US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[North Washington Republic]

Because holding people hostage is a crime and an act of violence. That’s why.

How tragic.

Well, I hope it never happens to you. Because it’s a horrible and traumatic experience.

[Uiiop]

Sit-ins under your definition are all about terrorizing business owners who were probably not all white people. They were a key part of the CRM and as such your Generalizations are faulty even if the specific incident sucked(Though TBQH i don't think it necessarily matters either way anymore than the riots back in the CRM).

Comparing sit-ins to holding someone hostage is just ridiculous and nonsensical. The sitins were not preventing anyone leaving or moving. Standing in front of someone’s car, preventing them to move, screaming at them, asking them to sign something under duress is nothing like the sit-ins.

Such things and boycotts absolutely are meant to confront and disrupt businesses and their live hoods. Just because they're not directly in your face like this doesn't mean they weren't taking people economically hostage.

Also, having aggressive body language isn’t the same thing as holding someone hostage.

Johnson whole thing as a lot more than that what matters is he terrorized the shit out of everyone.:

an incredible, potent mixture of persuasion, badgering, flattery, threats, reminders of past favors and future advantages

I doubt the people under wouldn't say they were hostage if they could think straight. Hostage after all isn't all about literal physicality. If he was just stopping from someone wouldn't fit the definition.

[North Washington Republic]

Comparing sit-ins to holding someone hostage is just ridiculous and nonsensical. The sitins were not preventing anyone leaving or moving. Standing in front of someone’s car, preventing them to move, screaming at them, asking them to sign something under duress is nothing like the sit-ins.

Such things and boycotts absolutely are meant to confront and disrupt businesses and their live hoods. Just because they're not directly in your face like this doesn't mean they weren't taking people economically hostage.

Also, having aggressive body language isn’t the same thing as holding someone hostage.

Johnson whole thing as a lot more than that what matters is he terrorized the shit out of everyone.

Not allowing freedom of movement ≠ boycotting someone business.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Love or hate it, it is arguably partially the police's job. They're enforcing property rights and keeping property values high. Even if I were homeless, I can understand where they're coming from if they want someone to leave if they don't have a right to stay there.

The homeless in California aren't even all locals from what I've read, it is often people from other states that are attracted to cities like Los Angeles or San Francisco because of the relatively good year round weather and generous welfare/aid programs compared to other places.

Credit where credit is due, at least you acknowledge what the police force's priorities are.

I wouldn't call San Fran's weather good though, it's probably the only city in the lower 48 where people are wearing sweaters today.

Sai takes pretty much the wrong side of every single issue.

[Greater Cesnica]

How tragic.

Well, I hope it never happens to you. Because it’s a horrible and traumatic experience.

I've been through way worse.

[Uiiop]

Such things and boycotts absolutely are meant to confront and disrupt businesses and their live hoods. Just because they're not directly in your face like this doesn't mean they weren't taking people economically hostage.

Johnson whole thing as a lot more than that what matters is he terrorized the shit out of everyone.

Not allowing freedom of movement ≠ boycotting someone business.

Sure I'd grant they're disctint but i can't seem to care about protestors Just doing that even if it's wrong. The world where a group both can and must have perfect decorum doesn't not exist. The world we have has "Hostage taking" like this even besides all my other examples a valid tool in convincing people or at least but not an real unproductive tool. It's fair to not like the action like I do but it just doesn't matter.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Minneapolis City Council VP Andrea Jenkins Says Activists Held Her Captive

Gotta love those “peaceful anarchists” that hold a black trans women hostage.

Well, they're probably the types who think Jacobin France was liberating.

[North Washington Republic]

Well, I hope it never happens to you. Because it’s a horrible and traumatic experience.

I've been through way worse.

Well, I’m sorry to hear that. However, your experience doesn’t diminish the experience that others have. What happened here was holding someone hostage and forcing them to agree to their demands, which leads to nothing. It does not advance or help anyone. If they knew basic contract law, they would know that a contract is null and void if it’s signed under duress.

[North Washington Republic]

Minneapolis City Council VP Andrea Jenkins Says Activists Held Her Captive

Gotta love those “peaceful anarchists” that hold a black trans women hostage.

Well, they're probably the types who think Jacobin France was liberating.

Well, they are anarchists.

[Greater Cesnica]

I've been through way worse.

Well, I’m sorry to hear that. However, your experience doesn’t diminish the experience that others have. What happened here was holding someone hostage and forcing them to agree to their demands, which leads to nothing. It does not advance or help anyone. If they knew basic contract law, they would know that a contract is null and void if it’s signed under duress.

I get the impression that the activists were just pissed off. Anyone with a brain knows that this shit doesn't work. That they didn't further harm this person shows that they just wanted to vent.

[Uiiop]

Minneapolis City Council VP Andrea Jenkins Says Activists Held Her Captive

Gotta love those “peaceful anarchists” that hold a black trans women hostage.

Well, they're probably the types who think Jacobin France was liberating.

Not everyone who acts like a unproductive dick is an extremists. This seems more like an emotional act than choice determined by extremism.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Well, they're probably the types who think Jacobin France was liberating.

Well, they are anarchists.

While I'm hardly an apologist for the status quo, I'm not in favor of anarchism either. I think this is a symptom of a terrible status quo to be honest, even though actions like that by anarchists are not justified. Our system is failing, and it gives rise to extremists.

[Uiiop]

Well, they are anarchists.

While I'm hardly an apologist for the status quo, I'm not in favor of anarchism either. I think this is a symptom of a terrible status quo to be honest, even though most actions like that by anarchists are not justified.

This is what i mean by big picture. Stop just focusing about people being assholes and remove the reasons they are. Our system isn't going to change by only tone policing.
Not that it would stop these people from getting pent. At least with by just calling him criminals.

[The Reformed American Republic]

While I'm hardly an apologist for the status quo, I'm not in favor of anarchism either. I think this is a symptom of a terrible status quo to be honest, even though most actions like that by anarchists are not justified.

This is what i mean by big picture. Stop just focusing about people being assholes and remove the reasons they are. Our system isn't going to change by only tone policing.
Not that it would stop these people from getting pent. At least with by just calling him criminals.

I do not support their behavior though. I'm going to make that clear, and if things were better, I would call for their arrest.

[Ifreann]

Kowani wasn't saying anything of the sort.
The current police establishment excesses have nothing to do with addressing crime surges and it seems faulty to implicitly frame it being punished as the reason for an surge of things they are mostly crap at solving.

The reason why it’s “crap” is because Minneapolis doesn’t have enough police to meet the demand. The demoralizing of police has also made less people want to become cops. This includes good people that would have been wonderful police offices. Because you know, “AlL cOpS aRe BaStArDs”

Minneapolis has 750 cops, 84% of the 888 cops they are authorised to have. If that is an insufficient numbers of cops to meet demand...then we would expect a spike in petty crimes. Logically, the police will prioritise serious crimes, right? It would be insane to suggest that they're ignoring murders because they're busy arresting teenagers for underage drinking, it would obviously be the other way around. If murders are going up then it's either something unrelated to police numbers of the police are choosing not to put their slightly lower than normal number of cops on the murder cases.

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Well, you made the initial post telling us about this literal who named Andrea Jenkins. Why should we care about her being accosted by activists?

She was literally held hostage...

She literally wasn't. Not being able to leave an area is not being held hostage. That is literally not what the term "held hostage" means.

[The Reformed American Republic]

The reason why it’s “crap” is because Minneapolis doesn’t have enough police to meet the demand. The demoralizing of police has also made less people want to become cops. This includes good people that would have been wonderful police offices. Because you know, “AlL cOpS aRe BaStArDs”

Minneapolis has 750 cops, 84% of the 888 cops they are authorised to have. If that is an insufficient numbers of cops to meet demand...then we would expect a spike in petty crimes. Logically, the police will prioritise serious crimes, right? It would be insane to suggest that they're ignoring murders because they're busy arresting teenagers for underage drinking, it would obviously be the other way around. If murders are going up then it's either something unrelated to police numbers of the police are choosing not to put their slightly lower than normal number of cops on the murder cases.

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She was literally held hostage...

She literally wasn't. Not being able to leave an area is not being held hostage. That is literally not what the term "held hostage" means.

It is however false imprisonment.

[Uiiop]

This is what i mean by big picture. Stop just focusing about people being assholes and remove the reasons they are. Our system isn't going to change by only tone policing.
Not that it would stop these people from getting pent. At least with by just calling him criminals.

I do not support their behavior though. I'm going to make that clear, and if things were better, I would call for their arrest.

I can condemn this instance but just not this whole tactic. People getting in politicians face and keeping them in is a huge part of town protests. 90 mins of that seemly ended without an third party is just business with the wrong target not hostage taking. If was indefinite or they actually moved her that would be an bigger issue but my problems with it are different and smaller than ya'lls.

Like " But it's not binding" i don't they think they even care about legal theory. Even polite activists getting politicians to sign shit don't take it literally.

[Ifreann]

Minneapolis has 750 cops, 84% of the 888 cops they are authorised to have. If that is an insufficient numbers of cops to meet demand...then we would expect a spike in petty crimes. Logically, the police will prioritise serious crimes, right? It would be insane to suggest that they're ignoring murders because they're busy arresting teenagers for underage drinking, it would obviously be the other way around. If murders are going up then it's either something unrelated to police numbers of the police are choosing not to put their slightly lower than normal number of cops on the murder cases.

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She literally wasn't. Not being able to leave an area is not being held hostage. That is literally not what the term "held hostage" means.

It is however false imprisonment.

Is it false imprisonment for protesters to confront a politician in public? I suppose it might be. But it isn't hostage taking.

[North Washington Republic]

The reason why it’s “crap” is because Minneapolis doesn’t have enough police to meet the demand. The demoralizing of police has also made less people want to become cops. This includes good people that would have been wonderful police offices. Because you know, “AlL cOpS aRe BaStArDs”

Minneapolis has 750 cops, 84% of the 888 cops they are authorised to have. If that is an insufficient numbers of cops to meet demand...then we would expect a spike in petty crimes. Logically, the police will prioritise serious crimes, right? It would be insane to suggest that they're ignoring murders because they're busy arresting teenagers for underage drinking, it would obviously be the other way around. If murders are going up then it's either something unrelated to police numbers of the police are choosing not to put their slightly lower than normal number of cops on the murder cases.

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She was literally held hostage...

She literally wasn't. Not being able to leave an area is not being held hostage. That is literally not what the term "held hostage" means.

Well, having police presence will have a decrease in violent crime, especially these stray shootings that are happening, which has resulted in the death of two children in Minneapolis. There was also a teenager that was killed by a stray bullet while watching drag races less than 3 miles from where I live.

I agree, the Police should focus on preventing violent crime than busting a house party of teens drinking and smoking pot. We can have that type of policy change. That is what I consider part of reasonable reform to law-enforcement. I also believe that people that are having a mental health break down and are not violent should not be responded by a police officer. These individuals need a medical response, not that of law enforcement. But we cannot defund the police or God forbid abolish the police.


As for the situation with Council vice president Jenkins, yes she was being held hostage. She was preventing from leaving the area and was held captive against her will. How can the ACAB/anarchists who claim to care about BIPOC people holds black trans women of color hostage and force her to sign something under duress? She is doing her job. The people in her constituency support her and her efforts to reopen George Floyd Square. People that want to keep it an autonomous zone don’t live there.
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[Uiiop]

It is however false imprisonment.

Is it false imprisonment for protesters to confront a politician in public? I suppose it might be. But it isn't hostage taking.

While she was understandable uncomfortable we don't know whether they wanted to keep her there or if she was too shook to move slowly.

Wouldn't justly this but it wouldn't be illegal.

[North Washington Republic]

Is it false imprisonment for protesters to confront a politician in public? I suppose it might be. But it isn't hostage taking.

While she was understandable uncomfortable we don't know whether they wanted to keep her there or if she was too shook to move slowly.

Wouldn't justly this but it wouldn't be illegal.

She said that she was held hostage and held against her will for more than an hour. She was a victim of a crime.

[Uiiop]

While she was understandable uncomfortable we don't know whether they wanted to keep her there or if she was too shook to move slowly.

Wouldn't justly this but it wouldn't be illegal.

She said that she was held hostage and held against her will for more than an hour. She was a victim of a crime.

Courts aren't just decided on the plaintiff word even if it was made in good faith.

[North Washington Republic]

She said that she was held hostage and held against her will for more than an hour. She was a victim of a crime.

Courts aren't just decided on the plaintiff word.

There is video showing her being prevented to leave. She said that she wasn’t going to sign anything, she was being yelled and screamed at in a very threatening matter. She was forced to sign something under duress. Which makes it automatically invalid.

Let me reiterate. They did this to a black trans women that is trying work her hardest to work for her constituents. She is pushing for police reform and actually support cutting the police’s budget, which I disagree with. She supports community oversight for policing.

They held a black trans women of color that is on their side hostage, all because she not radical enough for them.

[Ifreann]

Minneapolis has 750 cops, 84% of the 888 cops they are authorised to have. If that is an insufficient numbers of cops to meet demand...then we would expect a spike in petty crimes. Logically, the police will prioritise serious crimes, right? It would be insane to suggest that they're ignoring murders because they're busy arresting teenagers for underage drinking, it would obviously be the other way around. If murders are going up then it's either something unrelated to police numbers of the police are choosing not to put their slightly lower than normal number of cops on the murder cases.

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She literally wasn't. Not being able to leave an area is not being held hostage. That is literally not what the term "held hostage" means.

Well, having police presence will have a decrease in violent crime, especially these stray shootings that are happening, which has resulted in the death of two children in Minneapolis. There was also a teenager that was killed by a stray bullet while watching drag races less than 3 miles from where I live.

I agree, the Police should focus on preventing violent crime than busting a house party of teens drinking and smoking pot. We can have that type of policy change. That is what I consider part of reasonable reform to law-enforcement. I also believe that people that are having a mental health break down and are not violent should not be responded by a police officer. These individuals need a medical response, not that of law enforcement. But we cannot defund the police or God forbid abolish the police.

I'm not asking you about policy changes you might support, I'm asking you to explain how the murder rate in Minneapolis can be a result of having too few police when they have only slightly fewer police and the police would obviously not deprioritise serious crimes like murder. The Minneapolis police weren't defunded.

As for the situation with Council vice president Jenkins, yes she was being held hostage. She was preventing from leaving the area and was held captive against her will. How can the ACAB/anarchists who claim to care about BIPOC people holds black trans women of color hostage and force her to sign something under duress? She is doing her job. The people in her constituency support her and her efforts to reopen George Floyd Square. People that want to keep it an autonomous zone don’t live there.
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She wasn't being held hostage. Being prevented from leaving an area is not being held hostage. That is not what the phrase "held hostage" means. You are literally wrong.

[Uiiop]

Well, having police presence will have a decrease in violent crime, especially these stray shootings that are happening, which has resulted in the death of two children in Minneapolis. There was also a teenager that was killed by a stray bullet while watching drag races less than 3 miles from where I live.

I agree, the Police should focus on preventing violent crime than busting a house party of teens drinking and smoking pot. We can have that type of policy change. That is what I consider part of reasonable reform to law-enforcement. I also believe that people that are having a mental health break down and are not violent should not be responded by a police officer. These individuals need a medical response, not that of law enforcement. But we cannot defund the police or God forbid abolish the police.

I'm not asking you about policy changes you might support, I'm asking you to explain how the murder rate in Minneapolis can be a result of having too few police when they have only slightly fewer police and the police would obviously not deprioritise serious crimes like murder. The Minneapolis police weren't defunded.

As for the situation with Council vice president Jenkins, yes she was being held hostage. She was preventing from leaving the area and was held captive against her will. How can the ACAB/anarchists who claim to care about BIPOC people holds black trans women of color hostage and force her to sign something under duress? She is doing her job. The people in her constituency support her and her efforts to reopen George Floyd Square. People that want to keep it an autonomous zone don’t live there.
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She wasn't being held hostage. Being prevented from leaving an area is not being held hostage. That is not what the phrase "held hostage" means. You are literally wrong.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/06/ ... r-captive/
The video shows one person in front of her and three peopel on the side walk.

...They couldn't stop her from leaving if they tried. The road was empty she could have rolled up done into reverse and moved away. Worse case a u-turn and a different street.

It was still dumb of them but talk about overblown.