclusion would not have been homicide. Which it was.

Former New York City chief medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden, who performed an autopsy for Floyd’s family that also determined his death was a homicide, explained that the amount of fentanyl that was in Floyd's system can have vastly different effects on different people.

“Like all narcotics, there’s a wide range of what’s lethal or not, because it all depends on the tolerance of the individual from whom the blood has been drawn,” Baden, a Fox News contributor, said Thursday. “So clearly, that could be fatal to some people, not necessarily for others. But the circumstances of death are very important, especially in this case.”

Baker listed in his autopsy that Floyd's death was the result of a “cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression.” Other significant conditions were listed as “arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use.”

While both medical examiners conclude that Floyd's death was a homicide, their elaborations with regards to fentanyl and methamphetamine intoxication leave plenty of room for interpretation.

Why does that matter when both conclude that his death was a homicide?

A federal evaluation performed by the Office of the Armed Forces medical examiner agreed with Baker’s findings that Floyd’s heart stopped while cops were restraining him.

Coincidence?

“His death was caused by the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine and fentanyl intoxication,” officials from the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner wrote. “The subdual and restraint had elements of positional and mechanical asphyxiation. … We concur with the reported manner of death of homicide.”

Even more telling from the bodycam footage is the fact that Floyd yelled "I can't breathe" before he was pinned down.

We know he was the victim of a homicide. If it was murder, well, that remains to be seen. The trial will perhaps answer that for us.

We don't really know for sure. I'm also not aware there was any difference between murder and homicide, the latter being a chiefly American legal term.

Ah. This explains why your understanding of the situation is fundamentally flawed.

"Homicide" means that a person has been killed by another person. It says nothing about whether the killing was legal, justifiable, or criminal.
"Murder" is a legal term, describing one form of homicide. A homicide which is murder is an unlawful killing.

Here's a random lawyer explaining it in basic terms:

Homicide is simply the killing of one person by another. It may or may not be illegal. Soldiers in battle commit homicide without committing a crime. Citizens kill intruders without committing a crime. So, what is it that separates a legal homicide from an illegal murder? And, what makes one killing a murder and another a manslaughter?

Murder is a homicide committed with “malice aforethought.” That doesn’t mean it is a malicious killing. Malice aforethought is the common law way of saying that it is an unjustified killing. And, for a killing to be a murder, there typically has to be either an intent to kill, or, at minimum, conduct so reckless that it is punishable as murder.

Murder usually is broken down into degrees. First degree murder punishes premeditated killings, the killing of especially vulnerable people (such as children), and unintended killings done while intentionally committing another serious felony. This last kind of first degree murder is called felony murder.

Most people equate premeditation with long term planning. However, in most criminal codes premeditation doesn’t mean that the killing was planned for weeks or days. Premeditation often is defined as any planning or design to cause the death before the act of killing occurred. Second degree murder usually includes all intentional killings that are not premeditated, and some killings that resulted from conduct so reckless it showed a grave indifference to the sanctity of human life or the welfare of others.

As mentioned above, felony murder is a subset of either first degree murder and, in some criminal codes, voluntary manslaughter. It punishes people who didn’t actually do the killing. If a person participates in the commission of a felony, and that felony caused someone’s death, all the participants in the felony can be charged with murder. Common examples of this include the get-away driver in a convenience store robbery who is charged with felony murder after the actual robber shoots the clerk. Or, the burglar who inadvertently scares a home owner so badly that the home owner dies of a heart attack.

So what does this mean for the case of George Floyd? Well, it means that all of the medical experts agree that his death was caused by another (i.e. a homicide). His death was not caused by himself (i.e. not a suicide).

The medical experts cannot say if it was a murder, because that's not something medical experts can determine. That's where the criminal justice system comes in, and examines intent, circumstances, excuses and justifications etc.

Even if we grant that neck compression was the sole cause of Floyd's death, that says more about the officers' training and less about their alleged motives. Not that such inconvenient details matter to BLM.

Nor the police and prosecutor's office either, I guess?

In their racial paranoia, they will latch on to just about anything that fits their narrative. Even if it turns out I'm totally wrong about the exact cause of Floyd's death

Which you are, as you yourself have proven above.

and the officers are ultimately convicted, and even if Floyd was deliberately murdered in cold blood, it still doesn't make the incident remotely racist in any way. The BLM riots in response to Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are still based on a demonstrably unfalsifiable assumption of "systemic racism" and "white supremacy". This is pure, woke, racist, wishy-washy, feel-good, virtue-signaling BS that simply does not hold up to scrutiny.

On the contrary, the claim of "systemic racism" can be tested. The fact that you deny studies because you don't like their conclusions doesn't change that fact.

But you're quite comfortable being lied to by everyone else, it seems. And lying yourself, for that matter.

I have not been lied to by "everyone else" whoever they may be. And don't assume my motives.

I don't assume, I conclude based on your written text. It's overt, you're not being stealthy about it.

As presented above, your new claims about his cause of death is false.

See above.

Yeah, it's easy to stop paying attention. It can get overwhelming.

Nah. I don't live in America. This is an outsider's perspective. I haven't been seeing that many reports of police brutality from where I'm from. And I condemn them if they do crop up. I watched an over 40-minute-long video by Subverse covering a protest/riot (it's a bit of both) outside a federal courthouse in Portland. There was only one clear instance of police violence: an officer, unprovoked, shoves a protester/rioter to the ground for apparently no reason. Maybe he was insulted or something? Still unacceptable and unprofessional. Other protesters rightly round on the officer who retreats. The officer shines a bright light in the protesters' faces. His expression says it all. What a jerk.

So as I said.

Political rhetoric aside, I see a mixture of violence and peaceful chanting and even singing, rapping, and instruments being played on the part of the protesters. The rapper is a topless punk. The police appear to respond to attempts to level the makeshift barrier and besiege the courthouse with tear gas. Protesters respond with fireworks. Laser pointers aimed at officers' faces. Totally harmless. Laser pointers where used in Hong Kong. I could go on, but all-in-all, a messy situation with no obvious good guys, although I would conclude that the protesters/rioters seemed to be more in the wrong than the officers in this particular instance. They were the aggressors for attempting to trash a federal building because of god-knows-what.

The thing with systemic racism is that it's hard to see directly because it often isn't overt. Like how black men get longer sentences for the same crime compared to other groups: If you just look at single cases you won't see the pattern.

That's because there is none.

Why does Black male offenders receive 19% longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders?

Why are Black men stopped more frequently by the police when driving than White men, but only during daylight hours when the police can see that they're stopping Black people?

I do, but as you show in the following:


You say that you won't listen to any evidence, so why bother?

That's because there is none.

There are. You just choose to be wilfully blind, which isn't a particularly convincing tactic.

[Valrifell]

Colorado police officer leaves black woman tied upside down for 21 minutes in the back of the patrol car.

Footage released by the Aurora Police Department during a civil service commission appeal hearing on Sept. 29 shows former Officer Levi Huffine “punishing” a Black woman in police custody by leaving her hogtied in a face-down position in the back of a patrol car in the Denver, Colorado, suburb for 21 minutes.

Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson said the car video shows that Huffine “tortured” the woman, adding that she was disgusted by the footage.

Shataean Kelly, 28, was arrested on municipal charges following a fight on Aug. 27, 2019. Bodycam footage shows that Huffine hogtied Kelly’s hands to her feet after he claimed she attempted to escape by trying to open the locks in the back of the cruiser.

Wilson said that the locks in the back of the cruiser do not open and restraining Kelly in that way was unnecessary.

“The hobbling in my opinion was another form of punishment,” said Wilson.

During the drive to the jail, Kelly slipped off the seat with her hands and feet still cuffed together behind her back, and wound up pinned to the floor of the vehicle in a face-down position.

An internal investigation found that Kelly remained in that position for 21 minutes. She pleaded with Huffine for help during the trip.

“Please help me up, officer! I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe, officer!”

Wilson said Kelly could have died from positional asphyxia.

“I’m about to break my neck,” she cried out as she was pinned on her face with her hips above her head. “I don’t want to die like this!”

Huffine never responded to Kelly’s pleas.

At one point, Kelly referred to Huffine as “master,” saying: “I beg you, master,” while pleading with him for help.

“As an African-American female she denigrates herself to the point she actually calls him ‘master.’ To me that is disgusting,” said Wilson.

Charges against Kelly related to her arrest have been dropped.

Officials considered bringing charges against Huffine but decided against it because Kelly was not seriously injured. He was fired by Wilson in February, six months after the incident, after the chief overruled the review board’s recommendation that Huffine receive a 180-hour suspension. At the time, the details surrounding Huffine’s termination were not revealed, and the department did not specify beyond saying he was fired over “severe misconduct.”

The ongoing hearing that commenced after Huffine appealed his termination will result in a decision made by the city’s four-person civil service commission, who will decide whether Huffine should keep his job. Huffine claimed he was too short to be able to see what was happening in the back seat during the drive to the jail.


University of Colorado Denver professor of criminal justice Dr. Paul Taylor testified at the hearing and said it is not a good practice to keep a person hobbled without a seatbelt on. “There is a tendency for people to people either roll off or fall of the seat and onto the floorboard,” he said.

Wilson said Huffine is lucky Kelly did not die, becuse otherwise he would be “in an orange jumpsuit right now.”

Huffine is scheduled to testify again on Oct. 1.

Well, now I’m angry.

When will police learn they are not judge, jury, and executioner?

Probably never with this current batch, they've full-on embraced the Punisher identity, in some places they've even painted it on their squad cars. I mean I guess they literally don't understand that's the fucking problem.

[Vassenor]

When will police learn they are not judge, jury, and executioner?

Probably never with this current batch, they've full-on embraced the Punisher identity, in some places they've even painted it on their squad cars. I mean I guess they literally don't understand that's the fucking problem.

Did Disney file suit over that in the end or did I imagine that?

[Valrifell]

Probably never with this current batch, they've full-on embraced the Punisher identity, in some places they've even painted it on their squad cars. I mean I guess they literally don't understand that's the fucking problem.

Did Disney file suit over that in the end or did I imagine that?

No, but Marvel comic creators are/were urging them to.

[Ifreann]

Audio recordings of the grand jury case around Breonna Taylor's death are being released. Written transcripts will presumably be forthcoming.

[Salus Maior]

When will police learn they are not judge, jury, and executioner?

Probably never with this current batch, they've full-on embraced the Punisher identity, in some places they've even painted it on their squad cars. I mean I guess they literally don't understand that's the fucking problem.

[Kowani]

When will police learn they are not judge, jury, and executioner?

Probably never with this current batch, they've full-on embraced the Punisher identity, in some places they've even painted it on their squad cars. I mean I guess they literally don't understand that's the fucking problem.

The irony here is that the Punisher hates cops.

But also, as Salus said:

Probably never with this current batch, they've full-on embraced the Punisher identity, in some places they've even painted it on their squad cars. I mean I guess they literally don't understand that's the fucking problem.

[The Emerald Legion]

Probably never with this current batch, they've full-on embraced the Punisher identity, in some places they've even painted it on their squad cars. I mean I guess they literally don't understand that's the fucking problem.

That's not concerning. It's to be expected.

[Valrifell]

That's not concerning. It's to be expected.

It can be both incredibly predictable and also concerning.

[The Emerald Legion]

That's not concerning. It's to be expected.

It can be both incredibly predictable and also concerning.

Upsetting perhaps. But concerning makes you think of something not going exactly according to plan.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Colorado police officer leaves black woman tied upside down for 21 minutes in the back of the patrol car.

Footage released by the Aurora Police Department during a civil service commission appeal hearing on Sept. 29 shows former Officer Levi Huffine “punishing” a Black woman in police custody by leaving her hogtied in a face-down position in the back of a patrol car in the Denver, Colorado, suburb for 21 minutes.

Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson said the car video shows that Huffine “tortured” the woman, adding that she was disgusted by the footage.

Shataean Kelly, 28, was arrested on municipal charges following a fight on Aug. 27, 2019. Bodycam footage shows that Huffine hogtied Kelly’s hands to her feet after he claimed she attempted to escape by trying to open the locks in the back of the cruiser.

Wilson said that the locks in the back of the cruiser do not open and restraining Kelly in that way was unnecessary.

“The hobbling in my opinion was another form of punishment,” said Wilson.

During the drive to the jail, Kelly slipped off the seat with her hands and feet still cuffed together behind her back, and wound up pinned to the floor of the vehicle in a face-down position.

An internal investigation found that Kelly remained in that position for 21 minutes. She pleaded with Huffine for help during the trip.

“Please help me up, officer! I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe, officer!”

Wilson said Kelly could have died from positional asphyxia.

“I’m about to break my neck,” she cried out as she was pinned on her face with her hips above her head. “I don’t want to die like this!”

Huffine never responded to Kelly’s pleas.

At one point, Kelly referred to Huffine as “master,” saying: “I beg you, master,” while pleading with him for help.

“As an African-American female she denigrates herself to the point she actually calls him ‘master.’ To me that is disgusting,” said Wilson.

Charges against Kelly related to her arrest have been dropped.

Officials considered bringing charges against Huffine but decided against it because Kelly was not seriously injured. He was fired by Wilson in February, six months after the incident, after the chief overruled the review board’s recommendation that Huffine receive a 180-hour suspension. At the time, the details surrounding Huffine’s termination were not revealed, and the department did not specify beyond saying he was fired over “severe misconduct.”

The ongoing hearing that commenced after Huffine appealed his termination will result in a decision made by the city’s four-person civil service commission, who will decide whether Huffine should keep his job. Huffine claimed he was too short to be able to see what was happening in the back seat during the drive to the jail.


University of Colorado Denver professor of criminal justice Dr. Paul Taylor testified at the hearing and said it is not a good practice to keep a person hobbled without a seatbelt on. “There is a tendency for people to people either roll off or fall of the seat and onto the floorboard,” he said.

Wilson said Huffine is lucky Kelly did not die, becuse otherwise he would be “in an orange jumpsuit right now.”

Huffine is scheduled to testify again on Oct. 1.

Well, now I’m angry.

When will police learn they are not judge, jury, and executioner?

With each new story and incident, I become more and more convinced that the Army and National Guard should be deployed against police departments in order to police the police and protect the civil rights they keep violating.

[Salus Maior]

That's not concerning. It's to be expected.

It can be both incredibly predictable and also concerning.

As someone who believes in the Rule of Law, the supposed upholders of the law idealizing an outlaw vigilante murderer is not very comforting.

Although, them taking on that identity at least makes clear what they actually think of themselves and their behavior.

[Telconi]

Colorado police officer leaves black woman tied upside down for 21 minutes in the back of the patrol car.

Footage released by the Aurora Police Department during a civil service commission appeal hearing on Sept. 29 shows former Officer Levi Huffine “punishing” a Black woman in police custody by leaving her hogtied in a face-down position in the back of a patrol car in the Denver, Colorado, suburb for 21 minutes.

Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson said the car video shows that Huffine “tortured” the woman, adding that she was disgusted by the footage.

Shataean Kelly, 28, was arrested on municipal charges following a fight on Aug. 27, 2019. Bodycam footage shows that Huffine hogtied Kelly’s hands to her feet after he claimed she attempted to escape by trying to open the locks in the back of the cruiser.

Wilson said that the locks in the back of the cruiser do not open and restraining Kelly in that way was unnecessary.

“The hobbling in my opinion was another form of punishment,” said Wilson.

During the drive to the jail, Kelly slipped off the seat with her hands and feet still cuffed together behind her back, and wound up pinned to the floor of the vehicle in a face-down position.

An internal investigation found that Kelly remained in that position for 21 minutes. She pleaded with Huffine for help during the trip.

“Please help me up, officer! I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe, officer!”

Wilson said Kelly could have died from positional asphyxia.

“I’m about to break my neck,” she cried out as she was pinned on her face with her hips above her head. “I don’t want to die like this!”

Huffine never responded to Kelly’s pleas.

At one point, Kelly referred to Huffine as “master,” saying: “I beg you, master,” while pleading with him for help.

“As an African-American female she denigrates herself to the point she actually calls him ‘master.’ To me that is disgusting,” said Wilson.

Charges against Kelly related to her arrest have been dropped.

Officials considered bringing charges against Huffine but decided against it because Kelly was not seriously injured. He was fired by Wilson in February, six months after the incident, after the chief overruled the review board’s recommendation that Huffine receive a 180-hour suspension. At the time, the details surrounding Huffine’s termination were not revealed, and the department did not specify beyond saying he was fired over “severe misconduct.”

The ongoing hearing that commenced after Huffine appealed his termination will result in a decision made by the city’s four-person civil service commission, who will decide whether Huffine should keep his job. Huffine claimed he was too short to be able to see what was happening in the back seat during the drive to the jail.


University of Colorado Denver professor of criminal justice Dr. Paul Taylor testified at the hearing and said it is not a good practice to keep a person hobbled without a seatbelt on. “There is a tendency for people to people either roll off or fall of the seat and onto the floorboard,” he said.

Wilson said Huffine is lucky Kelly did not die, becuse otherwise he would be “in an orange jumpsuit right now.”

Huffine is scheduled to testify again on Oct. 1.

Well, now I’m angry.

So how many decades in jail is this shithead getting? Oh, is it zero?

[Kowani]

Colorado police officer leaves black woman tied upside down for 21 minutes in the back of the patrol car.

Footage released by the Aurora Police Department during a civil service commission appeal hearing on Sept. 29 shows former Officer Levi Huffine “punishing” a Black woman in police custody by leaving her hogtied in a face-down position in the back of a patrol car in the Denver, Colorado, suburb for 21 minutes.

Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson said the car video shows that Huffine “tortured” the woman, adding that she was disgusted by the footage.

Shataean Kelly, 28, was arrested on municipal charges following a fight on Aug. 27, 2019. Bodycam footage shows that Huffine hogtied Kelly’s hands to her feet after he claimed she attempted to escape by trying to open the locks in the back of the cruiser.

Wilson said that the locks in the back of the cruiser do not open and restraining Kelly in that way was unnecessary.

“The hobbling in my opinion was another form of punishment,” said Wilson.

During the drive to the jail, Kelly slipped off the seat with her hands and feet still cuffed together behind her back, and wound up pinned to the floor of the vehicle in a face-down position.

An internal investigation found that Kelly remained in that position for 21 minutes. She pleaded with Huffine for help during the trip.

“Please help me up, officer! I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe, officer!”

Wilson said Kelly could have died from positional asphyxia.

“I’m about to break my neck,” she cried out as she was pinned on her face with her hips above her head. “I don’t want to die like this!”

Huffine never responded to Kelly’s pleas.

At one point, Kelly referred to Huffine as “master,” saying: “I beg you, master,” while pleading with him for help.

“As an African-American female she denigrates herself to the point she actually calls him ‘master.’ To me that is disgusting,” said Wilson.

Charges against Kelly related to her arrest have been dropped.

Officials considered bringing charges against Huffine but decided against it because Kelly was not seriously injured. He was fired by Wilson in February, six months after the incident, after the chief overruled the review board’s recommendation that Huffine receive a 180-hour suspension. At the time, the details surrounding Huffine’s termination were not revealed, and the department did not specify beyond saying he was fired over “severe misconduct.”

The ongoing hearing that commenced after Huffine appealed his termination will result in a decision made by the city’s four-person civil service commission, who will decide whether Huffine should keep his job. Huffine claimed he was too short to be able to see what was happening in the back seat during the drive to the jail.


University of Colorado Denver professor of criminal justice Dr. Paul Taylor testified at the hearing and said it is not a good practice to keep a person hobbled without a seatbelt on. “There is a tendency for people to people either roll off or fall of the seat and onto the floorboard,” he said.

Wilson said Huffine is lucky Kelly did not die, becuse otherwise he would be “in an orange jumpsuit right now.”

Huffine is scheduled to testify again on Oct. 1.

Well, now I’m angry.

So how many decades in jail is this shithead getting? Oh, is it zero?

Considering that the authorities decided not to bring charges…almost certainly zero.

[Telconi]

So how many decades in jail is this shithead getting? Oh, is it zero?

Considering that the authorities decided not to bring charges…almost certainly zero.

But of course. This is what happens when you put your own gang in charge of sentencing the badge wearing gang bangers.