US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Salus Maior]

Alongside the destruction of completely unrelated businesses, homes, looting, etc.

It was later estimated that between May 26 and August 22, 93% of individual protests were "peaceful and nondestructive"[36] and The Washington Post estimated that by the end of June, 96.3% of 7,305 demonstrations involved no injuries and no property damage.

I’m aware. We’re talking about Riots not protests in general.

Alongside the destruction of completely unrelated businesses, homes, looting, etc.

Yes, the cops also did that in addition to attacking bystanders.

Whataboutism isn’t helping you. We know the cops are in the wrong, aren’t the protesters supposed to be in the right?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Do you want me to support rioting and violence?

Yes. Rioting is most often defensive violence in response to police aggression. You should support people defending themselves from attack by agents of the state.

Tell me, how far did you actually have to reach to find that opinion before posting it here for everyone to laugh at?

[Ifreann]

Additionally, we must consider that economic crimes have economic causes. Centuries of oppression have left the Black community in America impoverished. Every effort to "play the game" has been thwarted. Why shouldn't people just take what they need to have a better life? Because that might inconvenience whose profits come from exploiting those people? Oh no, however will the movement for equality survive without corporate support?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Additionally, we must consider that economic crimes have economic causes. Centuries of oppression have left the Black community in America impoverished. Every effort to "play the game" has been thwarted. Why shouldn't people just take what they need to have a better life? Because that might inconvenience whose profits come from exploiting those people? Oh no, however will the movement for equality survive without corporate support?

Daily reminder that skin color isn't a magic hall pass to grants people the right to take other peoples shit that doesn't belong to them.

[Galloism]

Alongside the destruction of completely unrelated businesses, homes, looting, etc.

It was later estimated that between May 26 and August 22, 93% of individual protests were "peaceful and nondestructive"[36] and The Washington Post estimated that by the end of June, 96.3% of 7,305 demonstrations involved no injuries and no property damage.

“Only 7% of the time I went out did any violent beatings and arson occur. I don’t know why you’re making a big deal out of this.”

[Salus Maior]

Additionally, we must consider that economic crimes have economic causes. Centuries of oppression have left the Black community in America impoverished. Every effort to "play the game" has been thwarted. Why shouldn't people just take what they need to have a better life? Because that might inconvenience whose profits come from exploiting those people? Oh no, however will the movement for equality survive without corporate support?

If we’re just going to suspend rule of law and let people take what they want as a rule, then the minorities will suffer the most. Because, as indicated by their status of minorities, have less power than the privileged class. Why wouldn’t the privileged class just take with a vengeance from minorities in that case? Or do you expect the privileged class to just go ‘oh well’ when the lower class is robbing them?

In such a scenario, the powerful will not suffer. The weak would suffer because that’s just leaning into might makes right.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yes. Rioting is most often defensive violence in response to police aggression. You should support people defending themselves from attack by agents of the state.

Tell me, how far did you actually have to reach to find that opinion before posting it here for everyone to laugh at?

I mean you probably would know something about that Paddy O. You were the guy who once said you were fine letting the state abuse people's rights if the people in question said mean things about you and/or your ideology my guy, which isn't very libertarian of you.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Tell me, how far did you actually have to reach to find that opinion before posting it here for everyone to laugh at?

I mean you probably would know something about that Paddy O. You were the guy who once said you were fine letting the state abuse people's rights if the people in question said mean things about you and/or your ideology my guy, which isn't very libertarian of you.

Not just the state, but people as well. You want to yell at someone to their face and call them every name under the sun unprovoked? Cool. Just don't cry when they turn around and plant a fist upside your head in response when a reasonable tolerance level has been breached.

Also, when did I ever claim to be a Libertarian? Oh right, I didn't. But hey, don't let that stop you from trying to laughably use it as a smear as if it actually means anything. Who knows, you might someday get somewhere with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ifreann]

Yes. Rioting is most often defensive violence in response to police aggression. You should support people defending themselves from attack by agents of the state.

Tell me, how far did you actually have to reach to find that opinion before posting it here for everyone to laugh at?

Can't imagine why you think it's a stretch to support defensive violence in the face of state repression. Not that passive resistance is always a bad idea, but sometimes when the police are launching tear gas canisters at you, the best thing to do is throw them back, not sit there and cry and wait to be arrested.

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Additionally, we must consider that economic crimes have economic causes. Centuries of oppression have left the Black community in America impoverished. Every effort to "play the game" has been thwarted. Why shouldn't people just take what they need to have a better life? Because that might inconvenience whose profits come from exploiting those people? Oh no, however will the movement for equality survive without corporate support?

Daily reminder that skin color isn't a magic hall pass to grants people the right to take other peoples shit that doesn't belong to them.

It's not magic, just simple practicality. People need shit to have a decent life. Working for a living doesn't get it for them, so if they have the opportunity they'll just take it. You can cry about them not having the right all you want, won't change anything.

[Galloism]

It's not magic, just simple practicality. People need shit to have a decent life. Working for a living doesn't get it for them, so if they have the opportunity they'll just take it. You can cry about them not having the right all you want, won't change anything.

Well there's an idea that won't have any significant blowback whatsoever.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I mean you probably would know something about that Paddy O. You were the guy who once said you were fine letting the state abuse people's rights if the people in question said mean things about you and/or your ideology my guy, which isn't very libertarian of you.

Not just the state, but people as well. You want to yell at someone to their face and call them every name under the sun unprovoked? Cool. Just don't cry when they turn around and plant a fist upside your head in response when a reasonable tolerance level has been breached.

Also, when did I ever claim to be a Libertarian? Oh right, I didn't. But hey, don't let that stop you from trying to laughably use it as a smear as if it actually means anything. Who knows, you might someday get somewhere with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's sad that a few insults are all it takes you make you get physical. I'd like to see where it gets you. Somebody called you a bad word so you turn a blind eye to abuses against people's rights because your principles aren't very deep. And I'm sure when your rights are abused, suddenly you be demanding people help you after you sat back and did nothing for them, right? Miss me with that.

[The Black Forrest]

It's not magic, just simple practicality. People need shit to have a decent life. Working for a living doesn't get it for them, so if they have the opportunity they'll just take it. You can cry about them not having the right all you want, won't change anything.

Well there's an idea that won't have any significant blowback whatsoever.

If you think the system is geared against you?…….you probably don’t care…..

[Galloism]

Well there's an idea that won't have any significant blowback whatsoever.

If you think the system is geared against you?…….you probably don’t care…..

I mean, I think the system is geared against me. That doesn't necessarily mean I think going Somalia-mode is the right answer.

[Ifreann]

...You want to yell at someone to their face and call them every name under the sun unprovoked? Cool. Just don't cry when they turn around and plant a fist upside your head in response when a reasonable tolerance level has been breached...

That, but centuries of racism instead of being called names. Don't cry when people turn around a plant a fist upside the state's metaphorical head.

[The Black Forrest]

If you think the system is geared against you?…….you probably don’t care…..

I mean, I think the system is geared against me. That doesn't necessarily mean I think going Somalia-mode is the right answer.

Hmmmm? So how have you been oppressed? Have you had reason to fear the police over a traffic stop?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Not just the state, but people as well. You want to yell at someone to their face and call them every name under the sun unprovoked? Cool. Just don't cry when they turn around and plant a fist upside your head in response when a reasonable tolerance level has been breached.

Also, when did I ever claim to be a Libertarian? Oh right, I didn't. But hey, don't let that stop you from trying to laughably use it as a smear as if it actually means anything. Who knows, you might someday get somewhere with it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's sad that a few insults are all it takes you make you get physical. I'd like to see where it gets you. Somebody called you a bad word so you turn a blind eye to abuses against people's rights because your principles aren't very deep. And I'm sure when your rights are abused, suddenly you be demanding people help you after you sat back and did nothing for them, right? Miss me with that.

For me to get physical? Nah. I deal with idiots trying to insult me on a daily basis as part of my job. Nothing better then sitting back and smiling at them when they realize that words are failing to have any real effect on me as I get to watch them become more and more progressively like a spoiled child long overdue for a hard spanking and a firm No by an adult. Reminds me of NSG at times sadly enough.

As for others, just because you dislike something doesn't give you a right to get in someones face relentlessly and repeatedly. You want to play stupid games? Cool. Just don't act all surprised when you win a stupid prize as a result.

[Galloism]

I mean, I think the system is geared against me. That doesn't necessarily mean I think going Somalia-mode is the right answer.

Hmmmm? So how have you been oppressed? Have you had reason to fear the police over a traffic stop?

Yes.

As a man, I am approximately 30 times as likely to be killed as a woman on account of my gender compared with an average woman (and about 20 times as likely as a black woman). It generally involves tensing up, making sure my hands are always in clear view, announcing my intentions clearly and plainly if I'm going to reach for any object, and doing so slowly.

Was that a serious question?

[Salus Maior]

It's not magic, just simple practicality. People need shit to have a decent life. Working for a living doesn't get it for them, so if they have the opportunity they'll just take it. You can cry about them not having the right all you want, won't change anything.

So, you want people to steal from the upper class, people who we understand are amoral and willing to harshly oppress others for their own gain, and may even go as far as accepting murder to keep the status quo and their own power.

What happens if they decide to retaliate? Who’s going to be the worse off?

[Ifreann]

It's sad that a few insults are all it takes you make you get physical. I'd like to see where it gets you. Somebody called you a bad word so you turn a blind eye to abuses against people's rights because your principles aren't very deep. And I'm sure when your rights are abused, suddenly you be demanding people help you after you sat back and did nothing for them, right? Miss me with that.

For me to get physical? Nah. I deal with idiots trying to insult me on a daily basis as part of my job. Nothing better then sitting back and smiling at them when they realize that words are failing to have any real effect on me as I get to watch them become more and more progressively like a spoiled child long overdue for a hard spanking and a firm No by an adult. Reminds me of NSG at times sadly enough.

As for others, just because you dislike something doesn't give you a right to get in someones face relentlessly and repeatedly. You want to play stupid games? Cool. Just don't act all surprised when you win a stupid prize as a result.

Don't act surprised when oppressed and impoverished people don't care that they supposedly lack the right to just burn out a cop car or loot milk.

[Salus Maior]

Don't act surprised when oppressed and impoverished people don't care that they supposedly lack the right to just burn out a cop car or loot milk.

Likewise, don’t be surprised when, in response, the privileged militarize the police further and elect reactionary, or even fascist, politicians.

[Grinning Dragon]

It's sad that a few insults are all it takes you make you get physical. I'd like to see where it gets you. Somebody called you a bad word so you turn a blind eye to abuses against people's rights because your principles aren't very deep. And I'm sure when your rights are abused, suddenly you be demanding people help you after you sat back and did nothing for them, right? Miss me with that.

For me to get physical? Nah. I deal with idiots trying to insult me on a daily basis as part of my job. Nothing better then sitting back and smiling at them when they realize that words are failing to have any real effect on me as I get to watch them become more and more progressively like a spoiled child long overdue for a hard spanking and a firm No by an adult. Reminds me of NSG at times sadly enough.

As for others, just because you dislike something doesn't give you a right to get in someones face relentlessly and repeatedly. You want to play stupid games? Cool. Just don't act all surprised when you win a stupid prize as a result.

As of late this seems to be the new status quo. The couple of times when I'm out at a restaurant some dispshit(s) will come up to me and let me know that my shirt(when I wear my pro gun stuff) offends them along with directed obscenities. What really sets them off is when I look at them with that I don't give a fuck look and reply "OK" then go back to eating, they will literally stand there for the next few minutes demanding that I acknowledge their grievance, when I just did by saying. OK.

[Ifreann]

It's not magic, just simple practicality. People need shit to have a decent life. Working for a living doesn't get it for them, so if they have the opportunity they'll just take it. You can cry about them not having the right all you want, won't change anything.

So, you want people to steal from the upper class, people who we understand are amoral and willing to harshly oppress others for their own gain, and may even go as far as accepting murder to keep the status quo and their own power.

What happens if they decide to retaliate? Who’s going to be the worse off?

I don't know, and I wouldn't fault anyone who prefers to keep their head down and try to avoid trouble than to find out. Playing along with the system, if one can manage it, is an effective survival strategy. But nor do I fault people who take a risk and nab some nice shit from Walmart or whatever when there's a riot. That this is illegal or in violation of the rights of Walmart doesn't really bother me.

[Paddy O Fernature]

For me to get physical? Nah. I deal with idiots trying to insult me on a daily basis as part of my job. Nothing better then sitting back and smiling at them when they realize that words are failing to have any real effect on me as I get to watch them become more and more progressively like a spoiled child long overdue for a hard spanking and a firm No by an adult. Reminds me of NSG at times sadly enough.

As for others, just because you dislike something doesn't give you a right to get in someones face relentlessly and repeatedly. You want to play stupid games? Cool. Just don't act all surprised when you win a stupid prize as a result.

As of late this seems to be the new status quo. The couple of times when I'm out at a restaurant some dispshit(s) will come up to me and let me know that my shirt(when I wear my pro gun stuff) offends them along with directed obscenities. What really sets them off is when I look at them with that I don't give a fuck look and reply "OK" then go back to eating, they will literally stand there for the next few minutes demanding that I acknowledge their grievance, when I just did by saying. OK.

Indeed.

Last time this happened to me, I had a college aged couple walk up to me and my friend and ask what my hat meant by #PewPewLife hat. After a very brief discussion hoping to have run into other Noir fans, we were then berated for allegedly promoting violence and oppression of minorities through white supremacy. I literally just stood there in mute silence for a moment at the levels of ignorance on display before turning and walking away.

Upon discussion later, my friend and I decided that the only reason why they didn't give chance and try to continue was because there skinny jeans wouldn't let them.

[Ifreann]

Don't act surprised when oppressed and impoverished people don't care that they supposedly lack the right to just burn out a cop car or loot milk.

Likewise, don’t be surprised when, in response, the privileged militarize the police further and elect reactionary, or even fascist, politicians.

It would be difficult for me to be surprised by things that have been happening for several decades, including the entire span of my life.

[Ifreann]

As of late this seems to be the new status quo. The couple of times when I'm out at a restaurant some dispshit(s) will come up to me and let me know that my shirt(when I wear my pro gun stuff) offends them along with directed obscenities. What really sets them off is when I look at them with that I don't give a fuck look and reply "OK" then go back to eating, they will literally stand there for the next few minutes demanding that I acknowledge their grievance, when I just did by saying. OK.

Indeed.

Last time this happened to me, I had a college aged couple walk up to me and my friend and ask what my hat meant by #PewPewLife hat. After a very brief discussion hoping to have run into other Noir fans, we were then berated for allegedly promoting violence and oppression of minorities through white supremacy. I literally just stood there in mute silence for a moment at the levels of ignorance on display before turning and walking away.

Upon discussion later, my friend and I decided that the only reason why they didn't give chance and try to continue was because there skinny jeans wouldn't let them.

That happened.