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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:30 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
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Cops now confronting protesters, moving crowd down the street, lasers and flash bangs deployed

I strongly condemn any violence by the cops, like my good Cuban Cousin Police officer Cop if he were to commit any acts of violence like on black African American citizen George Floyd and other Black American citizens of the USA. I strongly condemn any acts of violence by any persons against any cops. Do you condemn all sides violence like I have and do many times, do any of you do?


All of the assaulting tonight in Mpls. so far is by cops against protesters, rushing at crowds with no warning, making arrests, using lasers and flash bangs. Nothing is being thrown at any cops, no one is using violence against cops. Unicorn Riot and other reporters are being attacked contrary to directives from the state Governor and public safety commissioner and Federal court orders.

Fire is out and cleared, a line of cops moving back and forth between a couple blocks on Lake St., protesters dispersed, press present at police line, at least one arrest.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:11 pm


Like for real, the problem is the video makes it look worse and sound worse. A Few Excerpts from the video and the Lady Reporter: Tensions quickly escalated as bottles were thrown and crowds of people were physically removed from the area.

A police spokesperson said eight officers suffered minor injuries while trying to clear the park. Most of the 23 people arrested were charged with disorderly conduct and given desk appearance tickets, the spokesperson said.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:33 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:

Like for real, the problem is the video makes it look worse and sound worse. A Few Excerpts from the video and the Lady Reporter: Tensions quickly escalated as bottles were thrown and crowds of people were physically removed from the area.

A police spokesperson said eight officers suffered minor injuries while trying to clear the park. Most of the 23 people arrested were charged with disorderly conduct and given desk appearance tickets, the spokesperson said.


That doesn't explain why the police were there, just how people reacted to them being there.
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Prosecutors in Baton Rouge attempt to jail professor for sharing publicly available body camera footage of cops strip-searching a minor

The Parish Attorney's Office for East Baton Rouge is seeking to jail a professor after he shared publicly available body camera footage showing a traffic stop where five Baton Rouge Police Department (BPRD) officers strip-searched a minor and then entered the family's home, with guns drawn, without a warrant or consent.

Thomas Frampton, associate professor of law at the University of Virginia, acquired the video, which was originally obtained and published by Reason. The report attracted significant national attention, ultimately prompting a BRPD press conference on May 28, when the department defended the strip search but said a review was underway as it pertained to the warrantless home entry.

During that presser, Frampton received notice that East Baton Rouge Parish Attorney Anderson "Andy" Dotson III, Assistant Parish Attorney Deelee S. Morris, and Special Assistant Parish Attorney Joseph K. Scott III had filed an order to hold him in contempt of court and put him behind bars for up to six months. The request cites a Louisiana state law that prohibits disseminating "records and reports" relevant to juvenile court proceedings.

Such a proceeding doesn't exist.

In a June 2 letter to Dotson obtained by Reason, Nora Ahmed, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Louisiana, notes that "there is not now (nor has there ever been) a 'matter or proceeding before the juvenile court' related to the events depicted on the videos." The government made the footage public in November of last year.

Dotson did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

The incident depicted occurred on January 1, 2020, when five BRPD cops strip-searched a minor and his brother, Clarence Green, then 23, because the officers allegedly smelled marijuana. After traveling to the Greens' household, they then conducted a warrantless search of the property. Green was indicted for illegally possessing a firearm, which he was prohibited from having while on probation for possession of oxycodone, according to incident reports.

He sat in jail for five months—until the state abruptly dropped the charges. Judge Brian A. Jackson of the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Louisiana signed off on that request, but in a highly unusual move, he took the opportunity to berate the police for their "serious and wanton disregard for [the Green family's] constitutional rights."

Clarence's brother, who was 16 at the time and whose name has been redacted since he is a juvenile, does not and did not have any proceedings against him.

Perhaps ironically, Dotson's petition to jail Frampton invokes the "substantial amount of negative correspondence from the public" that BRPD has received since the footage's release—as if that were an apt legal justification to jail someone for sharing public information. Frampton, who represented the Greens in a civil suit against BRPD, shared the video at the behest of the family. They recently settled with the city for $35,000.

Ahmed, who is representing the professor, tells Reason that "it's inescapable to think that [this] is not an attempt to ensure [he] does not speak out."

Indeed, there are some serious First Amendment implications, says Eugene Volokh, who is a professor of law at UCLA and an expert on free speech issues.

"Let's say somebody wants to testify that they saw some juvenile committing a crime, or some crime committed against a juvenile…the fact that they're going to testify about it doesn't keep them from telling their story to the media," he tells Reason. "Likewise, if there is some video evidence that's been released to the public and that's been admitted in evidence in some particular other adult court case, it doesn't become somehow secret and prohibited from being published simply because it might be used at some point in a juvenile court hearing."

The Green family originally filed a civil suit, thought that was eventually dismissed after they agreed to the settlement. Accountability, however, is still elusive. That sum will come completely out of taxpayers' pockets, and the officers will evade having to answer for themselves in a civil court proceeding. Perhaps most troubling is that they kept their jobs.

That includes Sergeant Ken Camallo, the officer who initiated the traffic stop and has conducted three warrantless searches since 2017. He testified that his disciplinary record was clean while under oath in a November 2020 motions hearing for the Green case.

When asked by Jackson if that was true, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kashan Pathan said that it was. But just three years prior, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Middle District of Louisiana, where Pathan works, had to drop a case against a man indicted on illegal weapons charges—because Camallo unlawfully searched his property. BRPD internal affairs documentation indicates that he executed another warrantless search in 2019, and again in 2020 with the Greens. A disciplinary review is ongoing.

"I'm not really surprised in the sense that if Baton Rouge thinks that it's okay to strip-search citizens in public, including children, and run into homes, guns drawn, without a warrant…the fact they'd go after a law professor for releasing the video isn't a huge shock," Frampton tells Reason. "At the same time, it's a little surprising they'd have the chutzpah to claim that they were interested in the juvenile's privacy as the rationale for why I'm facing jail time when the city and police department have made abundantly clear that they have no respect for the privacy and dignity of children, or the population at large."
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And Andrew Yang thinks NYC should be run like it was under Bloomberg, a major reason the NYPD is so shitty today.
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Postby Austreylia » Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:27 pm

Vassenor wrote:That doesn't explain why the police were there, just how people reacted to them being there.

Police are there to enforce the law.

If some people have such little self-control that they simply must start throwing bottles at officers, then they deserve to face the consequences.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:35 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:That doesn't explain why the police were there, just how people reacted to them being there.

Police are there to enforce the law.

this is not only nonsensical, it is outright false
the purpose of the police is not "to enforce the law"
they exist to maintain a system of state control-mostly against the impoverished and unfavoured
this is done through selective application of laws against those groups, mass surveillance, and the constant application of state terror
often, the actual law is violated in the process of doing so, with an "internal affairs" to cover-up for this fact by allowing a few egregious cases of abuse to be sacrificed to satisfy the populace
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:41 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:That doesn't explain why the police were there, just how people reacted to them being there.

Police are there to enforce the law.

If some people have such little self-control that they simply must start throwing bottles at officers, then they deserve to face the consequences.


When you show up in riot gear and begin shoving people out of the park, bottles tend to be thrown. Maybe the NYPD should piss off and learn how to act more like a police force and less like a paramilitary gang.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:40 pm

Austreylia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:That doesn't explain why the police were there, just how people reacted to them being there.

Police are there to enforce the law.

If some people have such little self-control that they simply must start throwing bottles at officers, then they deserve to face the consequences.


So what law was being enforced here? What laws were being broken to justify that police prescence?
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Postby South Welford » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:01 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Austreylia wrote:Police are there to enforce the law.

If some people have such little self-control that they simply must start throwing bottles at officers, then they deserve to face the consequences.


So what law was being enforced here? What laws were being broken to justify that police prescence?


Vigilantism is an obvious crime, mind you - just ask any avid DC fan to give you a few examples. Apparently, the city introduced that park’s closing time at 10 PM rather than midnight for weekends.

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Bear Stearns wrote:Defund the [federal] police


But not the state and local police who commit the same atrocities? What is it with you thinking the Feds are so particularly evil? A gang is a gang.
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Postby Austreylia » Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:03 am

Kowani wrote:they exist to maintain a system of state control-mostly against the impoverished and unfavoured

No, that's just a silly thing to say.

They exist to enforce the law.

Bear Stearns wrote:Defund the [federal] police

The NSG/twitter/reddit hive mind will only say this when the feds start dispersing violent rioters.

But they have a green light confiscate guns from people.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:08 am

Austreylia wrote:
Kowani wrote:they exist to maintain a system of state control-mostly against the impoverished and unfavoured

No, that's just a silly thing to say.

They exist to enforce the law.

I believe it's established precedent in the US that the police do not have a legal duty to enforce the law. And any given police department certainly does routinely decide not to enforce the law from time to time.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:57 am

Austreylia wrote:
Kowani wrote:they exist to maintain a system of state control-mostly against the impoverished and unfavoured

No, that's just a silly thing to say.

They exist to enforce the law.


Which is written in favor of the wealthy and powerful.
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Never was a fan of debt based license suspensions as it would put a person further into debt because the poor bastard couldn't drive to work, etc.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:07 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:

Never was a fan of debt based license suspensions as it would put a person further into debt because the poor bastard couldn't drive to work, etc.
And ketamine? Isn't that a sedative that is used on horses?

it's also used as an anesthetic for some emergency operations and as a painkiller under certain circumstances
but police in colorado use (or used, i guess) it as a sedative to arrest people
it doesn't always go well
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