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Postby Austreylia » Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:I believe it's established precedent in the US that the police do not have a legal duty to enforce the law. And any given police department certainly does routinely decide not to enforce the law from time to time.

Like when they stand by whilst violent rioters loot and vandalise across the city.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:58 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I believe it's established precedent in the US that the police do not have a legal duty to enforce the law. And any given police department certainly does routinely decide not to enforce the law from time to time.

Like when they stand by whilst violent rioters loot and vandalise across the city.

Great Post Austreylia, and when good, decent, police officer cops, like my good, decent, Cuban, police, officer Cop, refuse to do their jobs when leftists call for them to be defunded and call them all kinds of negative foul language words, as has happened and still happens. They deserve respect for risking their lives every day for all of us, right wingers, leftists, and whatever's. Blue Lives Matter. To make the point very clear, like these good cops I love:
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Postby Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:21 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I believe it's established precedent in the US that the police do not have a legal duty to enforce the law. And any given police department certainly does routinely decide not to enforce the law from time to time.

Like when they stand by whilst violent rioters loot and vandalise across the city.

They instigate said violent looting
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:27 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I believe it's established precedent in the US that the police do not have a legal duty to enforce the law. And any given police department certainly does routinely decide not to enforce the law from time to time.

Like when they stand by whilst violent rioters loot and vandalise across the city.


Sure didn't didn't that way when people protested peacefully in Lafayette Square. No, they got tear gassed for it.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:30 pm

Alcala-Cordel wrote:
Austreylia wrote:Like when they stand by whilst violent rioters loot and vandalise across the city.

They instigate said violent looting


Reminds me of that jackass who was breaking windows and stuff of various businesses right at the start of the George Floyd protests who was immediately doxxed and shown to be an active duty police officer lol
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:42 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I believe it's established precedent in the US that the police do not have a legal duty to enforce the law. And any given police department certainly does routinely decide not to enforce the law from time to time.

Like when they stand by whilst violent rioters loot and vandalise across the city.

Or when they wave someone off without a ticket for speeding, whatever. Point is, their job isn't to enforce the law. Sometimes they will enforce the law, and sometimes they won't.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:41 pm

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Alcala-Cordel wrote:They instigate said violent looting


Reminds me of that jackass who was breaking windows and stuff of various businesses right at the start of the George Floyd protests who was immediately doxxed and shown to be an active duty police officer lol

Reminds me and us of the actual leftists looters and crime breakers. The minority of the leftists who committed and still commit leftist violence from time to time.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:27 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Reminds me of that jackass who was breaking windows and stuff of various businesses right at the start of the George Floyd protests who was immediately doxxed and shown to be an active duty police officer lol

Reminds me and us of the actual leftists looters and crime breakers. The minority of the leftists who committed and still commit leftist violence from time to time.


A hell of alot of those violent agitators were far right or from the boogaloo crowd. Trump meanwhile couldn't prove that antifa was behind it.
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Postby Galloism » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:28 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Reminds me and us of the actual leftists looters and crime breakers. The minority of the leftists who committed and still commit leftist violence from time to time.


A hell of alot of those violent agitators were far right or from the boogaloo crowd. Trump meanwhile couldn't prove that antifa was behind it.

FYI, we have photos of BLM and Boogaloo posing together, knowing who each other were, as they were both against the government and therefore considered themselves on the same side.

Boogaloo is basically horseshoe theory personified. Both extreme right and extreme left saying "smash the state".
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:00 pm

Galloism wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
A hell of alot of those violent agitators were far right or from the boogaloo crowd. Trump meanwhile couldn't prove that antifa was behind it.

FYI, we have photos of BLM and Boogaloo posing together, knowing who each other were, as they were both against the government and therefore considered themselves on the same side.

Boogaloo is basically horseshoe theory personified. Both extreme right and extreme left saying "smash the state".


That's because boog has no ideology beyond "gun rights should be protected through all means, especially violent ones". You can have a Nazi and a communist both be boog, it's peak horseshoe and I love it.
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Postby North Washington Republic » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Galloism wrote:FYI, we have photos of BLM and Boogaloo posing together, knowing who each other were, as they were both against the government and therefore considered themselves on the same side.

Boogaloo is basically horseshoe theory personified. Both extreme right and extreme left saying "smash the state".


That's because boog has no ideology beyond "gun rights should be protected through all means, especially violent ones". You can have a Nazi and a communist both be boog, it's peak horseshoe and I love it.


It’s more like most “boogs” are black pilled misanthropes that want to watch and/or participate in the world burning. This is why white nationalists like them too, they think they can help incite the race war.
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North Washington Republic wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's because boog has no ideology beyond "gun rights should be protected through all means, especially violent ones". You can have a Nazi and a communist both be boog, it's peak horseshoe and I love it.


It’s more like most “boogs” are black pilled misanthropes that want to watch and/or participate in the world burning. This is why white nationalists like them too, they think they can help incite the race war.


I was one of the original boog bois circa 2014 on /k/, I know full well what it is don't worry anon.
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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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It’s more like most “boogs” are black pilled misanthropes that want to watch and/or participate in the world burning. This is why white nationalists like them too, they think they can help incite the race war.


I was one of the original boog bois circa 2014 on /k/, I know full well what it is don't worry anon.


Don’t call me “anon”. It brings back bad memories when I was on /b/ and /pol/ back in 2009-2014. It’s obvious that they’re just misanthropes that hate themselves and they blame the wider society for that.
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In the wake of yet another law enforcement killing of a Black man, two Minnesota counties are pulling out of the US Marshall's Fugitive Task Force. The task force does not allow members to wear body cams or activate dashboard cams.
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Postauthoritarian America wrote:In the wake of yet another law enforcement killing of a Black man, two Minnesota counties are pulling out of the US Marshall's Fugitive Task Force. The task force does not allow members to wear body cams or activate dashboard cams.


Every single armed LEO should wear a body camera.
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North Washington Republic wrote:
Postauthoritarian America wrote:In the wake of yet another law enforcement killing of a Black man, two Minnesota counties are pulling out of the US Marshall's Fugitive Task Force. The task force does not allow members to wear body cams or activate dashboard cams.


Every single armed LEO should wear a body camera.

Seriously it does as much to protect them as it does to protect the populous
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:04 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
North Washington Republic wrote:
Every single armed LEO should wear a body camera.

Seriously it does as much to protect them as it does to protect the populous

this is also not true
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First and most obviously, it is possible the null finding needs no explanation: the devices, in fact, have no effect on the measured behaviors, and the video footage they produce has no effect on judicial outcomes. Perhaps neither the officer nor citizen involved in an interaction are actually aware of the camera, either due to attention being diverted elsewhere or desensitization over time to the presence of the cameras. Alternately, the officer and citizen may notice the cameras, but other factors in the heat of the moment may override any deterrent effect the cameras may have had. In addition to examining average differences in outcomes for the treatment and control groups, we also conducted a time-series analysis that tracks both groups over time. This analysis allows us to consider whether strong initial effects may have washed out as officers became accustomed to the cameras; or, in the other direction, whether effects began weak but then strengthened as officers learned to use the cameras. However, as shown in Figures 4 and 5 below, we find that control and treatment group behaviors were similar both before and after the deployment of BWCs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3SEFddAKlY

Tfw you "follow orders" but the police still wreck your shit. Yeah, at this point I'm legitimately starting to wonder if you should just run as fast as you can if police are after you for any reason at all. Cause if you stop and do what they tell you, you could still leave with 4 bullets in your head and the right wing media machine demonizing you after death. This woman slowed down and still almost died. Just like how that kid in Chicago turned around after dropping his gun and still got shot, when maybe he'd he'd be alive if he had just kept running and managed to evade the police.

Or not, idk. All I'm saying is the cops sure as hell do not convince the public to follow their commands when the only reward for doing so increasingly seems to be the same thing as if you didn't.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:11 am

Postauthoritarian America wrote:In the wake of yet another law enforcement killing of a Black man, two Minnesota counties are pulling out of the US Marshall's Fugitive Task Force. The task force does not allow members to wear body cams or activate dashboard cams.


Why? What are they trying to hide?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:21 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3SEFddAKlY

Tfw you "follow orders" but the police still wreck your shit. Yeah, at this point I'm legitimately starting to wonder if you should just run as fast as you can if police are after you for any reason at all. Cause if you stop and do what they tell you, you could still leave with 4 bullets in your head and the right wing media machine demonizing you after death. This woman slowed down and still almost died. Just like how that kid in Chicago turned around after dropping his gun and still got shot, when maybe he'd he'd be alive if he had just kept running and managed to evade the police.

Or not, idk. All I'm saying is the cops sure as hell do not convince the public to follow their commands when the only reward for doing so increasingly seems to be the same thing as if you didn't.

They'll shoot you if you run, though. The trick seems to be never interacting in the first instance. The only winning move is not to play.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:38 am

Ifreann wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3SEFddAKlY

Tfw you "follow orders" but the police still wreck your shit. Yeah, at this point I'm legitimately starting to wonder if you should just run as fast as you can if police are after you for any reason at all. Cause if you stop and do what they tell you, you could still leave with 4 bullets in your head and the right wing media machine demonizing you after death. This woman slowed down and still almost died. Just like how that kid in Chicago turned around after dropping his gun and still got shot, when maybe he'd he'd be alive if he had just kept running and managed to evade the police.

Or not, idk. All I'm saying is the cops sure as hell do not convince the public to follow their commands when the only reward for doing so increasingly seems to be the same thing as if you didn't.

They'll shoot you if you run, though. The trick seems to be never interacting in the first instance. The only winning move is not to play.


When I see police, I do my best best stay out of sight. If they're driving right by me i just hope for the best.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:18 am

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3SEFddAKlY

Tfw you "follow orders" but the police still wreck your shit. Yeah, at this point I'm legitimately starting to wonder if you should just run as fast as you can if police are after you for any reason at all. Cause if you stop and do what they tell you, you could still leave with 4 bullets in your head and the right wing media machine demonizing you after death. This woman slowed down and still almost died. Just like how that kid in Chicago turned around after dropping his gun and still got shot, when maybe he'd he'd be alive if he had just kept running and managed to evade the police.

Or not, idk. All I'm saying is the cops sure as hell do not convince the public to follow their commands when the only reward for doing so increasingly seems to be the same thing as if you didn't.


Disgusting.
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Oklahoma inmates to begin receiving computer tablets that include free content such as prison policies, access to a law library, books, as well as educational and self-help materials

Inmates at an Oklahoma prison began receiving special computer tablets this week, as part of a Department of Corrections plan to provide secure tablets to everyone incarcerated in state prisons.

The devices, specially designed by prisons communications company Securus Technologies, will include free content such as prison policies, access to a law library, some books and educational and self-help materials. Inmates can also pay to receive music, movies, games and television programs, as well as to send and receive messages, including video messages, to and from their families. The tablets do not have unrestricted access to the internet. Usually, inmates wanting to receive educational or vocational training must be escorted to a classroom or program location. But inmates can now receive those services directly on the tablet, said Mike Carpenter, chief of technical services and operations at the Corrections Department.

“The education and programming, that’s huge for us,” Carpenter said.

On Tuesday, North Fork Correctional Center inmate Byron Robinson, who has been incarcerated since 2005 — the same year YouTube was founded — said the tablet was totally new to him.

“I’ve never even touched one of these things until today,” Robinson said. “It’s mindboggling, really, how much this thing can do.”

Similar programs allowing inmates to access secure tablets have been rolled out in other states, including Arizona, Connecticut and Utah, but Oklahoma is one of the first in the nation to combine the company’s latest tablet and operating system.

In Pinal County, Arizona, officials started distributing tablets to inmates at the state’s third-largest jail in 2019, said Matt Hedrick, deputy chief of the detention center.

“It has been phenomenal,” Hedrick said.

Besides helping to keep inmates pacified, Hedrick said the jail scans incoming letters and photographs to an inmate’s tablet, reducing the chance for contraband to come into the facility and allowing inmates to have access to more personal photographs.

“Before you had rules on how many photos they could have in their cell, how many magazines,” he said. “Now that doesn’t happen. They can have as many as they want.” There are some drawbacks to providing inmates with tablets. According to a 2019 report from the Prison Policy Initiative, the “free” tablets frequently charge users above-market prices for services. Oklahoma’s contract with the company allows a 25-cent charge for emails and 75 cents for outbound video messages. Music can cost up to $1.99 per song or $14.99 per album, while the cost for one television episode can range from $1.70 to $2.28.

Some 21,000 inmates are currently incarcerated by the state, making the plan potentially very lucrative for Securus.

The Department of Corrections also benefits financially from the arrangement, receiving $3.5 million annually from the communications company for the first five years of the contract, and $3.75 million for the next five years.

“Our recent analysis of these contracts suggests that they actually put the interests of incarcerated people last, prioritizing cost savings and the provider’s bottom line,” the report said.

Sierra Kiplinger, who was released from prison in April, said that while inmates are excited about the new technology, she expressed concern about how much inmates have to pay to utilize the services.

"The phone calls for Securus are ridiculously high, and so I’m assuming if the phone calls are high, this is going to be even higher," she said.

State Rep. Justin Humphrey, chairman of the House Criminal Justice and Corrections Committee, said that while he supports the program, he believes public perception could be a problem.

"I don’t think the public is going to like it when they see we’re giving all these inmates tablets and they say, ‘My kid can’t get a tablet at school,'" Humphrey said.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:30 am

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Bear Stearns wrote:Defund the [federal] police


But not the state and local police who commit the same atrocities? What is it with you thinking the Feds are so particularly evil? A gang is a gang.


Are you ignorant of the massacres committed by US federal forces during this country's history?
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:42 am

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But not the state and local police who commit the same atrocities? What is it with you thinking the Feds are so particularly evil? A gang is a gang.


Are you ignorant of the massacres committed by US federal forces during this country's history?


It's about as bad as what the states themselves did.
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