US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Borderlands of Rojava]

The FBI and CIA work for the government which works for corporate America. They stand for neoliberalism, not Nazism.

I know, the FBI never prosecute white collar crime.

White collar criminals do not get in trouble nearly as much as lower class crimes, and when they do they get country club prison.

[The Rich Port]

I know, the FBI never prosecute white collar crime.

It's incredibly rare that they do, yes, and the punishments are often very light.

God forbid the wealthy ever face punishment for their crimes amirite.

[North Washington Republic]

It's incredibly rare that they do, yes, and the punishments are often very light.

God forbid the wealthy ever face punishment for their crimes amirite.

Elect politicians that will hold white collar criminals accountable. One reason they get away with the crimes they commit is because they have lawyers like Saul Goodman.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

God forbid the wealthy ever face punishment for their crimes amirite.

Elect politicians that will hold white collar criminals accountable. One reason they get away with the crimes they commit is because they have lawyers like Saul Goodman.

I liked that show.

[Gravlen]

A police chief in Cumberland County who promoted his own daughter and offered to promote an officer in exchange for sleeping with the man’s wife and [pre-teen] daughter should be demoted to deputy chief, a hearing officer has ruled.

“Beu readily rises to the level of failure to perform duties, insubordination, conduct unbecoming a public employee, neglect of duty, and other sufficient cause, all as contemplated by (state law),” Batten wrote.

So after that, they determine that the right cause of action was to suspend him with pay, and then demote him. Not fire him, because why would you ever want to fire a cop when they haven't actively murdered someone?

[Chan Island]

https://www.wbez.org/stories/armed-man- ... EsAkx1q1c4

It's remarkable how fast police body cam footage of the cops shooting people with guns goes public versus the absolute weeks long drag it takes when they shoot someone without. Almost like they actually know when they shoot someone unjustifiably and are deliberately muddying the waters when they make excuses.

Not that this is particularly honest or uncontroversial either. Sure, Anthony Alvarez had a gun but he was shot in the back, potentially while running away. And the cops have in the past proven more than capable of detaining white gunmen without shooting them or getting shot in turn, so that argument increasingly seems suspicious. And posting a video where more people would be inclined to think the shooting was justified strikes me as a PR move to try to shift the overton window towards "see, we shoot bad guys, totally let us keep all those unreasonable powers we constantly abuse".

[The Lone Alliance]

The gun does not have "100% odds of working."

Unless on the rare off chance that the gun jams or misfires, yeah it is. A far better chance of working doing absolutely nothing which is the only other option you could do in this situation.

The police officer could miss,

At 7 feet with Bryant being in the middle, doubtful, and clearly this cop was sure enough of his abilities to make the shot, and even if he missed, if the bullet flys past Bryant and hits the car, that's highly likely going to snap her out of her hate rage, and if it doesn't the other 3 bullets certainly will do it. Cause it's highly doubtful that all four bullets were going to miss.

or even hit the girl in the pink.

Bryant was mostly in the way of the bullets, that kind of makes it hard for that to happen, that and pink wasn't moving, if Pink had moved the cop wouldn't have had to make the shot in the first place, therefore the situation wouldn't have even come up. If Pink had ran or tried to climb over the car, or at least done SOMETHING to attempt to get away from Bryant, it's highly likely she would have never been shot in the first place because then she wouldn't have to be shot.

The officer had the perfect situation for shooting Bryant and only Bryant, Pink was still, the car Pink was leaning against provided a place for any missed shots to go into, and there were no bystanders directly behind the car that the bullet could have hit.

I do not want it to,

You keep listing all the things that might have gone on not realizing that all of them are not much better than the fate that inaction would be which is letting Bryant stab Pink. "

and it's obscene that you accuse me of wanting it to, but it is a possibility. And it's ridiculous to pretend that it is not.

Yes it is ridiculous, you have to keep creating increasingly ridiculous situations to attempt to suggest doing nothing was the right call, because in my mind there were only two options that were possible.

1. Shoot Bryant
2. Let her stab.

You have yet to give a single valid alternative that the officer could have done to have stopped Bryant from her attempted murder. So as far as I can see, if you're complaining about the shooting and keep trying to bring up things that didn't happen as reasons why it was somehow wrong, that ultimately means you want to let Bryant stab her because I only see the above two options.

Again and again you try to bring up potential faults but tell me, if that officer had done nothing and just stood there and let Bryant stab her, tell me how that is not an act of racism?

Tell me how that doesn't dehumanize Black people that you would not use whatever means necessary to save a Black Life?

[Vassenor]

A police chief in Cumberland County who promoted his own daughter and offered to promote an officer in exchange for sleeping with the man’s wife and [pre-teen] daughter should be demoted to deputy chief, a hearing officer has ruled.

“Beu readily rises to the level of failure to perform duties, insubordination, conduct unbecoming a public employee, neglect of duty, and other sufficient cause, all as contemplated by (state law),” Batten wrote.

So after that, they determine that the right cause of action was to suspend him with pay, and then demote him. Not fire him, because why would you ever want to fire a cop when they haven't actively murdered someone?

Dude openly states he wants to rape kids and they let him keep his badge. How the fuck do you reform this?

[Austreylia]

Elect politicians that will hold white collar criminals accountable.

No politician in the world would do that.

[Kowani]

https://www.wbez.org/stories/armed-man-was-running-away-when-chicago-police-fatally-shot-him-in-portage-park/7261b46e-568d-4f20-87a7-698191a594f7?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_term=nprnews&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&fbclid=IwAR2tgjZ2N0x9W8PDp0l3gEN8UymzZrZLqikSIFrngUAt9YVFJEsAkx1q1c4

It's remarkable how fast police body cam footage of the cops shooting people with guns goes public versus the absolute weeks long drag it takes when they shoot someone without. Almost like they actually know when they shoot someone unjustifiably and are deliberately muddying the waters when they make excuses.

Not that this is particularly honest or uncontroversial either. Sure, Anthony Alvarez had a gun but he was shot in the back, potentially while running away. And the cops have in the past proven more than capable of detaining white gunmen without shooting them or getting shot in turn, so that argument increasingly seems suspicious. And posting a video where more people would be inclined to think the shooting was justified strikes me as a PR move to try to shift the overton window towards "see, we shoot bad guys, totally let us keep all those unreasonable powers we constantly abuse".

Considering they went and destroyed his family's memorial for him
i'd say any attempt to shift the overton window is kind of doomed

[Galloism]

A police chief in Cumberland County who promoted his own daughter and offered to promote an officer in exchange for sleeping with the man’s wife and [pre-teen] daughter should be demoted to deputy chief, a hearing officer has ruled.

“Beu readily rises to the level of failure to perform duties, insubordination, conduct unbecoming a public employee, neglect of duty, and other sufficient cause, all as contemplated by (state law),” Batten wrote.

So after that, they determine that the right cause of action was to suspend him with pay, and then demote him. Not fire him, because why would you ever want to fire a cop when they haven't actively murdered someone?

Dude openly states he wants to rape kids and they let him keep his badge. How the fuck do you reform this?

I'm looking for the text of the ruling, but based on the dodgy way several articles describe what the ruling was based on, I'm guessing that particular accusation was insufficiently substantiated to the hearing judge to be sustained.

Looks like the ruling was mostly about promoting his daughter, failing to refuse himself from an internal discipline matter involving the father of his grandchild, and failing to turn over documents to IA.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

A police chief in Cumberland County who promoted his own daughter and offered to promote an officer in exchange for sleeping with the man’s wife and [pre-teen] daughter should be demoted to deputy chief, a hearing officer has ruled.

“Beu readily rises to the level of failure to perform duties, insubordination, conduct unbecoming a public employee, neglect of duty, and other sufficient cause, all as contemplated by (state law),” Batten wrote.

So after that, they determine that the right cause of action was to suspend him with pay, and then demote him. Not fire him, because why would you ever want to fire a cop when they haven't actively murdered someone?

Dude openly states he wants to rape kids and they let him keep his badge. How the fuck do you reform this?

Same shit as when the local police chief in my area said he wanted to kill protesters and they gave him desk duty for 30 days and that was all. There's a man patrolling the streets of my city who supports mass murder.

[Vassenor]

So one of the NYPD unions is whinging about having to actually respect the constitutional rights of people being arrested after the city ended Qualified Immunity.

[Ifreann]

So one of the NYPD unions is whinging about having to actually respect the constitutional rights of people being arrested after the city ended Qualified Immunity.

Cops advised by their crack team of legal experts to only pick fights or search people if it's definitely for sure legal to do so.

[Neutraligon]

So one of the NYPD unions is whinging about having to actually respect the constitutional rights of people being arrested after the city ended Qualified Immunity.

Cops advised by their crack team of legal experts to only pick fights or search people if it's definitely for sure legal to do so.

Oh no, cops have to make sure they stay within the bounds of the law when their job is to enforce the law. So sad

[Ifreann]

Cops advised by their crack team of legal experts to only pick fights or search people if it's definitely for sure legal to do so.

Oh no, cops have to make sure they stay within the bounds of the law when their job is to enforce the law. So sad

Thoughts and prayers.

[San Lumen]

So one of the NYPD unions is whinging about having to actually respect the constitutional rights of people being arrested after the city ended Qualified Immunity.

Police departments have a lot of nerve to wonder why there is such a disconnect between them and the community and they don't get respect when they pull things like this.

[Gravlen]

So one of the NYPD unions is whinging about having to actually respect the constitutional rights of people being arrested after the city ended Qualified Immunity.

That letter... How embarrasing

[Galloism]

So one of the NYPD unions is whinging about having to actually respect the constitutional rights of people being arrested after the city ended Qualified Immunity.

That second to the last paragraph is...

Well. You must be certain it's within the law before you do it?

[Fahran]

don't mind me, just remembering the time the FBI claimed to be "almost powerless" against the KKK despite making up 1/5 of its membership (and a full 70% of its growth)

they don't have to be right-wingers (in outlook, not vague philosophizing) to fall prey to the same cognitive blindspots many Americans do about right-wing extremists

When they say FBI officials made up 1/5 of the membership, do they mean this as part of a long-term effort to infiltrate and engage in surveillance of the Klan? Because that's what your source seemed to suggest. From what I gathered, the problem was more that local law enforcement often didn't elect to act against the Klan when information was passed to them by the FBI. As such, one would imagine that the FBI taking direct action instead would have been the best approach.

As for having more "ghetto" informants on the whole, I'm not certain racializing non-racial crime in that way is wholly instructive. It's certainly possible, probable even, that law enforcement officials and the legal system were racializing crime. They did it with marijuana and crack, even as the opioid crisis was happening after all. But we'd need to know a bit more to obtain absolute confirmation. Were these informants reporting on murders or large organized criminal operations? Or were they focused on low-level gang activity and non-white hate groups?

I covered ghost skins a bit in the past and explored the threat they pose to serious efforts to engage in surveillance and disruption of the Klan and other white supremacist organizations. That said, the threat to the Feds or even local law enforcement, to my knowledge, hasn't really been widespread infiltration by white supremacists. It's been a chronic inability to disrupt them properly since a single white supremacist in the department can leak details on operations to seven or eight white supremacist organizations due to these being broadly incestuous.

I do find it somewhat hilarious that the Klan may have been temporarily paralyzed by paranoia and fear because a fifth of their membership were informants though.

[Kowani]

don't mind me, just remembering the time the FBI claimed to be "almost powerless" against the KKK despite making up 1/5 of its membership (and a full 70% of its growth)

they don't have to be right-wingers (in outlook, not vague philosophizing) to fall prey to the same cognitive blindspots many Americans do about right-wing extremists

When they say FBI officials made up 1/5 of the membership, do they mean this as part of a long-term effort to infiltrate and engage in surveillance of the Klan? Because that's what your source seemed to suggest. From what I gathered, the problem was more that local law enforcement often didn't elect to act against the Klan when information was passed to them by the FBI. As such, one would imagine that the FBI taking direct action instead would have been the best approach.

It would have been, yes. Why this didn't happen is extremely predictable entirely unknown
to quote for a second:

It was then brought up with Adams that there was “considerable evidence” that “no attempt was made to prevent crime when [the FBI] had information that it was going to occur.”
Adams defended the Bureau by saying that they had passed the information on to the local police department. In response, it was pointed out that the FBI knew the department “was an accomplice to the crime.” Adams, having previously admitted that this was the case, simply responded they did “not necessarily knew [sic]” despite having been told this by their informants. As a result, the questioner noted, they “weren’t doing a whole lot to prevent that incident by telling the people who were already a part of it.”

As for having more "ghetto" informants on the whole, I'm not certain racializing non-racial crime in that way is wholly instructive. It's certainly possible, probable even, that law enforcement officials and the legal system were racializing crime. They did it with marijuana and crack, even as the opioid crisis was happening after all. But we'd need to know a bit more to obtain absolute confirmation. Were these informants reporting on murders or large organized criminal operations? Or were they focused on low-level gang activity and non-white hate groups?

it is slightly unclear
so, using the full 124 page report, the information you want is on page 45

I just have one quick question.' Is it correct that in 19?1 we were using around 6500 informers for a black ghetto
situation?

I'm not sure if that's the year. we did have a year where we had a number like that of around 6000 and that was the time when the cities were being burned. Detroit, Washington, areas like this, we were given a mandate to know what the situation is, where is violence going to break out next. They weren't informants like an individual that is penetrating an organization. They were listening posts in the community that would help tell us that we have another group here that is getting ready to start another fire fight or something.

so they fulfill one of your criteria-addressing murders (in theory, i'm not exactly taking this guy at his word)-but there seems to have been a generalized surveillance of the black communities at the time

I covered ghost skins a bit in the past and explored the threat they pose to serious efforts to engage in surveillance and disruption of the Klan and other white supremacist organizations. That said, the threat to the Feds or even local law enforcement, to my knowledge, hasn't really been widespread infiltration by white supremacists. It's been a chronic inability to disrupt them properly since a single white supremacist in the department can leak details on operations to seven or eight white supremacist organizations due to these being broadly incestuous.

I do find it somewhat hilarious that the Klan may have been temporarily paralyzed by paranoia and fear because a fifth of their membership were informants though.

well, yeah
the claim is not "the FBI has been infiltrated by white supremacists"
law enforcement is more complex, i think

[Bear Stearns]

When they say FBI officials made up 1/5 of the membership, do they mean this as part of a long-term effort to infiltrate and engage in surveillance of the Klan? Because that's what your source seemed to suggest. From what I gathered, the problem was more that local law enforcement often didn't elect to act against the Klan when information was passed to them by the FBI. As such, one would imagine that the FBI taking direct action instead would have been the best approach.

It would have been, yes. Why this didn't happen is extremely predictable entirely unknown
to quote for a second:

It was then brought up with Adams that there was “considerable evidence” that “no attempt was made to prevent crime when [the FBI] had information that it was going to occur.”
Adams defended the Bureau by saying that they had passed the information on to the local police department. In response, it was pointed out that the FBI knew the department “was an accomplice to the crime.” Adams, having previously admitted that this was the case, simply responded they did “not necessarily knew [sic]” despite having been told this by their informants. As a result, the questioner noted, they “weren’t doing a whole lot to prevent that incident by telling the people who were already a part of it.”

As for having more "ghetto" informants on the whole, I'm not certain racializing non-racial crime in that way is wholly instructive. It's certainly possible, probable even, that law enforcement officials and the legal system were racializing crime. They did it with marijuana and crack, even as the opioid crisis was happening after all. But we'd need to know a bit more to obtain absolute confirmation. Were these informants reporting on murders or large organized criminal operations? Or were they focused on low-level gang activity and non-white hate groups?

it is slightly unclear
so, using the full 124 page report, the information you want is on page 45

I just have one quick question.' Is it correct that in 19?1 we were using around 6500 informers for a black ghetto
situation?

I'm not sure if that's the year. we did have a year where we had a number like that of around 6000 and that was the time when the cities were being burned. Detroit, Washington, areas like this, we were given a mandate to know what the situation is, where is violence going to break out next. They weren't informants like an individual that is penetrating an organization. They were listening posts in the community that would help tell us that we have another group here that is getting ready to start another fire fight or something.

so they fulfill one of your criteria-addressing murders (in theory, i'm not exactly taking this guy at his word)-but there seems to have been a generalized surveillance of the black communities at the time

I covered ghost skins a bit in the past and explored the threat they pose to serious efforts to engage in surveillance and disruption of the Klan and other white supremacist organizations. That said, the threat to the Feds or even local law enforcement, to my knowledge, hasn't really been widespread infiltration by white supremacists. It's been a chronic inability to disrupt them properly since a single white supremacist in the department can leak details on operations to seven or eight white supremacist organizations due to these being broadly incestuous.

I do find it somewhat hilarious that the Klan may have been temporarily paralyzed by paranoia and fear because a fifth of their membership were informants though.

well, yeah
the claim is not "the FBI has been infiltrated by white supremacists"
law enforcement is more complex, i think

the FBI is filled with supremacists all right but they aren't "white supremacists"

[Borderlands of Rojava]

It would have been, yes. Why this didn't happen is extremely predictable entirely unknown
to quote for a second:

It was then brought up with Adams that there was “considerable evidence” that “no attempt was made to prevent crime when [the FBI] had information that it was going to occur.”
Adams defended the Bureau by saying that they had passed the information on to the local police department. In response, it was pointed out that the FBI knew the department “was an accomplice to the crime.” Adams, having previously admitted that this was the case, simply responded they did “not necessarily knew [sic]” despite having been told this by their informants. As a result, the questioner noted, they “weren’t doing a whole lot to prevent that incident by telling the people who were already a part of it.”

it is slightly unclear
so, using the full 124 page report, the information you want is on page 45

I just have one quick question.' Is it correct that in 19?1 we were using around 6500 informers for a black ghetto
situation?

I'm not sure if that's the year. we did have a year where we had a number like that of around 6000 and that was the time when the cities were being burned. Detroit, Washington, areas like this, we were given a mandate to know what the situation is, where is violence going to break out next. They weren't informants like an individual that is penetrating an organization. They were listening posts in the community that would help tell us that we have another group here that is getting ready to start another fire fight or something.

so they fulfill one of your criteria-addressing murders (in theory, i'm not exactly taking this guy at his word)-but there seems to have been a generalized surveillance of the black communities at the time

well, yeah
the claim is not "the FBI has been infiltrated by white supremacists"
law enforcement is more complex, i think

the FBI is filled with supremacists all right but they aren't "white supremacists"

I mean it sure seems like it has white supremacists in it but why don't you explain to us again how the real victims of racism in America are white men.

[Kowani]

For years, the Boston police kept secret that the patrolmen's union president, Patrick Rose, was an alleged child molester.

A Globe investigation found that the Boston Police Department in 1995 filed a criminal complaint against Rose for sexual assault on a 12-year-old. But he remained on patrol for another 21 years. The father who brought his daughter in last summer to report abuse by Rose was the boy allegedly abused at age 12 in the 1995 case.

The department’s lack of administrative action back then may have left Rose free to offend again and again. Rose being tagged as a child sexual abuser was news to the public when he was arrested and charged last summer.

But it wasn’t news to the Boston Police Department where Rose served for two decades as a patrolman. Boston police won’t say if any disciplinary action was taken against Rose.

But it is clear the department did little or nothing to limit his contact with children and allowed him to salvage a career that led to the union presidency. Rose was allowed to have contact with vulnerable children even after the Boston Police Department learned of the alleged abuse in 1995,

Police dispatched him in 1999 to help a 14-year-old girl who was calling to report she had been raped, records show. State child welfare investigators believed in 1995 that there was evidence that a child had been abused by Rose.

This raised more questions about how the future union chief was able to keep his badge for another two decades. William J. Keefe, Rose's attorney, said he is fighting the charges.

“My client maintains his innocence to all of the charges that have been brought against him and he maintains his innocence to what was alleged to have transpired back in 1995."
Acting Mayor Kim Janey vowed to release records from the 1995 Boston police internal investigation into Rose's behavior.

The decision came amid intense pressure from mayoral candidates and members of the Massachusetts congressional delegation.

They were called out on this
tf kind of response is this

[Washington Resistance Army]

lmfao what the fuck