US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Novus America]

I'm just wondering... is drywall seriously that easy to break?

Yes. You can punch a hole in it with your bare hands without too much effort.

It is also quite easy to cut. So that you can easily cut out and replace damaged pieces. (Most should know how to do basic drywall repair, it is not hard) It is designed to be easy to install and repair, but is largely decorative. It really does not provide or have much in terms of structural strength. You can put a nail through it with basically no effort at all too.

Even the BBs from an airgun go straight through it.

Based on tests I have seen done a 9mm can easily go through 15 sheets of drywall.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yes. You can punch a hole in it with your bare hands without too much effort.

It is also quite easy to cut. So that you can easily cut out and replace damaged pieces. (Most should know how to do basic drywall repair, it is not hard) It is designed to be easy to install and repair, but is largely decorative. It really does not provide or have much in terms of structural strength. You can put a nail through it with basically no effort at all too.

Even the BBs from an airgun go straight through it.

Based on tests I have seen done a 9mm can easily go through 15 sheets of drywall.

Correct, it's why I always laugh when people say you should just get a shotgun for defense. These people have no idea how much power 12 gauge buckshot has.

[Lanoraie II]

It is also quite easy to cut. So that you can easily cut out and replace damaged pieces. (Most should know how to do basic drywall repair, it is not hard) It is designed to be easy to install and repair, but is largely decorative. It really does not provide or have much in terms of structural strength. You can put a nail through it with basically no effort at all too.

Even the BBs from an airgun go straight through it.

Based on tests I have seen done a 9mm can easily go through 15 sheets of drywall.

Correct, it's why I always laugh when people say you should just get a shotgun for defense. These people have no idea how much power 12 gauge buckshot has.

If America wasn't built on toothpicks and cardboard, a shotgun would be more viable, but you shoot that thing in your McMansion and you're looking at some serious damage to your walls.

[Big Jim P]

It is also quite easy to cut. So that you can easily cut out and replace damaged pieces. (Most should know how to do basic drywall repair, it is not hard) It is designed to be easy to install and repair, but is largely decorative. It really does not provide or have much in terms of structural strength. You can put a nail through it with basically no effort at all too.

Even the BBs from an airgun go straight through it.

Based on tests I have seen done a 9mm can easily go through 15 sheets of drywall.

Correct, it's why I always laugh when people say you should just get a shotgun for defense. These people have no idea how much power 12 gauge buckshot has.

Well, many have been taught that the shot will spread out into a cloud the instant it leaves the barrel, so it;s not surprising.

[Lanoraie II]

Yes, because bank managers are better at identifying bad checks than patrolman are.

Clearly not. And we will note that this matter was resolved when Morrow's employer was called. So the police didn't have to confirm themselves that the cheque was legitimate, they could have just not cuffed him and had his employer called.

I'm not sure why you're upset at him being cuffed. He was being detained, and officers can detain someone by placing them in cuffs. That does not mean he's being arrested. His civil rights were not violated.

[Gravlen]

That cop gives morons a bad name. I watched the video. Subject was retreating, with his hands up and Rambo steps around the corner, says nothing and pops three rounds. One hit the suspect and two went through the wall striking and killing the girl. Now two people are dead because of a hotheaded cop that pushed his way to the front of the formation like a kid in kindergarten.

I'm just wondering... is drywall seriously that easy to break?

Will your house STOP A BULLET? Guest Star - Tori from Myth Busters

[Gravlen]

did nothing wrong? the dude had his hands up and was retreating and was gunned down for doing the right thing.

According to the article provided, they shot when he assaulted another person.

If you look at the video, you'll see that at the moment he fires the perpetrator has backed away from the assaulted woman and he is not presently making any threatening moves with his bikelock.

The officer should not have fired. Unfortunately, it's unlikely he'll be prosecuted for manslaughter.

[Neutraligon]

That cop gives morons a bad name. I watched the video. Subject was retreating, with his hands up and Rambo steps around the corner, says nothing and pops three rounds. One hit the suspect and two went through the wall striking and killing the girl. Now two people are dead because of a hotheaded cop that pushed his way to the front of the formation like a kid in kindergarten.

I'm just wondering... is drywall seriously that easy to break?

Yes. That is one of the reasons why guns are such an issue in cities. Bullets can literally go through a number of apartments should a shot be missed. People are living right on top of each other, and that makes any stray bullet a lot more likely to hit someone, and walls provide little safety.

[Big Jim P]

I'm just wondering... is drywall seriously that easy to break?

Yes. That is one of the reasons why guns are such an issue in cities. Bullets can literally go through a number of apartments should a shot be missed. People are living right on top of each other, and that makes any stray bullet a lot more likely to hit someone, and walls provide little safety.

This is one of the reasons that one of the major gun safety rules is "know your target and know whats behind your target.

[Ifreann]

Clearly not. And we will note that this matter was resolved when Morrow's employer was called. So the police didn't have to confirm themselves that the cheque was legitimate, they could have just not cuffed him and had his employer called.

I'm not sure why you're upset at him being cuffed. He was being detained, and officers can detain someone by placing them in cuffs. That does not mean he's being arrested. His civil rights were not violated.

Do you think it's nice to have your hands cuffed and have your movement limited until and unless a cop decides to let you go? Do you think that's just a neutral thing to happen to when you're trying to lodge your wages?

[American Legionaries]

According to the article provided, they shot when he assaulted another person.

If you look at the video, you'll see that at the moment he fires the perpetrator has backed away from the assaulted woman and he is not presently making any threatening moves with his bikelock.

The officer should not have fired. Unfortunately, it's unlikely he'll be prosecuted for manslaughter.

I haven't seen the video. I just read what the article quoted as the LAPD saying. Not to say I doubt you, it's the LAPD, it's not hard to believe they'd kill someone and lie to cover their own stupidity.

[American Legionaries]

It is also quite easy to cut. So that you can easily cut out and replace damaged pieces. (Most should know how to do basic drywall repair, it is not hard) It is designed to be easy to install and repair, but is largely decorative. It really does not provide or have much in terms of structural strength. You can put a nail through it with basically no effort at all too.

Even the BBs from an airgun go straight through it.

Based on tests I have seen done a 9mm can easily go through 15 sheets of drywall.

Correct, it's why I always laugh when people say you should just get a shotgun for defense. These people have no idea how much power 12 gauge buckshot has.

I keep my shotgun loaded with 00 buck, but my nearest neighbor is 3/4 of a mile away.

[Gravlen]

If you look at the video, you'll see that at the moment he fires the perpetrator has backed away from the assaulted woman and he is not presently making any threatening moves with his bikelock.

The officer should not have fired. Unfortunately, it's unlikely he'll be prosecuted for manslaughter.

I haven't seen the video. I just read what the article quoted as the LAPD saying. Not to say I doubt you, it's the LAPD, it's not hard to believe they'd kill someone and lie to cover their own stupidity.

The video can be found here. The relevant bit starts at the 29 minute mark in the video linked to in the article.

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Cops don't usually take the time to consider what they're shooting through anyway.

Honestly, if someone I care about was kidnapped, I'd be more afraid of them being killed by the cops as collateral damage than killed by the kidnappers.

[American Legionaries]

Cops don't usually take the time to consider what they're shooting through anyway.

Honestly, if someone I care about was kidnapped, I'd be more afraid of them being killed by the cops as collateral damage than killed by the kidnappers.

Not reasonably so.

[Spokesland]

That's really sad to see that that bullet went through and hit her, the cop did the right thing because he believed that the suspect could do harm to others so he responded with a decision to use deadly force, but again very sad

did nothing wrong? the dude had his hands up and was retreating and was gunned down for doing the right thing.

First off, direct me to the point in the video where the suspect has his hands raised, when I have reviewed the video I cannot see his hands being raised. Second, deadly force is always a last resort and is reserved for times when an officer believes that the suspect could do more harm to others, there must have been something that the officer saw and reacted to, but like stated in the video attached to the article there are more questions than answers at the moment. Third, the officers and police department had reason to believe that the suspect was in possession of a firearm at the time, one of the 911 calls they had received had stated that the man was armed with a gun, since the officers knew this they would not be as hesitant to open fire if the suspect appeared to be any threat.

As stated above there are more questions than answers so some of my words/ideas here may be debunked or proven right in the future
Here is the article I have read off of: https://globalnews.ca/news/8475979/la-police-video-girl-killed-dressing-room/

[Lanoraie II]

Cops don't usually take the time to consider what they're shooting through anyway.

Honestly, if someone I care about was kidnapped, I'd be more afraid of them being killed by the cops as collateral damage than killed by the kidnappers.

Is this bait? I think you've been sipping the CNN juice a little too hard, friend. Even US cops aren't typically that obtuse.

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Cops don't usually take the time to consider what they're shooting through anyway.

Honestly, if someone I care about was kidnapped, I'd be more afraid of them being killed by the cops as collateral damage than killed by the kidnappers.

Is this bait? I think you've been sipping the CNN juice a little too hard, friend. Even US cops aren't typically that obtuse.

"The CNN juice." No, I don't accept juice from right-wing capitalists.

[Gravlen]

Second, deadly force is always a last resort and is reserved for times when an officer believes that the suspect could do more harm to others, there must have been something that the officer saw and reacted to, but like stated in the video attached to the article there are more questions than answers at the moment.

Must there?

[Great Algerstonia]

Cops don't usually take the time to consider what they're shooting through anyway.

Honestly, if someone I care about was kidnapped, I'd be more afraid of them being killed by the cops as collateral damage than killed by the kidnappers.

Then your priorities are outright wrong, what if they were kidnapped by traffickers or rapists?

[Vassenor]

So have we had all the stuff in the media about how it was OK for her to die because of things none of the officers could’ve known yet?

[Spokesland]

Second, deadly force is always a last resort and is reserved for times when an officer believes that the suspect could do more harm to others, there must have been something that the officer saw and reacted to, but like stated in the video attached to the article there are more questions than answers at the moment.

Must there?

I believe so, officers are trained about when to do what, I would like to believe that there was something and the officer had reason to do what he did, that may or may not be right, but its what I'm choosing to believe right now

[Fahran]

Cops don't usually take the time to consider what they're shooting through anyway.

Honestly, if someone I care about was kidnapped, I'd be more afraid of them being killed by the cops as collateral damage than killed by the kidnappers.

I'm not certain how reflective this perception is of the actual reality. While unjustified police homicides are a serious issue and politically salient at the moment, they tend to be far less common than either justified police homicides or homicides completely unrelated to the police. A violent criminal is more likely to murder your loved one, all things being equal, than a police officer. That said, it'd be great if the risk of both was zero. And, as has been pointed out, we should hold police officers to a higher standard than criminals.

[Fahran]

I believe so, officers are trained about when to do what, I would like to believe that there was something and the officer had reason to do what he did, that may or may not be right, but its what I'm choosing to believe right now

Some people do not have the proper temperament and discipline to function adequately as law enforcement officers under pressure, and, even folks who do possess both, can make unjustifiable mistakes. We should not assume, without evidence, that the officer in question made the right call or even that they had a rational justification for thinking they had made the right call.

[-Astoria-]

So have we had all the stuff in the media about how it was OK for her to die because of things none of the officers could’ve known yet?

Seems there's no closet skeletons yet.