Andsed wrote:Andsed wrote:I have seen the body cam footage and it did look pretty clear she was in the process of attempting to stab someone. The context is not clear and its even murkier seeing as she did call the police but it does seem like a really shitty situation all around.
And as a follow up here is the image at the point of the shooting:
Like its pretty clear what was about to happen, whether or not shooting her four times was nessessary is defintly a valid question and an investigation should be launched into this whole mess, but it does seem like a very murky situation.
That is a pretty unambiguous still, yes, fair enough.
Nousa wrote:Senkaku wrote:spoken like someone who's never been pepper sprayed tbh, I seriously doubt a 15-year-old girl would require massive direct application to the face for it to take effect
Spoken like someone who believes pepper spray from more than 10 feet, and away from the facial openings, is actually effective.
Looked closer than 10 feet in the still Andsed posted? Maybe the riot sprayer things spray further than standard issue ones though. Either way, pepper spray probably wouldn't have stopped her from bringing her arm down, so a taser is probably the only imaginable alternative here.
You would think a public servant who's supposedly dedicated their career to putting their life on the line to protect their community would be willing to accept a slightly higher risk of getting stabbed and use a taser instead of mowing down a 15-year-old girl but ok
Spoken like someone who has never had their life in danger.
Isn't the whole premise of "why everyone should respect cops and other first responders and soldiers" that they... volunteer to do things that put their lives in danger?
Except, if you had bothered to actually review the case instead of exposing your ignorance on it, you would realize the girl wasn't trying to stab him but another girl. All of this, including the fact she was rearing back to stab her, is on video.
Galloism wrote:Senkaku wrote:spoken like someone who's never been pepper sprayed tbh, I seriously doubt a 15-year-old girl would require massive direct application to the face for it to take effect
You would think a public servant who's supposedly dedicated their career to putting their life on the line to protect their community would be willing to accept a slightly higher risk of getting stabbed and use a taser instead of mowing down a 15-year-old girl but ok
Notably, he would actually be accepting the slightly higher risk of a +/- 15 year old girl holding a dog getting stabbed. She wasn't trying to stab him. She was trying to stab someone else.
did not say she was trying to stab him, was not aware till that still that she was literally in the process of winding up to stab the other girl who she had pinned against a car (fucking
yikes) and figured it might've been a situation where she could've been tackled or something in time (obviously not), but still not going to feel bad for expressing a desire that they'd been able to resolve it without shooting her!
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Galloism wrote:Notably, he would actually be accepting the slightly higher risk of a +/- 15 year old girl holding a dog getting stabbed. She wasn't trying to stab him. She was trying to stab someone else.
There is this movement that seems to think that any police use of force is wrong, regardless of circumstances.
It really, really isn't. Someone showed me the still and it does seem like force urgently needed to be applied. I still question if that had to entail shooting her four times, but it seems a bit weird for you to be sneering at people for not being acquainted with the respective physical positions of every person involved at the moment of the shooting because they didn't want to watch a video of a teenager getting killed (watch whatever gets you off, but I personally am not really into snuff).
Greater Cesnica wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:There is this movement that seems to think that any police use of force is wrong, regardless of circumstances.
It takes away from
actual instances of police abuse.
It literally doesn't oh my god. I avoided the bodycam video (I think for understandable reasons) and only had conflicting media reports to go off of, would you rather people in such a situation uncritically accepted the authorities' line on incidents like this?