US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Washington Resistance Army]

No system is perfect when it first starts. With any luck the AnComs will get pushed out and someone with solid organizational ideas will take over instead.

I imagine street violence'll be needed for force the AnComs and criminal elements out.

Violence is needed to get anything done tbh, that's just civilization for you.

[Fahran]

Nope they are just being petty and spiteful. Stop acting like toddlers and do your job and if they wont do their jobs in all areas of the city resign from the force.

I imagine this order is coming from the top and is in part inspired by the municipal government's decision to allow folks to set up an autonomous zone. I doubt it's simply spite given the officers were policing many of these areas up until it became untenable, even when sentiments were against them.

[Fahran]

Violence is needed to get anything done tbh, that's just civilization for you.

There are some who believe that violence isn't necessary to prevent criminality and predation. I don't mind giving them a couple case studies to prove their ideas, especially if there's local community and government support for it - as in Seattle and Minneapolis. They might well be correct after all.

[The Lone Alliance]

No, they're attempting to avoid an area which is difficult to access to do it being an autonomous zone filled with anti-police demonstrators and where their presence would almost certainly ignite violence and endanger both officers and citizens.

Nope they are just being petty and spiteful. Stop acting like toddlers and do your job and if they wont do their jobs in all areas of the city resign from the force.

It's not them being petty and spiteful it's actually them respecting the people of the area, the people of the autonomous zones have decided they do not want police officers.

In this case it's like a US soldier deciding to walk through the part of Afghanistan that the Taliban has claimed, nothing good will come from that.

At this point these "Autonomous Zones" are more or less the left wing version of a right wing militia base in the woods, a place that local police officers are also not going to walk into unless they have permission because they don't want to be shot by a Neo Nazi.

Just like they're not going to enter these zones because they don't want to get shot by a Neo-Commie.

[Postauthoritarian America]

That's a good start.

Seattle can be our case study on pure community policing. Maybe reduce the police force to a hundred officers to handle situations where force is absolutely necessary and use the remainder of their old budget to pay for other social services.

Works for me.

[North Washington Republic]

Nope they are just being petty and spiteful. Stop acting like toddlers and do your job and if they wont do their jobs in all areas of the city resign from the force.

I imagine this order is coming from the top and is in part inspired by the municipal government's decision to allow folks to set up an autonomous zone. I doubt it's simply spite given the officers were policing many of these areas up until it became untenable, even when sentiments were against them.

San Lumen doesn’t know what they is talking about. It’s less than a 10 minute drive for me to wear this is talking place.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Violence is needed to get anything done tbh, that's just civilization for you.

There are some who believe that violence isn't necessary to prevent criminality and predation. I don't mind giving them a couple case studies to prove their ideas, especially if there's local community and government support for it - as in Seattle and Minneapolis.

I would actually agree that most criminality and predation actually can be prevented without violence but something I think a lot of people on the left seem unwilling to accept is just the pure evil factor. There's not many people out there who fit that label, but there are 100% people who will hurt others solely because they want to cause pain. Those people necessitate an organized system to respond to and deal with, community policing can't solve everything.

[The Lone Alliance]

I imagine this order is coming from the top and is in part inspired by the municipal government's decision to allow folks to set up an autonomous zone. I doubt it's simply spite given the officers were policing many of these areas up until it became untenable, even when sentiments were against them.

San Lumen doesn’t know what they is talking about. It’s less than a 10 minute drive for me to wear this is talking place.

Again it's just the horseshoe of the "Neo Nazi innawoods camp" it's the same mindset a bunch of people high off their ideology saying "FUCK DA MAN WE OUR OWN PEOPLE" even while they keep paying taxes while playing soldier.

[North Washington Republic]

Nope they are just being petty and spiteful. Stop acting like toddlers and do your job and if they wont do their jobs in all areas of the city resign from the force.

It's not them being petty and spiteful it's actually them respecting the people of the area, the people of the autonomous zones have decided they do not want police officers.

In this case it's like a US soldier deciding to walk through the part of Afghanistan that the Taliban has claimed, nothing good will come from that.

At this point these "Autonomous Zones" are more or less the left wing version of a right wing militia base in the woods, a place that local police officers are also not going to walk into unless they have permission because they don't want to be shot by a Neo Nazi.

Just like they're not going to enter these zones because they don't want to get shot by a Neo-Commie.

This is NOT true. The people that want a policeless community are in the minority and most of those that hold that view DON’T live in the community. They’re white ancom punks that live in the suburbs.

[Postauthoritarian America]

ancom

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Galloism]

Violence is needed to get anything done tbh, that's just civilization for you.

There are some who believe that violence isn't necessary to prevent criminality and predation. I don't mind giving them a couple case studies to prove their ideas, especially if there's local community and government support for it - as in Seattle and Minneapolis. They might well be correct after all.

There are innocent people who live there you know.

[The Lone Alliance]

This is NOT true. The people that want a policeless community are in the minority and most of those that hold that view DON’T live in the community. They’re white ancom punks that live in the suburbs.

And that minority is armed and have effectively taken the area hostage, and trying to end that hostage stand off will likely not end well.

Again it's the same as the Neo Nazi skinheads living in rural Nowhere US, no one actually likes them, but they have too many guns and even if they're up to illegal stuff, getting the police to stop them doing illegal stuff will just result in a shoot out. So the local police treat those areas as "no go zones".

[North Washington Republic]

ancom

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I keep using it because I live near the area, and I can see with my own eyes the type of people doing this. I can also say that some are indeed covert white supremacists, but most of them went back to the holes that crawled out of when Chauvin was convinced . I noticed Ancoms act like religious people when you criticize they’re particular religion. It’s the old “YoU dOn’T UnDeRsTanD” trope.

[North Washington Republic]

This is NOT true. The people that want a policeless community are in the minority and most of those that hold that view DON’T live in the community. They’re white ancom punks that live in the suburbs.

And that minority is armed and have effectively taken the area hostage, and trying to end that hostage stand off will likely not end well.

Again it's the same as the Neo Nazi skinheads living in rural Nowhere US, no one actually likes them, but they have too many guns and even if they're up to illegal stuff, getting the police to stop them doing illegal stuff will just result in a shoot out. So the local police treat those areas as "no go zones".

No, they’re are not well armed. They use the threat of riots(“unrest”) as means to keep law enforcement out of the area.

[Fahran]

I would actually agree that most criminality and predation actually can be prevented without violence but something I think a lot of people on the left seem unwilling to accept is just the pure evil factor. There's not many people out there who fit that label, but there are 100% people who will hurt others solely because they want to cause pain. Those people necessitate an organized system to respond to and deal with, community policing can't solve everything.

I don't think you have to possess an evil nature to engage in predation and violence. We tend pretty easily forget that we're living in one of the most peaceful times in history, where large states have consolidated unassailable monopolies on the use of force over extensive areas and where we have hegemonic ethical codes developed beyond "G-d says not to do this."

[Fahran]

No, they’re are not well armed. They use the threat of riots(“unrest”) as means to keep law enforcement out of the area.

Short of a crackdown, staying out of the area might be the best thing for the community then.

[Fahran]

There are innocent people who live there you know.

I know. It's why I'm not personally keen to indulge in these sorts of social experiments. It risks putting a lot of people in harm's way. But I also don't think I can impose my opinion as someone halfway across the country on a community that seems not to want a police presence at the moment, especially not when local authorities have no willingness to force the matter to a head. That would be oppressive and interloping as well.

[North Washington Republic]

No, they’re are not well armed. They use the threat of riots(“unrest”) as means to keep law enforcement out of the area.

Short of a crackdown, staying out of the area might be the best thing for the community then.

The thing is, people live and work there. The people that live there and work there want a police presence, along with reforms. It’s the ancoms that have this false dichotomy of either fascist like law enforcement or a completely police-less community.

[Galloism]

There are innocent people who live there you know.

I know. It's why I'm not personally keen to indulge in these sorts of social experiments. It risks putting a lot of people in harm's way. But I also don't think I can impose my opinion as someone halfway across the country on a community that seems not to want a police presence at the moment, especially not when local authorities have no willingness to force the matter to a head. That would be oppressive.

Tbh, I did the silence thing for a long time. Told my opinion doesn’t matter because of my identity.

I’ve decided that’s horseshit. I can express an opinion about them leaving domestic violence victims twisting in the wind anywhere I want anytime I want.

[North Washington Republic]

I know. It's why I'm not personally keen to indulge in these sorts of social experiments. It risks putting a lot of people in harm's way. But I also don't think I can impose my opinion as someone halfway across the country on a community that seems not to want a police presence at the moment, especially not when local authorities have no willingness to force the matter to a head. That would be oppressive.

Tbh, I did the silence thing for a long time. Told my opinion doesn’t matter because of my identity.

I’ve decided that’s horseshit. I can express an opinion about them leaving domestic violence victims twisting in the wind anywhere I want anytime I want.

The people that live and work in and near the area also have valid opinions, but the ACAB crowd that live nowhere near there believe their opinion supersedes everyone else’s opinion

[Fahran]

The thing is, people live and work there. The people that live there and work there want a police presence, along with reforms. It’s the ancoms that have this false dichotomy of either fascist like law enforcement or a completely police-less community.

Addressing those "ancoms" would likely require a crackdown if they've thrown up walls/barriers and insist on rioting and causing a ruckus any time the police go into the area. Perhaps the police should do that to benefit the locals, but they're between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the municipal government, media coverage, and, potentially, the locals themselves. Because we can have no assurances without scientific polling that the locals on the whole want a police presence. We're taking a few people's word on that.

[North Washington Republic]

The thing is, people live and work there. The people that live there and work there want a police presence, along with reforms. It’s the ancoms that have this false dichotomy of either fascist like law enforcement or a completely police-less community.

Addressing those "ancoms" would likely require a crackdown if they've thrown up walls/barriers and insist on rioting and causing a ruckus any time the police go into the area. Perhaps the police should do that to benefit the locals, but they're between a rock and a hard place when it comes to the municipal government, media coverage, and, potentially, the locals themselves. Because we can have no assurances without scientific polling that the locals on the whole want a police presence. We're taking a few people's word on that.

Local and state governments are working with the more rational community members maintaining the area about reopening. But what I’m upset is that violent crime is rampant and radical ancoms don’t give two shits about black lives unless they’re killed by the police.

[Kowani]

Even When Residents Call For Their Help, Minneapolis Police Won’t Go Near 38th & Chicago

This is what a police less community looks like.

From the article

Scanner audio from Thursday morning tells the story of a domestic assault victim, calling 911 for help from her home near 38th Street and Elliot Avenue.

“Is it possible to have her move at least a block away maybe 38th and 10th. Copy she is bleeding and cut everywhere but we’ll call her back and ask her to move a block away,” the audio scanner says

.

Why should the wants and wishes of white ancoms from the suburbs override local POC residents?

there is...so much wrong with this post
firstly, this isn't what a police-less community looks like
you know what id does look like? a suburb
because those areas have been funded properly and given the resources and investment to not need police
when people say "abolish the police" or "defund the police", those statements should be taken in conjunction with a greater political desire to live in safe, whole communities that are not being terrorized by the punishment bureaucracy

That's a good start.

Seattle can be our case study on pure community policing. Maybe reduce the police force to a hundred officers to handle situations where force is absolutely necessary and use the remainder of their old budget to pay for other social services.

"CoMmUnITy pOliCinG"
i'm sorry 'ran i like you but "community policing" isn't actually a proper response to the problems of law enforcement
it's just the same old thing with a PR spin

That is completely atrocious and the officer on that call should be fired. Its almost as if police want a disconnect between the department and community and don't want people to respect them.

By you saying this, I can tell you don’t live or know the current situation in Minneapolis. The area near George Floyd was killed as turned into an “autonomous zone”. The police are unable to go there because ancoms have but concrete barriers up and chase law enforcement away from the area.

See, I live less than 2.5 and a half miles away where George Floyd was murdered, and while I don’t live in the so-called “autonomous zone”, the crime has spilled over in surrounding neighborhoods.

it's almost like it's a systemic problem or something that goes beyond the actions of so-called "amcoms" which might be worth considering

Tbh, I did the silence thing for a long time. Told my opinion doesn’t matter because of my identity.

I’ve decided that’s horseshit. I can express an opinion about them leaving domestic violence victims twisting in the wind anywhere I want anytime I want.

The people that live and work in and near the area also have valid opinions, but the ACAB crowd that live nowhere near there believe their opinion supersedes everyone else’s opinion

for someone who talks about opinions, you have yet to provide any evidence that this is what most people in the area want...

[Galloism]

Even When Residents Call For Their Help, Minneapolis Police Won’t Go Near 38th & Chicago

This is what a police less community looks like.

From the article

Scanner audio from Thursday morning tells the story of a domestic assault victim, calling 911 for help from her home near 38th Street and Elliot Avenue.

“Is it possible to have her move at least a block away maybe 38th and 10th. Copy she is bleeding and cut everywhere but we’ll call her back and ask her to move a block away,” the audio scanner says

.

Why should the wants and wishes of white ancoms from the suburbs override local POC residents?

there is...so much wrong with this post
firstly, this isn't what a police-less community looks like
you know what id does look like? a suburb
because those areas have been funded properly and given the resources and investment to not need police
when people say "abolish the police" or "defund the police", those statements should be taken in conjunction with a greater political desire to live in safe, whole communities that are not being terrorized by the punishment bureaucracy

Um, suburbs aren’t policeless.

Hell, the police usually live there.

[Kowani]

there is...so much wrong with this post
firstly, this isn't what a police-less community looks like
you know what id does look like? a suburb
because those areas have been funded properly and given the resources and investment to not need police
when people say "abolish the police" or "defund the police", those statements should be taken in conjunction with a greater political desire to live in safe, whole communities that are not being terrorized by the punishment bureaucracy

Um, suburbs aren’t policeless.

Hell, the police usually live there.

indeed
but it is not where they focus the majority of their time and energy-and the relationship between the two is fundamentally different
this is not much of a surprise
there may be a police presence in the suburbs, but it is as an outgrowth of the larger war that the police have been conducting on urban communities for the past half century
as such, the relationship's antagonism-if it exists at all-is merely a spillover, rather than one that was deliberately inculcated over time
in fact, that the police live in those suburbs is evidence of the larger problem of the conceptualization of disparities in how policing works and who it is meant to keep down-and keep safe