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Postby Reino Brasileiro » Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:10 pm

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:48 pm

Reino Brasileiro wrote:it was for people like you that police officer Wenjian Liu was killed by a criminal extremist, do you think that the police is a systematic failure, which is not true, our police officers mostly respect the citizen no matter their gender, religion, color, or ethnicity , there are those who do shit and are quickly held responsible for it, but you shouldn't take this out on the police, justice does its part, and most police officers leave home thinking they may not come back, drop this systematic hatred for the police and think about the place of an honest police officer who just wants to help and go back home, our parents Are people, and it's not the fault of dishonest people, police officer Wenjian Liu died unjustly for someone who thought the same way as you, rethink, all of us we want peace for both the community and the police, mistakes are made and resolved by law, not violence, we want peace too, no one likes when someone dies unjustly, have less hate and respect In the police either, nobody here knows the suffering of a policeman's son who just doesn't want to receive a flag at his father's funeral. bye. all lives matter.


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Postby The Transcaucasia » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:17 am

Are the riots back? Why is the thread on the front page?

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:50 am

The Transcaucasia wrote:Are the riots back? Why is the thread on the front page?


Because a group of officers door kicked the wrong house and shot a guy who somehow pointed a gun at them while asleep.
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:52 am

Reino Brasileiro wrote:
Space Squid wrote:No one here is advocating killing police officers. We do want to hold them accountable.
many said the same thing.

Many others want police to be held accountable yes.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:06 am

Reino Brasileiro wrote:
Reino Brasileiro wrote:Wenjian Liu
the police Wenjian Liu

So no, you can't back up your claim.
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Postby New Visayan Islands » Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:34 am

Reino Brasileiro wrote:do you like anarchy?, after all the police prevent chaos and create order, you young rebels with nothing in your head think the police are bad and you like criminals who burn cities and kill police because you are not children of police and you don't be afraid that your father won't come back, you only care about you, the police are honest yes, few policemen have no honor, criminals like you distrust the police because it makes their work easier with the support of many rich teenagers who don't know the pain of always waiting for the father to arrive in the morning and receive someone informing him of his death. hypocrites, do they like it when they kill our parents?, there is no difference between those who support and those who kill our parents.

Reino Brasileiro wrote:
Reino Brasileiro wrote:do you like anarchy?, after all the police prevent chaos and create order, you young rebels with nothing in your head think the police are bad and you like criminals who burn cities and kill police because you are not children of police and you don't be afraid that your father won't come back, you only care about you, the police are honest yes, few policemen have no honor, criminals like you distrust the police because it makes their work easier with the support of many rich teenagers who don't know the pain of always waiting for the father to arrive in the morning and receive someone informing him of his death. hypocrites, do they like it when they kill our parents?, there is no difference between those who support and those who kill our parents.
It disgusts me to see such contempt for the life of the police officer, after all, for you, police officers are disposable and not parents and children, you just like bandits and false politicians saying that only one group should be respected and the "undesirables" should be excluded from society, Enough of all this hatred against our parents who work and die fighting to save you idlers who only complain while our parents die and their children are orphaned, now many of us are waiting for our parents to arrive afraid to only see them in the coffin. all lives matter

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Postby Gravlen » Sat Feb 05, 2022 3:42 am

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If someone broke into my house sounding like this and I had a gun you can bet it would be in my hand. Thank whatever gods may be I'm white so I wouldn't get shot dead in my own home.

Lol. Ya right. You’ll still be shot dead.

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Postby Big Bad Blue » Sat Feb 05, 2022 6:28 pm

Reino Brasileiro wrote:do you like anarchy?, after all the police prevent chaos and create order, you young rebels with nothing in your head think the police are bad and you like criminals who burn cities and kill police because you are not children of police and you don't be afraid that your father won't come back, you only care about you, the police are honest yes, few policemen have no honor, criminals like you distrust the police because it makes their work easier with the support of many rich teenagers who don't know the pain of always waiting for the father to arrive in the morning and receive someone informing him of his death. hypocrites, do they like it when they kill our parents?, there is no difference between those who support and those who kill our parents.


Every Black mother and father is afraid their sons won't come back if they get pulled over by the cops for having a taillight out (Philando Castile) or having an air freshener hanging from their rear view (Daunte Wright). And that's just in Minneapolis and suburbs. Something needs to change about policing, not just in Minneapolis, or cities will burn again. After George Floyd Minneapolis Mayor Frey and the pro-status quo policing groups promised things would change, there would be no more no-knock warrants, the Chief would take care of things -- he retired and moved on, etc., etc. so no need to vote for the charter change to public safety. They lied, Amir died.

This fight is not over. Not by a long shot.

Local media reports around 500 gathered at the Minneapolis downtown cop precinct house tonight to protest Amir's killing. It's in the low 20s tonite.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:15 pm

The shooting would explain the slightly larger-than-normal BLM protest that walked by my apartment earlier today.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:56 am

I was just thinking something. Even if the officers who killed Amir Locke go down, what about all their colleagues who covered for them? Surely the officer in the PR department who wrote the press release about them shooting an armed suspect needs to face charges for trying to cover up a murder or something.

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Postby Hemakral » Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:27 pm

Ifreann wrote:I was just thinking something. Even if the officers who killed Amir Locke go down, what about all their colleagues who covered for them? Surely the officer in the PR department who wrote the press release about them shooting an armed suspect needs to face charges for trying to cover up a murder or something.

Should they? Probably.
Will they? No.
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Postby Big Bad Blue » Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:38 pm

Sketchy cop named head of training for Minneapolis PD, not named during interim chief's press conference

At least 50 cars, occupants demonstrate outside Minneapolis PD interm chief's home

Something has to change or this city will burn again. Passing the charter amendment on public safety would be a good first step.
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Postby Big Bad Blue » Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Big Bad Blue wrote:
If someone broke into my house sounding like this and I had a gun you can bet it would be in my hand. Thank whatever gods may be I'm white so I wouldn't get shot dead in my own home.

Lol. Ya right. You’ll still be shot dead.


No, because I'm not Black. Which is why no-knock warrants should be banned. They create the conditions under which fearful cops shoot young Black men dead.
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Postby Space Squid » Sun Feb 06, 2022 9:44 pm

Big Bad Blue wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lol. Ya right. You’ll still be shot dead.


No, because I'm not Black. Which is why no-knock warrants should be banned. They create the conditions under which fearful cops shoot young Black men dead.

The post you're responding to is a story about someone who was not Black being shot by the police in a similar situation.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Feb 07, 2022 12:47 am

Big Bad Blue wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lol. Ya right. You’ll still be shot dead.


No, because I'm not Black. Which is why no-knock warrants should be banned. They create the conditions under which fearful cops shoot young Black men dead.

The police don’t care if your white or black, though being black doesn’t help, if a no knock warrant happens or you attempt to exercise your second amendment rights you’ll be shot dead.

Being white won’t save you, nor will being a police supporter like the guy in the article I linked that you clearly didn’t read
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Postby Andsed » Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:55 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Big Bad Blue wrote:
If someone broke into my house sounding like this and I had a gun you can bet it would be in my hand. Thank whatever gods may be I'm white so I wouldn't get shot dead in my own home.

Lol. Ya right. You’ll still be shot dead.

It never gets any less shocking seeing just how trigger happy cops are. Whitaker was literally getting on the ground very clearly complying and he still got shot in the back. Having a gun around police is absurdly dangerous. The odds the fuckers will shoot you no matter how much your complying because they feel ¨threatned¨ is stupidly high. You do not even need a gun, you could be on the ground with your hands in the air and the police might still shoot you. It is fucking nuts how quick cops are to start pulling out firearms.
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Postby Space Squid » Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:09 am

Andsed wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Lol. Ya right. You’ll still be shot dead.

It never gets any less shocking seeing just how trigger happy cops are. Whitaker was literally getting on the ground very clearly complying and he still got shot in the back. Having a gun around police is absurdly dangerous. The odds the fuckers will shoot you no matter how much your complying because they feel ¨threatned¨ is stupidly high. You do not even need a gun, you could be on the ground with your hands in the air and the police might still shoot you. It is fucking nuts how quick cops are to start pulling out firearms.

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Postby Hemakral » Tue Feb 08, 2022 8:21 am

Andsed wrote:It never gets any less shocking seeing just how trigger happy cops are. Whitaker was literally getting on the ground very clearly complying and he still got shot in the back. Having a gun around police is absurdly dangerous. The odds the fuckers will shoot you no matter how much your complying because they feel ¨threatned¨ is stupidly high. You do not even need a gun, you could be on the ground with your hands in the air and the police might still shoot you. It is fucking nuts how quick cops are to start pulling out firearms.

That toddler I shot shouldn't have been playing with water pistols in a public pool!
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:43 pm

It's after midnight. You hear something weird outside. Maybe a prowler. You grab your lawfully-owned gun. Open the garage. Walk out. You're standing on your property, peering around twenty seconds. All is quiet. You might see something in the dark. You start to raise your right arm, and the gun, pointing downwards, get to about hip height. A police officer shoots three shots without any warning and kills you.

From the perspective of the officer, he and his fellow officers had responded to a 911 report of
domestic violence involving multiple gunshots and expected to find a suspect who had been violent before. A man came out into the driveway after midnight holding a pistol in his right hand. After
nine seconds of walking, during which he carried the pistol but kept it pointed at the ground, the man stopped and faced the walkway leading up to his front door, where the officer was positioned in the dark. While facing the officer, the man started to raise the pistol. Only a very short time, about one second, passed between the man starting to raise his pistol and the officer firing. No words were spoken.

Qualified immunity. After all, qualified immunity leaves “room for mistaken judgments.”

An officer in Snook’s position during the rapidly unfolding events on that dark night reasonably could have believed that the man raising a pistol in his direction was about to shoot him, and our precedent establishes he could “respond with deadly force to protect himself.” Hunter, 941 F.3d at 1279. Snook didn’t have to wait until David Powell fired his gun to return fire in self-defense. See Long, 508 F.3d at 581. Warnings are not always required before the use of deadly force. See Penley, 605 F.3d at 854 n.6; Carr, 338 F.3d at 1269 n.19. And as we’ve explained, giving a warning in the seconds before David raised his gun wasn’t a clearly established requirement, see Shaw, 884 F.3d at 1100 (noting the “special allowance” for officers in uncertain situations), and giving a warning in the one second between David raising his gun and Snook firing wasn’t feasible.
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Postby Page » Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:32 am

Gravlen wrote:It's after midnight. You hear something weird outside. Maybe a prowler. You grab your lawfully-owned gun. Open the garage. Walk out. You're standing on your property, peering around twenty seconds. All is quiet. You might see something in the dark. You start to raise your right arm, and the gun, pointing downwards, get to about hip height. A police officer shoots three shots without any warning and kills you.

From the perspective of the officer, he and his fellow officers had responded to a 911 report of
domestic violence involving multiple gunshots and expected to find a suspect who had been violent before. A man came out into the driveway after midnight holding a pistol in his right hand. After
nine seconds of walking, during which he carried the pistol but kept it pointed at the ground, the man stopped and faced the walkway leading up to his front door, where the officer was positioned in the dark. While facing the officer, the man started to raise the pistol. Only a very short time, about one second, passed between the man starting to raise his pistol and the officer firing. No words were spoken.

Qualified immunity. After all, qualified immunity leaves “room for mistaken judgments.”

An officer in Snook’s position during the rapidly unfolding events on that dark night reasonably could have believed that the man raising a pistol in his direction was about to shoot him, and our precedent establishes he could “respond with deadly force to protect himself.” Hunter, 941 F.3d at 1279. Snook didn’t have to wait until David Powell fired his gun to return fire in self-defense. See Long, 508 F.3d at 581. Warnings are not always required before the use of deadly force. See Penley, 605 F.3d at 854 n.6; Carr, 338 F.3d at 1269 n.19. And as we’ve explained, giving a warning in the seconds before David raised his gun wasn’t a clearly established requirement, see Shaw, 884 F.3d at 1100 (noting the “special allowance” for officers in uncertain situations), and giving a warning in the one second between David raising his gun and Snook firing wasn’t feasible.


Something similar (minus the dying part) happened to an acquaintance of mine who owns a small business. He was in his business which was locked up after closing and as he would learn later, there were reports of someone trying to break into another building in the same plaza. But the police, apparently having no clue about where their suspect was, tried to break into his business. They attempted to go through his locked back door and kept trying to open it, so he went out through the front and walked around the building and when he saw someone there behind his business, he simply asked "what are you doing?" and the cop drew a gun on him. They handcuffed him and left him handcuffed for an hour after he verified his identity as the owner of the business and when they let him go they told him he was lucky they didn't kill him.
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Wed Feb 09, 2022 7:14 pm

our anger at the cops for murdering people makes them feel bad, making them the true victims
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Postby Hemakral » Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:59 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:our anger at the cops for murdering people makes them feel bad, making them the true victims

and sometimes people even say mean things about them! >:(
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Postby Big Bad Blue » Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:01 pm

Minneapolis council members launch move to reform public safety without a referendum. Turns out a unanimous Council and Mayor can change the city charter without a vote. This is not over.

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Andsed wrote:It never gets any less shocking seeing just how trigger happy cops are. Whitaker was literally getting on the ground very clearly complying and he still got shot in the back. Having a gun around police is absurdly dangerous. The odds the fuckers will shoot you no matter how much your complying because they feel ¨threatned¨ is stupidly high. You do not even need a gun, you could be on the ground with your hands in the air and the police might still shoot you. It is fucking nuts how quick cops are to start pulling out firearms.

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Walking down the street with an automatic rifle having just shot three people however gets you a pass. If you're white that is.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Thu Feb 10, 2022 8:16 pm

Big Bad Blue wrote:Walking down the street with an automatic rifle having just shot three people however gets you a pass. If you're white that is.

Yugoslavia and Northern Ireland had some hard core events.

I mean you're talking about Automatic rifles so I have to assume you're either talking about the Yugoslav wars or the Troubles. There's no event in recent American History of a White Person shooting three people with an automatic rifle.
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