US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Vassenor]

According to Parry, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose. All of the classic symptoms of a fatal overdose of fentanyl are on clear display in the video that was removed including his scared and confused state of mind and the fact he was yelling "I can't breathe" even before he had a knee on his neck. Also clearly visible especially at the end after an unconscious Floyd is loaded onto an ambulance and one of the cops performs CPR on his chest is foaming in the mouth and nose. This, too, is consistent with a typical drug overdose.

(Fentanyl, by the way, is manufactured in China, shipped to Mexico, and smuggled into the United States, so the CCP that's currently waging a secret and very literal opium war against American citizens in order to weaken its economy is indirectly to blame for this year's racial riots and any instability in America is incidentally good for the PRC, but I digress.)

You have no idea how opioids work. Opioids are central nervous system depressants. People who overdose don't have a panic about not being able to breathe. They nod off, they fall unconscious, and then they stop breathing.

But that gets in the way of unleashing another rant about how BLM is a Chinese plot to destroy America.

[Gravlen]

According to Parry, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose.

That's incorrect, as have been pointed out multiple times.

Here, yet again:

Carl Hart, a Columbia University neuroscientist, said that human response to psychoactive drugs is far too complex to draw conclusions solely based on fentanyl concentrations, which fluctuate rapidly and can increase after death as the drug breaks down in the body.

“If the officer didn’t put his knee on George Floyd’s neck, he would most likely be alive today,” Hart said.

That opinion is consistent with the autopsy conducted by the county medical examiner’s office, which found that the death was caused by “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).”

A second postmortem examination, led by Dr. Michael Baden, an expert hired by the Floyd family, concluded that he was killed by asphyxiation.

In an interview, Baden said that regardless of anything Floyd said about breathing trouble, or drugs or underlying health problems, “He died because of the way he was restrained, period.”

And even if the cops did ultimately asphyxiate him, Parry reminds viewers (in the video that was removed) that the knee-on-neck restraining technique was/is entirely in line with their training. So either the cops are entirely innocent of Floyd's "murder" and have been roundly demonized and had their lives ruined by a woke, racist mob thirsting for blood, or they've been demonized and had their lives ruined simply for doing their jobs the only way they knew how and their poor training is to blame for Floyd's death, not the cops themselves.

I mean, the fact that the police in the US generally recieves poor training has been known for a long time now. That wouldn't excuse a murder, however, even if it should lead to a change in training (which it has, though by no means sufficiently).

Whichever of these is true, these cops should never have been charged in the first place. I sincerely hope all four of them are acquitted of all charges and that they, in turn, sue CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, other fake news providers, BLM activists, Antifa, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and everyone else who is even remotely responsible for their current plight.

Curiously you leave out the one organization you yourself say is likely to blame for their current plight: The Minneapolis Police Department.

In fact, of the organizations you mention, exactly none of them have any responsibility for the officers having been charged.

Four months on, BLM has yet to provide a single shred of evidence that "systemic racism" or wHiTe sUpReMaCy was the cause of George Floyd's death or Jacob Blake's incapacitation.

They have. You just haven't been paying attention. It's clear that the police in the US view black men as a bigger threat than any other demographic, and that fact is a part of the systemic racism which contributed to the death of one and the permanent injury of another.

Absolutely disgusted by this racist bullshit.

Maybe you should consider changing your ways then.

[Gravlen]

Texas Sheriff inducted for allegedly destroying video of black man’s death in police custody.

I guess we should be happy he's indicted, if nothing else... Just... ugh.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

I'm don't have the expertise to make judgements about Mr. Floyd's autopsy and toxicology reports. That report cited "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression" as the cause of death, though 11 ng/mL of fentanyl was in his blood.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... /?tool=EBI

This toxicology paper says that postmortem concentration of fentanyl in the blood (especially moderate concentrations) cannot be reliably used to determine cause of death on its own. It needs to be taken together with other pieces of evidence by an expert. Again, I'm not an expert, but I feel like many of the people who are making these "Floyd died from fentanyl" claims aren't necessarily experts either. George Parry is a former prosecutor/lawyer.

However, if you suppose that Floyd did die from a fentanyl overdose, does this excuse the behavior of the police officer who sat on Floyd's neck with his knee while Floyd cried for help? Should anyone be subjected to that kind of treatment?

[Valrifell]

I'm don't have the expertise to make judgements about Mr. Floyd's autopsy and toxicology reports. That report cited "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression" as the cause of death, though 11 ng/mL of fentanyl was in his blood.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... /?tool=EBI

This toxicology paper says that postmortem concentration of fentanyl in the blood (especially moderate concentrations) cannot be reliably used to determine cause of death on its own. It needs to be taken together with other pieces of evidence by an expert. Again, I'm not an expert, but I feel like many of the people who are making these "Floyd died from fentanyl" claims aren't necessarily experts either. George Parry is a former prosecutor/lawyer.

However, if you suppose that he did die from a fentanyl overdose, does this excuse the behavior of the police officer who sat on his neck with his knee while he cried for help? Should anyone be subjected to that kind of treatment?

Exactly. Regardless of any laws that were broken, the police do not have the authority to act like Judge Dredd or the Punisher. They are enforcers, not the judge jury and executioner.

[Salus Maior]

I'm don't have the expertise to make judgements about Mr. Floyd's autopsy and toxicology reports. That report cited "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression" as the cause of death, though 11 ng/mL of fentanyl was in his blood.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... /?tool=EBI

This toxicology paper says that postmortem concentration of fentanyl in the blood (especially moderate concentrations) cannot be reliably used to determine cause of death on its own. It needs to be taken together with other pieces of evidence by an expert. Again, I'm not an expert, but I feel like many of the people who are making these "Floyd died from fentanyl" claims aren't necessarily experts either. George Parry is a former prosecutor/lawyer.

However, if you suppose that he did die from a fentanyl overdose, does this excuse the behavior of the police officer who sat on his neck with his knee while he cried for help? Should anyone be subjected to that kind of treatment?

Exactly. Regardless of any laws that were broken, the police do not have the authority to act like Judge Dredd or the Punisher. They are enforcers, not the judge jury and executioner.

Even if we were to disregard Floyd altogether (which we shouldn't), the Police have shown more than enough that they're out of control in so many other cases.

[Vassenor]

“Kettling” Protesters in the Bronx: Systemic Police Brutality and Its Costs in the United States

On the evening of June 4, 2020, about 300 people marched peacefully through Mott Haven, a low-income neighborhood in New York City’s South Bronx, to protest police violence and systemic racism. Less than an hour into the march, and about 10 minutes before an 8 p.m. curfew went into effect, the marchers encountered scores of police officers with riot gear, including helmets, shields, and batons. Bicycle police used their bikes to form a wall and prevented the protesters from moving forward, while other officers pushed from behind – a tactic known as “kettling.” The protesters were trapped, with no way to disperse.

“We were being packed and packed like sardines,” one protester later recalled. Many started chanting, “Let Us Go!” and one person cried out, “You’re gonna kill us – I can’t breathe.”

Just after 8 p.m. and the start of the city-wide curfew – imposed a few days earlier due to looting in other areas– the police moved in on the protesters, unprovoked and without warning, whaling their batons, beating people from car tops, shoving them down to the ground, and firing pepper spray in their faces.

“Then it’s kind of all a blur,” one protester said, recounting how a police officer punched him in the face, another twisted his finger and broke it, and a third pulled off his Covid-19 face mask and doused him with pepper spray. “Then they dragged me on the ground and beat me with batons,” he said. “Somewhere in the process of being cuffed, I had a knee on my neck.”

As protesters cried out – some with blood dripping down their faces – the police began to arrest them. They forced people to sit on the street with their hands zip-tied behind their backs, at times so tight that their hands went numb. Clearly identified medics and legal observers were among those targeted, as police beat a number of them, detained them and obstructed their work.

Ambulances eventually arrived, and a medic who was zip-tied at the time said that he saw at least three people carried away on stretchers: “[They were] handcuffed to the stretchers, with head bandages, visibly bleeding from the bandage.”

The protest in Mott Haven was one of hundreds that broke out across New York City and the wider United States following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota on May 25. Floyd’s was the latest in a series of high-profile killings of unarmed Black people by police in the country. Law enforcement officers across the United States responded to many of these largely peaceful protests with violence, excessive force, and abuse. They beat up protesters, conducted mass arrests, and fired teargas, pepper spray, stun grenades, and rubber bullets to disperse and discourage protests.

But clearly it's the protestors who are in the wrong there.

[Valrifell]

Why did the protesters not simply burrow under the asphalt streets? Hmm.... curious.

[Estanglia]

So I just watched a 24 minute long video earlier today that featured extensive police bodycam and civilian bystander footage of the entire sequence leading up to George Floyd's death followed by narration and commentary by George Parry (not to be confused with George PERRY Floyd, the alleged victim and the source of all these riots and protests). Unfortunately, the link is now dead as of writing (Access Denied) and I wasn't sure whether to share it here due to PG-13 reasons.

Instead, here's a link to an article by Parry.

It appears I and pretty much everyone not directly involved in Floyd's case have been lied to about the circumstances surrounding his death and BLM has gone on a rampage based on this lie.

According to Parry, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose. All of the classic symptoms of a fatal overdose of fentanyl are on clear display in the video that was removed including his scared and confused state of mind and the fact he was yelling "I can't breathe" even before he had a knee on his neck. Also clearly visible especially at the end after an unconscious Floyd is loaded onto an ambulance and one of the cops performs CPR on his chest is foaming in the mouth and nose. This, too, is consistent with a typical drug overdose.

Let's presume that all of this is true (I am no expert, but I still doubt it).

Does this make the treatment of George Floyd in any way acceptable?

If I was to shoot you to death, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be pleased, even if it came out that you were going to die a few minutes after me shooting you. I'm also pretty sure I'd still get thrown in jail, because I murdered you.

I can't for the life of me think of a scenario where I can commit an action against you, and the fact that you would've died anyway means I get off scot free from the legal consequences of my actions.

(Fentanyl, by the way, is manufactured in China, shipped to Mexico, and smuggled into the United States, so the CCP that's currently waging a secret and very literal opium war against American citizens in order to weaken its economy is indirectly to blame for this year's racial riots and any instability in America is incidentally good for the PRC, but I digress.)

I don't know whether to be impressed or saddened that you took "American man murdered by American cops" and turned it into "it's the CCP's fault!".

[Vassenor]

Trooper’s mic records talk of beating, choking Black man

In graphic, matter-of-fact chatter picked up on his body-camera mic, a Louisiana State trooper implicated in the death of a Black man can be heard talking of beating and choking him before “all of a sudden he just went limp.”

“I beat the ever-living f--- out of him,” the trooper said in a 27-second audio clip obtained by The Associated Press.

It is the most direct evidence to emerge yet in the death last year of Ronald Greene, which troopers initially blamed on injuries from a car crash at the end of a chase. The long-simmering case has now become the subject of a federal civil rights investigation and growing calls for authorities to release the full body-cam video.

-sigh-

[Kexholm Karelia]

So I just watched a 24 minute long video earlier today that featured extensive police bodycam and civilian bystander footage of the entire sequence leading up to George Floyd's death followed by narration and commentary by George Parry (not to be confused with George PERRY Floyd, the alleged victim and the source of all these riots and protests). Unfortunately, the link is now dead as of writing (Access Denied) and I wasn't sure whether to share it here due to PG-13 reasons.

Instead, here's a link to an article by Parry.

It appears I and pretty much everyone not directly involved in Floyd's case have been lied to about the circumstances surrounding his death and BLM has gone on a rampage based on this lie.

According to Parry, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose. All of the classic symptoms of a fatal overdose of fentanyl are on clear display in the video that was removed including his scared and confused state of mind and the fact he was yelling "I can't breathe" even before he had a knee on his neck. Also clearly visible especially at the end after an unconscious Floyd is loaded onto an ambulance and one of the cops performs CPR on his chest is foaming in the mouth and nose. This, too, is consistent with a typical drug overdose.

Let's presume that all of this is true (I am no expert, but I still doubt it).

Does this make the treatment of George Floyd in any way acceptable?

If I was to shoot you to death, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be pleased, even if it came out that you were going to die a few minutes after me shooting you. I'm also pretty sure I'd still get thrown in jail, because I murdered you.

I can't for the life of me think of a scenario where I can commit an action against you, and the fact that you would've died anyway means I get off scot free from the legal consequences of my actions.

(Fentanyl, by the way, is manufactured in China, shipped to Mexico, and smuggled into the United States, so the CCP that's currently waging a secret and very literal opium war against American citizens in order to weaken its economy is indirectly to blame for this year's racial riots and any instability in America is incidentally good for the PRC, but I digress.)

I don't know whether to be impressed or saddened that you took "American man murdered by American cops" and turned it into "it's the CCP's fault!".

I wouldn’t put it above the CCP. They are sterilizing Uighurs and mass murdering them, they are harvesting organs from Falun Gong practitioners, they are making Hongkongers "mysteriously disappear" at record numbers, and in the past have, words of my grandfather (cultural revolution survivor) "killed people just for fun"

[Estanglia]

Let's presume that all of this is true (I am no expert, but I still doubt it).

Does this make the treatment of George Floyd in any way acceptable?

If I was to shoot you to death, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be pleased, even if it came out that you were going to die a few minutes after me shooting you. I'm also pretty sure I'd still get thrown in jail, because I murdered you.

I can't for the life of me think of a scenario where I can commit an action against you, and the fact that you would've died anyway means I get off scot free from the legal consequences of my actions.



I don't know whether to be impressed or saddened that you took "American man murdered by American cops" and turned it into "it's the CCP's fault!".

I wouldn’t put it above the CCP. They are sterilizing Uighurs and mass murdering them, they are harvesting organs from Falun Gong practitioners, they are making Hongkongers "mysteriously disappear" at record numbers, and in the past have, words of my grandfather (cultural revolution survivor) "killed people just for fun"

That completely misses my point.

You have an American cop who knelt on the kneck of an American citizen, ending in the death of said citizen. Blaming the CCP for that is like me shooting someone dead and you blaming the guy who made the bullet.

[Fahran]

Texas Sheriff inducted for allegedly destroying video of black man’s death in police custody.

I guess we should be happy he's indicted, if nothing else... Just... ugh.

I saw inducted and was like "What'd he get inducted into? It better have been a prison gang."

[Galloism]

I guess we should be happy he's indicted, if nothing else... Just... ugh.

I saw inducted and was like "What'd he get inducted into? It better have been a prison gang."

I was going to let it slide.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

So I just watched a 24 minute long video earlier today that featured extensive police bodycam and civilian bystander footage of the entire sequence leading up to George Floyd's death followed by narration and commentary by George Parry (not to be confused with George PERRY Floyd, the alleged victim and the source of all these riots and protests). Unfortunately, the link is now dead as of writing (Access Denied) and I wasn't sure whether to share it here due to PG-13 reasons.

Instead, here's a link to an article by Parry.

It appears I and pretty much everyone not directly involved in Floyd's case have been lied to about the circumstances surrounding his death and BLM has gone on a rampage based on this lie.

According to Parry, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose. All of the classic symptoms of a fatal overdose of fentanyl are on clear display in the video that was removed including his scared and confused state of mind and the fact he was yelling "I can't breathe" even before he had a knee on his neck. Also clearly visible especially at the end after an unconscious Floyd is loaded onto an ambulance and one of the cops performs CPR on his chest is foaming in the mouth and nose. This, too, is consistent with a typical drug overdose.

That's bullshit. You've been swallowing bullshit because you have a taste for it.

11 nanograms of Fentanyl in Floyd's blood would only be fatal if he'd never used the stuff before. How likely does that sound, given that he wasn't falling over, slurring his speech much, nor blinking too much? To go from alert to unconscious in 9 minutes, he'd have to have taken a massive overdose right there at the scene. His blood didn't show that, and video of the scene does not show it. What's more he had Norfentanyl in his blood, this is a metabolite and wouldn't be present if he'd dosed up recently.

The family autopsy of course you can cast doubt on. But before that was the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office autopsy report which did not name Fentanyl as even a contributing factor in Floyd's death.

(Fentanyl, by the way, is manufactured in China, shipped to Mexico, and smuggled into the United States, so the CCP that's currently waging a secret and very literal opium war against American citizens in order to weaken its economy is indirectly to blame for this year's racial riots and any instability in America is incidentally good for the PRC, but I digress.)

You're half right: China is still the main source of Fentanyl, and until last year the CCP was very negligent in controlling the production and export. I wouldn't characterize that as an Opium War so much as callous disregard of the consumers in the US ... capitalism basically. Because Trump asked nicely, Xi did reclassify Fentanyl to the highest level of restricted drug in China, making it harder to manufacture or ship, but we obviously can't count on that. Manufacturers would just bribe the inspectors or police.

DEA report from March 2020 (pdf)

Even if it was possible to close the US off from China, Mexico and India, Americans would make the stuff themselves. Trying to cut off supply of illegal drugs doesn't work that well to reduce the number of users, PARTICULARLY for the addictive drugs. In fact it ruins lives by driving the price so high that users can no longer afford it with their legal income and they go into debt or get involved in crime.

[Fahran]

Why did the protesters not simply burrow under the asphalt streets? Hmm.... curious.

If you don't become a mole person in response to tear gas, you clearly want to be tear-gassed. /s

On a more serious note, if the allegations cited by HRW can be verified by American courts, protestors might have a basis for civil cases for unlawful detention against the government of NYC. Additionally, the officers involved could be criminally liable.

[Kowani]

Colorado police officer leaves black woman tied upside down for 21 minutes in the back of the patrol car.

Footage released by the Aurora Police Department during a civil service commission appeal hearing on Sept. 29 shows former Officer Levi Huffine “punishing” a Black woman in police custody by leaving her hogtied in a face-down position in the back of a patrol car in the Denver, Colorado, suburb for 21 minutes.

Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson said the car video shows that Huffine “tortured” the woman, adding that she was disgusted by the footage.

Shataean Kelly, 28, was arrested on municipal charges following a fight on Aug. 27, 2019. Bodycam footage shows that Huffine hogtied Kelly’s hands to her feet after he claimed she attempted to escape by trying to open the locks in the back of the cruiser.

Wilson said that the locks in the back of the cruiser do not open and restraining Kelly in that way was unnecessary.

“The hobbling in my opinion was another form of punishment,” said Wilson.

During the drive to the jail, Kelly slipped off the seat with her hands and feet still cuffed together behind her back, and wound up pinned to the floor of the vehicle in a face-down position.

An internal investigation found that Kelly remained in that position for 21 minutes. She pleaded with Huffine for help during the trip.

“Please help me up, officer! I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe, officer!”

Wilson said Kelly could have died from positional asphyxia.

“I’m about to break my neck,” she cried out as she was pinned on her face with her hips above her head. “I don’t want to die like this!”

Huffine never responded to Kelly’s pleas.

At one point, Kelly referred to Huffine as “master,” saying: “I beg you, master,” while pleading with him for help.

“As an African-American female she denigrates herself to the point she actually calls him ‘master.’ To me that is disgusting,” said Wilson.

Charges against Kelly related to her arrest have been dropped.

Officials considered bringing charges against Huffine but decided against it because Kelly was not seriously injured. He was fired by Wilson in February, six months after the incident, after the chief overruled the review board’s recommendation that Huffine receive a 180-hour suspension. At the time, the details surrounding Huffine’s termination were not revealed, and the department did not specify beyond saying he was fired over “severe misconduct.”

The ongoing hearing that commenced after Huffine appealed his termination will result in a decision made by the city’s four-person civil service commission, who will decide whether Huffine should keep his job. Huffine claimed he was too short to be able to see what was happening in the back seat during the drive to the jail.


University of Colorado Denver professor of criminal justice Dr. Paul Taylor testified at the hearing and said it is not a good practice to keep a person hobbled without a seatbelt on. “There is a tendency for people to people either roll off or fall of the seat and onto the floorboard,” he said.

Wilson said Huffine is lucky Kelly did not die, becuse otherwise he would be “in an orange jumpsuit right now.”

Huffine is scheduled to testify again on Oct. 1.

Well, now I’m angry.

[Kowani]

I guess we should be happy he's indicted, if nothing else... Just... ugh.

I saw inducted and was like "What'd he get inducted into? It better have been a prison gang."

Stupid mobile keyboard.

[Rusozak]

Colorado police officer leaves black woman tied upside down for 21 minutes in the back of the patrol car.

Footage released by the Aurora Police Department during a civil service commission appeal hearing on Sept. 29 shows former Officer Levi Huffine “punishing” a Black woman in police custody by leaving her hogtied in a face-down position in the back of a patrol car in the Denver, Colorado, suburb for 21 minutes.

Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson said the car video shows that Huffine “tortured” the woman, adding that she was disgusted by the footage.

Shataean Kelly, 28, was arrested on municipal charges following a fight on Aug. 27, 2019. Bodycam footage shows that Huffine hogtied Kelly’s hands to her feet after he claimed she attempted to escape by trying to open the locks in the back of the cruiser.

Wilson said that the locks in the back of the cruiser do not open and restraining Kelly in that way was unnecessary.

“The hobbling in my opinion was another form of punishment,” said Wilson.

During the drive to the jail, Kelly slipped off the seat with her hands and feet still cuffed together behind her back, and wound up pinned to the floor of the vehicle in a face-down position.

An internal investigation found that Kelly remained in that position for 21 minutes. She pleaded with Huffine for help during the trip.

“Please help me up, officer! I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe, officer!”

Wilson said Kelly could have died from positional asphyxia.

“I’m about to break my neck,” she cried out as she was pinned on her face with her hips above her head. “I don’t want to die like this!”

Huffine never responded to Kelly’s pleas.

At one point, Kelly referred to Huffine as “master,” saying: “I beg you, master,” while pleading with him for help.

“As an African-American female she denigrates herself to the point she actually calls him ‘master.’ To me that is disgusting,” said Wilson.

Charges against Kelly related to her arrest have been dropped.

Officials considered bringing charges against Huffine but decided against it because Kelly was not seriously injured. He was fired by Wilson in February, six months after the incident, after the chief overruled the review board’s recommendation that Huffine receive a 180-hour suspension. At the time, the details surrounding Huffine’s termination were not revealed, and the department did not specify beyond saying he was fired over “severe misconduct.”

The ongoing hearing that commenced after Huffine appealed his termination will result in a decision made by the city’s four-person civil service commission, who will decide whether Huffine should keep his job. Huffine claimed he was too short to be able to see what was happening in the back seat during the drive to the jail.


University of Colorado Denver professor of criminal justice Dr. Paul Taylor testified at the hearing and said it is not a good practice to keep a person hobbled without a seatbelt on. “There is a tendency for people to people either roll off or fall of the seat and onto the floorboard,” he said.

Wilson said Huffine is lucky Kelly did not die, becuse otherwise he would be “in an orange jumpsuit right now.”

Huffine is scheduled to testify again on Oct. 1.

Well, now I’m angry.

When will police learn they are not judge, jury, and executioner?

[Albrenia]

Rather convenient how opioids killed someone by suffocation at the same time a police officer had a knee on their neck. I'm sure it's got nothing to do with the police though.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

According to Parry, George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose.

That's incorrect, as have been pointed out multiple times.

Here, yet again:

Carl Hart, a Columbia University neuroscientist, said that human response to psychoactive drugs is far too complex to draw conclusions solely based on fentanyl concentrations, which fluctuate rapidly and can increase after death as the drug breaks down in the body.

“If the officer didn’t put his knee on George Floyd’s neck, he would most likely be alive today,” Hart said.

That opinion is consistent with the autopsy conducted by the county medical examiner’s office, which found that the death was caused by “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).”

A second postmortem examination, led by Dr. Michael Baden, an expert hired by the Floyd family, concluded that he was killed by asphyxiation.

In an interview, Baden said that regardless of anything Floyd said about breathing trouble, or drugs or underlying health problems, “He died because of the way he was restrained, period.”

And even if the cops did ultimately asphyxiate him, Parry reminds viewers (in the video that was removed) that the knee-on-neck restraining technique was/is entirely in line with their training. So either the cops are entirely innocent of Floyd's "murder" and have been roundly demonized and had their lives ruined by a woke, racist mob thirsting for blood, or they've been demonized and had their lives ruined simply for doing their jobs the only way they knew how and their poor training is to blame for Floyd's death, not the cops themselves.

I mean, the fact that the police in the US generally recieves poor training has been known for a long time now. That wouldn't excuse a murder, however, even if it should lead to a change in training (which it has, though by no means sufficiently).

Whichever of these is true, these cops should never have been charged in the first place. I sincerely hope all four of them are acquitted of all charges and that they, in turn, sue CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, other fake news providers, BLM activists, Antifa, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and everyone else who is even remotely responsible for their current plight.

Curiously you leave out the one organization you yourself say is likely to blame for their current plight: The Minneapolis Police Department.

In fact, of the organizations you mention, exactly none of them have any responsibility for the officers having been charged.

Four months on, BLM has yet to provide a single shred of evidence that "systemic racism" or wHiTe sUpReMaCy was the cause of George Floyd's death or Jacob Blake's incapacitation.

They have. You just haven't been paying attention. It's clear that the police in the US view black men as a bigger threat than any other demographic, and that fact is a part of the systemic racism which contributed to the death of one and the permanent injury of another.

Police departments in the United States are overdue for extensive reforms and need to be held accountable. Retraining and abolishing the knee-on-neck technique would be a good start. Yelling "racist" at the top of one's lungs doesn't address the issue of police brutality and impunity at all and is nothing more than a political diversionary tactic with which to demonize Trump and his supporters this coming election. Funny how these "anti-racist" protests and riots mostly tend to occur during an election year. This is obviously politically motivated. Expect these protests to either die down if Biden wins or intensify if Trump wins because throwing a tantrum and rioting like they did in 2016 obviously solves the problem. BLM, by inciting racial hatred and violence and contributing to political polarization, is hurting its own cause. Fundamentalist Christians critical of evolution were the extremists of the 2000s. BLM is the extremist, quasi-religious cult today.

The officers involved in Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are the victims of a sustained media witch hunt that shows no signs of dying down. I'm not defending the police as a whole nor have I done so in any way since the protests began precisely because of how the Hong Kong police have behaved toward peaceful pro-democracy protesters since the middle of last year as well as police violence against peaceful BLM protesters back in June. It's the reason I initially sympathized with BLM protesters in the beginning. I also originally believed, as did many on both the Right and the Left, that George Floyd was murdered. I really hate being emotionally manipulated and lied to by radical leftists (this is not the first time it's happened) and I feel bad for being in the wrong about Floyd's death all this time. It's better to judge American police officers and departments on a case-by-case basis instead of resorting to blanket condemnations or commendations as both sides have been wont to do. I'm not going to chant Blue Lives Matter or "law and order". I also acknowledge that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful even if I find their rhetoric hateful, cringy, and distasteful. I respect their right to peacefully protest and I condemn the police brutality against peaceful protesters that occurred back in June that I haven't been seeing much of since then.

I literally watched the entire bodycam and civilian bystander video sequence of the events leading up to George Floyd's death. At no point was the officers' treatment of Floyd even remotely racist, systemic or no. One may legitimately question their methods and training without going off an irrelevant tangent about "systemic racism" or "white supremacy" or ranting about how whiteness is an original sin that needs to be cleansed through constant prayer and repentance. You have nothing to go on but your opinion that police officers who happen to be white killing suspects who happen to be black proves anything at all. Moreover, correlation doesn't imply causation. And I've already dismissed all of these critical race theory-laced sociology "studies" "proving" systemic racism exists as Marxist ideological propaganda, so don't even bother with that either. See Grievance studies affair for more info on these so-called "studies" and how they are all part of a broader political agenda (by some, not all, leftists and Democrats) to turn the USA into a communist clone of the PRC in all but name. It's absolutely insidious.

[Vassenor]

That's incorrect, as have been pointed out multiple times.

Here, yet again:

Carl Hart, a Columbia University neuroscientist, said that human response to psychoactive drugs is far too complex to draw conclusions solely based on fentanyl concentrations, which fluctuate rapidly and can increase after death as the drug breaks down in the body.

“If the officer didn’t put his knee on George Floyd’s neck, he would most likely be alive today,” Hart said.

That opinion is consistent with the autopsy conducted by the county medical examiner’s office, which found that the death was caused by “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).”

A second postmortem examination, led by Dr. Michael Baden, an expert hired by the Floyd family, concluded that he was killed by asphyxiation.

In an interview, Baden said that regardless of anything Floyd said about breathing trouble, or drugs or underlying health problems, “He died because of the way he was restrained, period.”

I mean, the fact that the police in the US generally recieves poor training has been known for a long time now. That wouldn't excuse a murder, however, even if it should lead to a change in training (which it has, though by no means sufficiently).


Curiously you leave out the one organization you yourself say is likely to blame for their current plight: The Minneapolis Police Department.

In fact, of the organizations you mention, exactly none of them have any responsibility for the officers having been charged.


They have. You just haven't been paying attention. It's clear that the police in the US view black men as a bigger threat than any other demographic, and that fact is a part of the systemic racism which contributed to the death of one and the permanent injury of another.

Police departments in the United States are overdue for extensive reforms and need to be held accountable. Retraining and abolishing the knee-on-neck technique would be a good start. Yelling "racist" at the top of one's lungs doesn't address the issue of police brutality and impunity at all and is nothing more than a political diversionary tactic with which to demonize Trump and his supporters this coming election. Funny how these "anti-racist" protests and riots mostly tend to occur during an election year. This is obviously politically motivated. Expect these protests to either die down if Biden wins or intensify if Trump wins because throwing a tantrum and rioting like they did in 2016 obviously solves the problem. BLM, by inciting racial hatred and violence and contributing to political polarization, is hurting its own cause. Fundamentalist Christians critical of evolution were the extremists of the 2000s. BLM is the extremist, quasi-religious cult today.

The officers involved in Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are the victims of a sustained media witch hunt that shows no signs of dying down. I'm not defending the police as a whole nor have I done so in any way since the protests began precisely because of how the Hong Kong police have behaved toward peaceful pro-democracy protesters since the middle of last year as well as police violence against peaceful BLM protesters back in June. It's the reason I initially sympathized with BLM protesters in the beginning. I also originally believed, as did many on both the Right and the Left, that George Floyd was murdered. I really hate being emotionally manipulated and lied to by radical leftists (this is not the first time it's happened) and I feel bad for being in the wrong about Floyd's death all this time. It's better to judge American police officers and departments on a case-by-case basis instead of resorting to blanket condemnations or commendations as both sides have been wont to do. I'm not going to chant Blue Lives Matter or "law and order". I also acknowledge that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful even if I find their rhetoric hateful, cringy, and distasteful. I respect their right to peacefully protest and I condemn the police brutality against peaceful protesters that occurred back in June that I haven't been seeing much of since then.

I literally watched the entire bodycam and civilian bystander video sequence of the events leading up to George Floyd's death. At no point was the officers' treatment of Floyd even remotely racist, systemic or no. One may legitimately question their methods and training without going off an irrelevant tangent about "systemic racism" or "white supremacy" or ranting about how whiteness is an original sin that needs to be cleansed through constant prayer and repentance. You have nothing to go on but your opinion that police officers who happen to be white killing suspects who happen to be black proves anything at all. Moreover, correlation doesn't imply causation. And I've already dismissed all of these critical race theory-laced sociology "studies" "proving" systemic racism exists as Marxist ideological propaganda, so don't even bother with that either. See Grievance studies affair for more info on these so-called "studies" and how they are all part of a broader political agenda (by some, not all, leftists and Democrats) to turn the USA into a communist clone of the PRC in all but name. It's absolutely insidious.

So what racial hate has BLM incited? And apparently "black people should be equal to white people" is authoritarian communism now.

[Albrenia]

It continues to baffle me that some can say the Democrats, bunch of rich old dudes grown fat on capitalism that they are, are in involved in a plot to make America a communist state.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

That's incorrect, as have been pointed out multiple times.

Here, yet again:

Carl Hart, a Columbia University neuroscientist, said that human response to psychoactive drugs is far too complex to draw conclusions solely based on fentanyl concentrations, which fluctuate rapidly and can increase after death as the drug breaks down in the body.

“If the officer didn’t put his knee on George Floyd’s neck, he would most likely be alive today,” Hart said.

That opinion is consistent with the autopsy conducted by the county medical examiner’s office, which found that the death was caused by “cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).”

A second postmortem examination, led by Dr. Michael Baden, an expert hired by the Floyd family, concluded that he was killed by asphyxiation.

In an interview, Baden said that regardless of anything Floyd said about breathing trouble, or drugs or underlying health problems, “He died because of the way he was restrained, period.”

I mean, the fact that the police in the US generally recieves poor training has been known for a long time now. That wouldn't excuse a murder, however, even if it should lead to a change in training (which it has, though by no means sufficiently).


Curiously you leave out the one organization you yourself say is likely to blame for their current plight: The Minneapolis Police Department.

In fact, of the organizations you mention, exactly none of them have any responsibility for the officers having been charged.


They have. You just haven't been paying attention. It's clear that the police in the US view black men as a bigger threat than any other demographic, and that fact is a part of the systemic racism which contributed to the death of one and the permanent injury of another.

Police departments in the United States are overdue for extensive reforms and need to be held accountable. Retraining and abolishing the knee-on-neck technique would be a good start. Yelling "racist" at the top of one's lungs doesn't address the issue of police brutality and impunity at all and is nothing more than a political diversionary tactic with which to demonize Trump and his supporters this coming election. Funny how these "anti-racist" protests and riots mostly tend to occur during an election year. This is obviously politically motivated. Expect these protests to either die down if Biden wins or intensify if Trump wins because throwing a tantrum and rioting like they did in 2016 obviously solves the problem. BLM, by inciting racial hatred and violence and contributing to political polarization, is hurting its own cause. Fundamentalist Christians critical of evolution were the extremists of the 2000s. BLM is the extremist, quasi-religious cult today.

The officers involved in Floyd's death and Blake's incapacitation are the victims of a sustained media witch hunt that shows no signs of dying down. I'm not defending the police as a whole nor have I done so in any way since the protests began precisely because of how the Hong Kong police have behaved toward peaceful pro-democracy protesters since the middle of last year as well as police violence against peaceful BLM protesters back in June. It's the reason I initially sympathized with BLM protesters in the beginning. I also originally believed, as did many on both the Right and the Left, that George Floyd was murdered. I really hate being emotionally manipulated and lied to by radical leftists (this is not the first time it's happened) and I feel bad for being in the wrong about Floyd's death all this time. It's better to judge American police officers and departments on a case-by-case basis instead of resorting to blanket condemnations or commendations as both sides have been wont to do. I'm not going to chant Blue Lives Matter or "law and order". I also acknowledge that the vast majority of BLM protesters are peaceful even if I find their rhetoric hateful, cringy, and distasteful. I respect their right to peacefully protest and I condemn the police brutality against peaceful protesters that occurred back in June that I haven't been seeing much of since then.

I literally watched the entire bodycam and civilian bystander video sequence of the events leading up to George Floyd's death. At no point was the officers' treatment of Floyd even remotely racist, systemic or no. One may legitimately question their methods and training without going off an irrelevant tangent about "systemic racism" or "white supremacy" or ranting about how whiteness is an original sin that needs to be cleansed through constant prayer and repentance. You have nothing to go on but your opinion that police officers who happen to be white killing suspects who happen to be black proves anything at all. Moreover, correlation doesn't imply causation. And I've already dismissed all of these critical race theory-laced sociology "studies" "proving" systemic racism exists as Marxist ideological propaganda, so don't even bother with that either. See Grievance studies affair for more info on these so-called "studies" and how they are all part of a broader political agenda (by some, not all, leftists and Democrats) to turn the USA into a communist clone of the PRC in all but name. It's absolutely insidious.

George Floyd's death provoked strong reactions mainly because of how brutally he was treated by police. The racial element cannot be ignored, it's too deeply woven into American society and history. Strong emotional reactions were inevitable. Trying to argue against that (especially in the days/weeks after his death) is a bit like trying to change the direction of the wind by yelling.

Another important point is that you haven't established that his death was caused by fentanyl overdose.

[Vassenor]

It continues to baffle me that some can say the Democrats, bunch of rich old dudes grown fat on capitalism that they are, are in involved in a plot to make America a communist state.

Or that "police shouldn't act as judge, jury and executioner because everyone has the right to a fair trial" is somehow authoritarian communism in waiting.