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by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:13 am
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:13 am
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:16 am
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:19 am
Kowani wrote:La xinga wrote:If so, how come crime started rising when NYC began opening?
Because now people can go outside and commit crimes, or have crimes committed against them?
As we mentioned earlier, the steepest decreases in crime happened during the strictest period of lockdown. It is expected that when the lockdown ended, crime would rebound.
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:28 am
La xinga wrote:Kowani wrote:Because now people can go outside and commit crimes, or have crimes committed against them?
As we mentioned earlier, the steepest decreases in crime happened during the strictest period of lockdown. It is expected that when the lockdown ended, crime would rebound.
1. You were allowed to go outside in the lockdown too.
If anything, it would be easier to commit crimes during lockdown, less people on streets and the workers aren't actually there.
2. The murder is actually +1 from last year. Nothing to do with lockdown.
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:33 am
Kowani wrote:La xinga wrote:1. You were allowed to go outside in the lockdown too.
That’s…an oversimplification. You were allowed outside for certain purposes only, and a cursory glance at the data shows a massive reduction of people on the street. In addition, because most businesses were closed, people had even less reasons to leave.If anything, it would be easier to commit crimes during lockdown, less people on streets and the workers aren't actually there.
…Where do you think most crimes are committed?2. The murder is actually +1 from last year. Nothing to do with lockdown.
1: We were talking shootings, not murders.
2: At best that just proves that lockdowns don’t effect murder rates-which makes sense when you consider how most murders happen.
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:42 am
La xinga wrote:1. You're...........allowed to walk outside.
2. What does that have to do with anything?
3A. Assaults were up too, along with the murders.
3B. Exactly, so COVID-19 must have nothing to do with the crime.
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:44 am
Kowani wrote:La xinga wrote:1. You're...........allowed to walk outside.
The actual issue here isn’t whether people were allowed to walk outside, but rather, the rate at which they did. Because there was a massive decrease in people doing so, yes, we can say the lockdown was broadly effective.2. What does that have to do with anything?
3A. Assaults were up too, along with the murders.
3B. Exactly, so COVID-19 must have nothing to do with the crime.
…
Okay, criminology time.
Not all crime works the same way. Different crimes respond differently to societal incentives. Where a crime takes place is important to figure out what kinds of policies will have an effect on it.
Also, assaults saw a -7.1% decrease.
by Cannot think of a name » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:46 am
Coradortodos wrote:This may take forever to suppress
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:48 am
La xinga wrote:Kowani wrote:The actual issue here isn’t whether people were allowed to walk outside, but rather, the rate at which they did. Because there was a massive decrease in people doing so, yes, we can say the lockdown was broadly effective.
…
Okay, criminology time.
Not all crime works the same way. Different crimes respond differently to societal incentives. Where a crime takes place is important to figure out what kinds of policies will have an effect on it.
Also, assaults saw a -7.1% decrease.
1. And?
2. August assault +2.0
by Vassenor » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:48 am
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:50 am
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:55 am
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:58 am
Kowani wrote:La xinga wrote:1. Didn't we just come to that the lockdown does not effect. Now I'm confused what you think.
2. LAST PHASE.
1: No. we didn’t. Because when you look at the net crime rate, what do we find? A -4.2% decrease. Waffle all you want about the crimes that were never going to be effected by it in the first place, I suppose?
2: …You should really look at the activities prevented in phase 4. Malls, museums, and indoor dining are not crime hotspots. For all criminological purposes, phase 4 was the ending of lockdown.
by Fahran » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:07 am
Mirjt wrote:Also these protests are peaceful, violence is usually instigated by infiltrators (usually police infiltrators). What little violence is instigated by protestors is usually violence against property, and while we should avoid violence when possible, I am not going to weep over property damage. Human rights over property rights.
Mirjt wrote:The entire institution of policing is inherently wrong and the only ethical action a police officer can truly take is to stop being a police officer. We must abolish the police and prison if we want a truly safe and free society. Social investment over social control.
Mirjt wrote:I posted this video before, but I think I will post again for those who missed it. Here is a video from a former police officer giving his perspective on policing, his experiences as a police officer, and his opinion on the protests. It is 19 minutes long, but well worth the watch if one wants to get more perspective on this issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ3SSNJIQ2k
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:09 am
La xinga wrote:Kowani wrote:1: No. we didn’t. Because when you look at the net crime rate, what do we find? A -4.2% decrease. Waffle all you want about the crimes that were never going to be effected by it in the first place, I suppose?
2: …You should really look at the activities prevented in phase 4. Malls, museums, and indoor dining are not crime hotspots. For all criminological purposes, phase 4 was the ending of lockdown.
Do you see the spike between May and June? If what you say about 2 is true, then May and June should have been about the same. Yet we saw spike.
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:10 am
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:15 am
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:17 am
Kowani wrote:La xinga wrote:1. Didn't we just come to that the lockdown does not effect. Now I'm confused what you think.
2. LAST PHASE.
1: No. we didn’t. Because when you look at the net crime rate, what do we find? A -4.2% decrease. Waffle all you want about the crimes that were never going to be effected by it in the first place, I suppose?
2: …You should really look at the activities prevented in phase 4. Malls, museums, and indoor dining are not crime hotspots. For all criminological purposes, phase 4 was the ending of lockdown.
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:24 am
La xinga wrote:Kowani wrote:1: No. we didn’t. Because when you look at the net crime rate, what do we find? A -4.2% decrease. Waffle all you want about the crimes that were never going to be effected by it in the first place, I suppose?
2: …You should really look at the activities prevented in phase 4. Malls, museums, and indoor dining are not crime hotspots. For all criminological purposes, phase 4 was the ending of lockdown.
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:27 am
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:34 am
La xinga wrote:Kowani wrote:That’s…I’m not sure how you read my post, but whatever monstrosity you got is horribly wrong.
So let me be very clear: The different phases of the lockdown have different effects on crime rates. Phase 4 is just extremely libertine.
In terms of Assault, May-July had a bigger increase than July-August.
by La Xinga » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:41 am
by Kowani » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:05 pm
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