US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Ifreann]

Say what you like, but you're gonna have a hard time defending this armed maniac.

Weird comment when lots of people have spent the last year defending the murderer Derek Chauvin.

[San Lumen]

Can someone find the exact quote where he said this, please?

They'll have it clipboarded. It'll be posted in seconds.

Its still an extremely disturbing argument and I'm amazed you said that. Acquiting someone just to spite people is a reprehensible comment.

[The New California Republic]

Can someone find the exact quote where he said this, please?

They'll have it clipboarded. It'll be posted in seconds.

When you say weird and creepy shit then people tend to remember it.

[Austreylia]

Say what you like, but you're gonna have a hard time defending this armed maniac.

Weird comment when lots of people have spent the last year defending the murderer Derek Chauvin.

I could say the same about people who are staunch opponents of police-employed force, but have spent the last year dancing around having to condemn violent rioters by saying "it was just done by a minority".

[Austreylia]

Acquiting someone just to spite people is a reprehensible comment.

I find it pretty reprehensible for people to have justified an entire summer of rioting, but there we go.

[San Lumen]

Weird comment when lots of people have spent the last year defending the murderer Derek Chauvin.

I could say the same about people who are staunch opponents of police-employed force, but have spent the last year dancing around having to condemn violent rioters by saying "it was just done by a minority".

That’s because it was. That doesn’t mean the jury should have committed a travesty of justice to troll and anger people on purpose.

[Alcala-Cordel]

So there's this thing called a "taser"...

You can probably still plunge a knife into someone while being tased... and some can just go right through the effects of it.

I doubt that would be the case with a 16 year old, though. They could have shoved her out of the way, too.

[Austreylia]

They could have shoved her out of the way, too.

Which likely would've resulted in a girl. being stabbed.

[Ifreann]

Weird comment when lots of people have spent the last year defending the murderer Derek Chauvin.

I could say the same about people who are staunch opponents of police-employed force, but have spent the last year dancing around having to condemn violent rioters by saying "it was just done by a minority".

Which only further highlights how weird it is for you to say people would have a hard time defending an armed maniac, when you think that people have been doing something similar for a year now. You're contradicting yourself.

[Galloism]

This one is a lot more murky than a lot of the videos we've seen recently (Floyd, Rittenhouse, Toledo). Perhaps a taser would have been sufficient, but the officer chose his gun instead. Perhaps it wouldn't. Hard to say.

Yeah, I agree. This shooting is a tragedy, especially if it's true that the girl was the one calling 911 in the first place because she was being attacked. However, it's hard to see what the cop was doing wrong here. As you say, possibly the choice of drawing a gun instead of a taser, but it's not immediately apparent that the officer did anything wrong.

Not immediately so, no. Nothing jumps out immediately.

I know you know this, but for everyone else, even if it is true that she's the one who called police, there was absolutely no way in hell for the officer in question to know that. In that short space and timeframe, there was no opportunity for anyone to absorb even who called or who was who or anything at all. They showed up and suddenly there was a fight and one person trying to stab another person. ~13 seconds

That's really all the information available to the person holding the gun.

[Alcala-Cordel]

They could have shoved her out of the way, too.

Which likely would've resulted in a girl. being stabbed.

*which would have increased the likelihood of stabbing, but not killed anyone.

[Austreylia]

Which likely would've resulted in a girl. being stabbed.

*which would have increased the likelihood of stabbing, but not killed anyone.

People have a tendency to die from stab wounds.

[Galloism]

Which likely would've resulted in a girl. being stabbed.

*which would have increased the likelihood of stabbing, but not killed anyone.

Someone needs to get an alternate universe simulation going for these things.

[Andsed]

You can probably still plunge a knife into someone while being tased... and some can just go right through the effects of it.

I doubt that would be the case with a 16 year old, though. They could have shoved her out of the way, too.

Eh, with how close the girl was and with her pretty clearly winding up to stab I don’t know if that would have been possible. Clearly a shitty situation all around but it did look like a stabbing was about to happen.

[Alcala-Cordel]

*which would have increased the likelihood of stabbing, but not killed anyone.

People have a tendency to die from stab wounds.

If they're stabbed a certain way in certain plaes, which is extremely difficult to do if you're being shoved out of the way.

[Nakena]

Chainmail and Halberd.

[North Washington Republic]

Garland announces sweeping police probe after Floyd verdict

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is opening a sweeping investigation into policing practices in Minneapolis after a former officer was convicted in the killing of George Floyd there, Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Wednesday.

The decision comes a day after former officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty of murder and manslaughter in Floyd’s death last May, setting off a wave of relief across the country. The death prompted months of mass protests against policing and the treatment of Black people in the U.S.

The Justice Department was already investigating whether Chauvin and the other officers involved in Floyd’s death violated his civil rights.

“Yesterday’s verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in Minneapolis,” Garland said.

The new investigation is known as a “pattern or practice” — examining whether there is a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing — and will be a more sweeping probe of the entire police department and may result in major changes to policing there.

It will examine the use of force by police officers, including force used during protests, and whether the department engages in discriminatory practices. It will also look into the department’s handling of misconduct allegations and its treatment of people with behavioral health issues and will assess the department’s current systems of accountability, Garland said.

A senior Justice Department official said prosecutors chose to announce the probe a day after the verdict because they did not want to do anything to interfere with Chauvin’s trial. The official would not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Three other ex-Minneapolis police officers charged in Floyd’s death will be tried together beginning Aug. 23. The official said their trial is far enough off that officials believed it was still appropriate to make the announcement Wednesday, even though they are still awaiting trial on state charges.

It’s unclear whether the years under investigation will begin when Floyd died or before. Garland said a public report would be issued, if the department finds a pattern or practice of unconstitutional policing. The department could also bring a lawsuit against the police department, which in the past have typically ended in settlement agreements or consent decrees to force changes.


The Minneapolis Police Department is also being investigated by the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, which is looking into the department’s policies and practices over the last decade to see if it engaged in systemic discriminatory practices.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said city officials “welcome the investigation as an opportunity to continue working toward deep change and accountability in the Minneapolis Police Department.” The city council also issued a statement supporting the investigation, saying its work had been constrained by local laws and that it welcomes “new tools to pursue transformational, structural changes to how the City provides for public safety.”

The Justice Department official said attorneys from the department’s civil rights division are on the ground in Minneapolis, working with the U.S. attorney’s office and have been speaking with community groups and others.

Floyd, 46, was arrested on suspicion of passing a counterfeit $20 bill for a pack of cigarettes at a corner market. He panicked, pleaded that he was claustrophobic and struggled with police when they tried to put him in a squad car. They put him on the ground instead.


The centerpiece of the case was bystander video of Floyd, handcuffed behind his back, gasping repeatedly, “I can’t breathe,” and onlookers yelling at Chauvin to stop as the officer pressed his knee on or close to Floyd’s neck for what authorities say was about 9 1/2 minutes, including several minutes after Floyd’s breathing had stopped and he had no pulse.

Floyd’s death May 25 became a flashpoint in the national conversation about the deaths of Black Americans at the hands of law enforcement and sparked worldwide protests.

At trial, Chauvin’s defense attorney persistently suggested Chauvin’s knee wasn’t on Floyd’s neck for as long as prosecutors argued, suggesting instead it was across Floyd’s back, shoulder blades and arm.

The decision to announce a sweeping Justice Department investigation comes as President Joe Biden has promised his administration would not rest following the jury’s verdict in the case. In a Tuesday evening speech, he said much more needed to be done.

“‘I can’t breathe.’ Those were George Floyd’s last words,” Biden said. “We can’t let those words die with him. We have to keep hearing those words. We must not turn away. We can’t turn away.”

The Justice Department had previously considered opening a pattern or practice investigation into the police department soon after Floyd’s death, but then-Attorney General Bill Barr was hesitant to do so at the time, fearing that it could cause further divisions in law enforcement amid widespread protests and civil unrest, three people familiar with the matter told the AP.

Garland said the challenges being faced “are deeply woven into our history.”

“They did not arise today or last year,” Garland said. “Building trust between community and law enforcement will take time and effort by all of us, but we undertake this task with determination and urgency knowing that change cannot wait.”

This is great news. I have full faith in AG Garland in this investigation.

[Kowani]

Chainmail and Halberd.

...what?

[Romextly]

Chainmail and Halberd.

Yes

[Fahran]

This is great news. I have full faith in AG Garland in this investigation.

To be honest, I imagine it'll go about the same as past investigations and studies on police malfeasance, especially if no institutional disparities aside from those directly involved from policing are addressed in a serious way.

[Ifreann]

Chainmail and Halberd.

...what?

Nakena is posting her kinks.

[Fahran]

Chainmail and Halberd.

A good stabbing implement could often get through medieval chainmail.

Nakena is posting her kinks.

Is it really a kink if Swiss mercenaries in service to the King of France are objectively and universally hot?

[North Washington Republic]

This is great news. I have full faith in AG Garland in this investigation.

To be honest, I imagine it'll go about the same as past investigations and studies on police malfeasance, especially if no institutional disparities aside from those directly involved from policing are addressed in a serious way.

I think this may result in the necessary reforms that the MPD needs. One of the major things that needs to change that will take awhile is the culture that surrounds the MPD. Most of the officers are not from Minneapolis and live in the suburbs. People that don’t live in the Twin Cites have this feeling of superiority over those that do live in the Twin Cites. There is this attitude amongst too many officers that they’re broncobusters trying to tame a wild and unruly horse rather than serve and protect.

[Kowani]

Garland announces sweeping police probe after Floyd verdict

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is opening a sweeping investigation into policing practices in Minneapolis after a former officer was convicted in the killing of George Floyd there, Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Wednesday.

The decision comes a day after former officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty of murder and manslaughter in Floyd’s death last May, setting off a wave of relief across the country. The death prompted months of mass protests against policing and the treatment of Black people in the U.S.

The Justice Department was already investigating whether Chauvin and the other officers involved in Floyd’s death violated his civil rights.

“Yesterday’s verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in Minneapolis,” Garland said.

The new investigation is known as a “pattern or practice” — examining whether there is a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing — and will be a more sweeping probe of the entire police department and may result in major changes to policing there.

It will examine the use of force by police officers, including force used during protests, and whether the department engages in discriminatory practices. It will also look into the department’s handling of misconduct allegations and its treatment of people with behavioral health issues and will assess the department’s current systems of accountability, Garland said.

A senior Justice Department official said prosecutors chose to announce the probe a day after the verdict because they did not want to do anything to interfere with Chauvin’s trial. The official would not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Three other ex-Minneapolis police officers charged in Floyd’s death will be tried together beginning Aug. 23. The official said their trial is far enough off that officials believed it was still appropriate to make the announcement Wednesday, even though they are still awaiting trial on state charges.

It’s unclear whether the years under investigation will begin when Floyd died or before. Garland said a public report would be issued, if the department finds a pattern or practice of unconstitutional policing. The department could also bring a lawsuit against the police department, which in the past have typically ended in settlement agreements or consent decrees to force changes.


The Minneapolis Police Department is also being investigated by the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, which is looking into the department’s policies and practices over the last decade to see if it engaged in systemic discriminatory practices.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said city officials “welcome the investigation as an opportunity to continue working toward deep change and accountability in the Minneapolis Police Department.” The city council also issued a statement supporting the investigation, saying its work had been constrained by local laws and that it welcomes “new tools to pursue transformational, structural changes to how the City provides for public safety.”

The Justice Department official said attorneys from the department’s civil rights division are on the ground in Minneapolis, working with the U.S. attorney’s office and have been speaking with community groups and others.

Floyd, 46, was arrested on suspicion of passing a counterfeit $20 bill for a pack of cigarettes at a corner market. He panicked, pleaded that he was claustrophobic and struggled with police when they tried to put him in a squad car. They put him on the ground instead.


The centerpiece of the case was bystander video of Floyd, handcuffed behind his back, gasping repeatedly, “I can’t breathe,” and onlookers yelling at Chauvin to stop as the officer pressed his knee on or close to Floyd’s neck for what authorities say was about 9 1/2 minutes, including several minutes after Floyd’s breathing had stopped and he had no pulse.

Floyd’s death May 25 became a flashpoint in the national conversation about the deaths of Black Americans at the hands of law enforcement and sparked worldwide protests.

At trial, Chauvin’s defense attorney persistently suggested Chauvin’s knee wasn’t on Floyd’s neck for as long as prosecutors argued, suggesting instead it was across Floyd’s back, shoulder blades and arm.

The decision to announce a sweeping Justice Department investigation comes as President Joe Biden has promised his administration would not rest following the jury’s verdict in the case. In a Tuesday evening speech, he said much more needed to be done.

“‘I can’t breathe.’ Those were George Floyd’s last words,” Biden said. “We can’t let those words die with him. We have to keep hearing those words. We must not turn away. We can’t turn away.”

The Justice Department had previously considered opening a pattern or practice investigation into the police department soon after Floyd’s death, but then-Attorney General Bill Barr was hesitant to do so at the time, fearing that it could cause further divisions in law enforcement amid widespread protests and civil unrest, three people familiar with the matter told the AP.

Garland said the challenges being faced “are deeply woven into our history.”

“They did not arise today or last year,” Garland said. “Building trust between community and law enforcement will take time and effort by all of us, but we undertake this task with determination and urgency knowing that change cannot wait.”

This is great news. I have full faith in AG Garland in this investigation.

here's what'll happen
garland will do a great job of investigating
the committee will write a 70-page report
and the police department will ignore all of it
as per usual

[North Washington Republic]

Garland announces sweeping police probe after Floyd verdict

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department is opening a sweeping investigation into policing practices in Minneapolis after a former officer was convicted in the killing of George Floyd there, Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Wednesday.

The decision comes a day after former officer Derek Chauvin was found guilty of murder and manslaughter in Floyd’s death last May, setting off a wave of relief across the country. The death prompted months of mass protests against policing and the treatment of Black people in the U.S.

The Justice Department was already investigating whether Chauvin and the other officers involved in Floyd’s death violated his civil rights.

“Yesterday’s verdict in the state criminal trial does not address potentially systemic policing issues in Minneapolis,” Garland said.

The new investigation is known as a “pattern or practice” — examining whether there is a pattern or practice of unconstitutional or unlawful policing — and will be a more sweeping probe of the entire police department and may result in major changes to policing there.

It will examine the use of force by police officers, including force used during protests, and whether the department engages in discriminatory practices. It will also look into the department’s handling of misconduct allegations and its treatment of people with behavioral health issues and will assess the department’s current systems of accountability, Garland said.

A senior Justice Department official said prosecutors chose to announce the probe a day after the verdict because they did not want to do anything to interfere with Chauvin’s trial. The official would not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Three other ex-Minneapolis police officers charged in Floyd’s death will be tried together beginning Aug. 23. The official said their trial is far enough off that officials believed it was still appropriate to make the announcement Wednesday, even though they are still awaiting trial on state charges.

It’s unclear whether the years under investigation will begin when Floyd died or before. Garland said a public report would be issued, if the department finds a pattern or practice of unconstitutional policing. The department could also bring a lawsuit against the police department, which in the past have typically ended in settlement agreements or consent decrees to force changes.


The Minneapolis Police Department is also being investigated by the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, which is looking into the department’s policies and practices over the last decade to see if it engaged in systemic discriminatory practices.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said city officials “welcome the investigation as an opportunity to continue working toward deep change and accountability in the Minneapolis Police Department.” The city council also issued a statement supporting the investigation, saying its work had been constrained by local laws and that it welcomes “new tools to pursue transformational, structural changes to how the City provides for public safety.”

The Justice Department official said attorneys from the department’s civil rights division are on the ground in Minneapolis, working with the U.S. attorney’s office and have been speaking with community groups and others.

Floyd, 46, was arrested on suspicion of passing a counterfeit $20 bill for a pack of cigarettes at a corner market. He panicked, pleaded that he was claustrophobic and struggled with police when they tried to put him in a squad car. They put him on the ground instead.


The centerpiece of the case was bystander video of Floyd, handcuffed behind his back, gasping repeatedly, “I can’t breathe,” and onlookers yelling at Chauvin to stop as the officer pressed his knee on or close to Floyd’s neck for what authorities say was about 9 1/2 minutes, including several minutes after Floyd’s breathing had stopped and he had no pulse.

Floyd’s death May 25 became a flashpoint in the national conversation about the deaths of Black Americans at the hands of law enforcement and sparked worldwide protests.

At trial, Chauvin’s defense attorney persistently suggested Chauvin’s knee wasn’t on Floyd’s neck for as long as prosecutors argued, suggesting instead it was across Floyd’s back, shoulder blades and arm.

The decision to announce a sweeping Justice Department investigation comes as President Joe Biden has promised his administration would not rest following the jury’s verdict in the case. In a Tuesday evening speech, he said much more needed to be done.

“‘I can’t breathe.’ Those were George Floyd’s last words,” Biden said. “We can’t let those words die with him. We have to keep hearing those words. We must not turn away. We can’t turn away.”

The Justice Department had previously considered opening a pattern or practice investigation into the police department soon after Floyd’s death, but then-Attorney General Bill Barr was hesitant to do so at the time, fearing that it could cause further divisions in law enforcement amid widespread protests and civil unrest, three people familiar with the matter told the AP.

Garland said the challenges being faced “are deeply woven into our history.”

“They did not arise today or last year,” Garland said. “Building trust between community and law enforcement will take time and effort by all of us, but we undertake this task with determination and urgency knowing that change cannot wait.”

This is great news. I have full faith in AG Garland in this investigation.

here's what'll happen
garland will do a great job of investigating
the committee will write a 70-page report
and the police department will ignore all of it
as per usual

Well, as a person that actually live in Minneapolis, and have listen and spoken with the Chief of police, who happens to be a black man, I have full faith that Chief Arradondo will take this report VERY seriously and will use his full authority to implement the recommendations from AG Garland’s report.

It may not mean much to the ACAB crowd, but our Chief is very committed to implementing meaningful reforms. This report will be very helpful in his mission to do that.