US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[San Lumen]

Law enforcement on the move in Brooklyn Center, reportedly making arrests. No curfew tonite. Many protesters reportedly backed out before dispersal order.

Why are they making arrests and dispersing a protest? Was it violent?

[Dejado Atras]

They targeted candles, and were deliberately offensive. They're giant assholes, and have revealed that fact for all to see. It doesn't need to go beyond that. We don't have to retaliate.

To quote Kratos: "The cycle ends here. We must be better than this. *snaps someone's neck*"

Uhh... not that last part.

I agree, they shouldn’t be physically attacked in anyway. But people have a right to call them jackasses and to name said jackasses.

It would come to physical attack though more than likely. Not an absolute but a fair wager point. Plus, it wouldn’t just be name calling. They would be followed around, harassed online, maybe even losing their jobs or being barred from clubs or associations, people might would even ultimately make their way to their homes and harass them.

At some point it would go from “they disrespected a dead man’s memorial and they need to learn” to “they blew out some candles and now they’re being harassed endlessly for weeks upon weeks”.

[Neu California]

Simon and Schuster refuses to distribute book by one of the officers who shot Breonna Taylor

[Fahran]

Law enforcement on the move in Brooklyn Center, reportedly making arrests. No curfew tonite. Many protesters reportedly backed out before dispersal order.

Why are they making arrests and dispersing a protest? Was it violent?

According to the Star Tribune, police moved in after demonstrators began arguing among themselves about escalation and breaching fences.

A sixth night of protests outside the double-fenced Brooklyn Center police headquarters went from mild and festive to extremely tense late Friday, with two dispersal orders from law enforcement and National Guard and other officers moving on the protesters shortly after 10 p.m., making many arrests.

The crowd protesting the fatal shooting of 20-year-old Daunte Wright by a former Brooklyn Center police officer swelled to about 1,000 people at its peak.

About 9 p.m., arguments erupted within the crowd when one speaker called for the fence to be rushed and taken down.

While law enforcement officers had largely stood back behind the fences and watched, they quickly issued dispersal orders, fired flash-bang grenades and moved toward the fence and toward the protest's south edge after some protesters called for breaching the fence and more objects were thrown at them.

But the mood grew more combative and chaotic as the night wore on. Speakers asked the crowd to raise their fists in defiance of the heavy law enforcement presence that has been at the station since Sunday night. "We're going to make their lives miserable every night," one speaker said via megaphone.

Royce White, cofounder of a group called 10K, called on the Black men in the crowd to rush the fence and take it down because "we are the ones getting killed by police," and accused some in the crowd of being too passive. He said that young Black women "who identify as this and that" should not be allowed to lead and set the tone.

"There's a bunch of black folks that have been planted by organizations that want to keep it peaceful," he shouted into a megaphone. "They aren't ready for change. Revolution — the time is now.

"The United States government shot a Black man; now the military is here to keep us calm. You're gonna see a bunch of people come to speak and tell you to be peaceful and wait for progress. It ain't coming. Black men, is progress coming? ... The fence represents tyranny. The fence is a smack in the face. The fence is spitting on Daunte Wright's face. We have the numbers. We should continue to push."

But others shouted denunciations of White and his group and cried out that the pleas of the majority of Black protesters, especially women, should be heeded.

It would seem the police response was justified and that clear orders to disperse were given following the incitement. It also sounds like many demonstrators dispersed when the order was given as well, but I can't be certain based on the various ways this has been reported.

[North Washington Republic]

I agree, they shouldn’t be physically attacked in anyway. But people have a right to call them jackasses and to name said jackasses.

It would come to physical attack though more than likely. Not an absolute but a fair wager point. Plus, it wouldn’t just be name calling. They would be followed around, harassed online, maybe even losing their jobs or being barred from clubs or associations, people might would even ultimately make their way to their homes and harass them.

At some point it would go from “they disrespected a dead man’s memorial and they need to learn” to “they blew out some candles and now they’re being harassed endlessly for weeks upon weeks”.

I’m not advocating for them to be harassed. I also feel that if one destroys a public memorial, they need to realize that their might be named and shamed for doing so.

[San Lumen]

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/brookly ... thumbnails

Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliot has condemned police tactics to control protesters.

[North Washington Republic]

Why are they making arrests and dispersing a protest? Was it violent?

According to the Star Tribune, police moved in after demonstrators began arguing among themselves about escalation and breaching fences.

A sixth night of protests outside the double-fenced Brooklyn Center police headquarters went from mild and festive to extremely tense late Friday, with two dispersal orders from law enforcement and National Guard and other officers moving on the protesters shortly after 10 p.m., making many arrests.

The crowd protesting the fatal shooting of 20-year-old Daunte Wright by a former Brooklyn Center police officer swelled to about 1,000 people at its peak.

About 9 p.m., arguments erupted within the crowd when one speaker called for the fence to be rushed and taken down.

While law enforcement officers had largely stood back behind the fences and watched, they quickly issued dispersal orders, fired flash-bang grenades and moved toward the fence and toward the protest's south edge after some protesters called for breaching the fence and more objects were thrown at them.

It would seem the police response was justified and that clear orders to disperse were given following the incitement. It also sounds like many demonstrators dispersed when the order was given as well, but I can't be certain based on the various ways this has been reported.

I really have a special hatred for these agitators.

[Neanderthaland]

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/brooklyn-center-mayor-tim-elliott-blasts-police-tactics-to-control-protesters/6077546/?utm_source=zetaglobal&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=thumbnails

Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliot has condemned police tactics to control protesters.

Yeah, he's been pretty vocal about his opposition to the police in this. Especially about the use of teargas. Which is banned in Brooklyn Center.

That's right: the police are breaking the law.

[Dejado Atras]

It would come to physical attack though more than likely. Not an absolute but a fair wager point. Plus, it wouldn’t just be name calling. They would be followed around, harassed online, maybe even losing their jobs or being barred from clubs or associations, people might would even ultimately make their way to their homes and harass them.

At some point it would go from “they disrespected a dead man’s memorial and they need to learn” to “they blew out some candles and now they’re being harassed endlessly for weeks upon weeks”.

I’m not advocating for them to be harassed. I also feel that if one destroys a public memorial, they need to realize that their might be named and shamed for doing so.

You not advocating for it doesn’t mean it wouldn’t happen.

[Postauthoritarian America]

Why are they making arrests and dispersing a protest? Was it violent?

According to the Star Tribune, police moved in after demonstrators began arguing among themselves about escalation and breaching fences.

A sixth night of protests outside the double-fenced Brooklyn Center police headquarters went from mild and festive to extremely tense late Friday, with two dispersal orders from law enforcement and National Guard and other officers moving on the protesters shortly after 10 p.m., making many arrests.

The crowd protesting the fatal shooting of 20-year-old Daunte Wright by a former Brooklyn Center police officer swelled to about 1,000 people at its peak.

About 9 p.m., arguments erupted within the crowd when one speaker called for the fence to be rushed and taken down.

While law enforcement officers had largely stood back behind the fences and watched, they quickly issued dispersal orders, fired flash-bang grenades and moved toward the fence and toward the protest's south edge after some protesters called for breaching the fence and more objects were thrown at them.

It would seem the police response was justified and that clear orders to disperse were given following the incitement. It also sounds like many demonstrators dispersed when the order was given as well, but I can't be certain based on the various ways this has been reported.

Media reports objects thrown over the fence, now in two lines. The outer line is being decorated with car air fresheners.

The protesters want some pretty basic things: no more police killing unarmed young Black men and no more police impunity for killing unarmed young Black men. As long as those minimal demands are met only with inaction, tear gas, flash bangs, rubber bullets, paint guns, indiscriminate arrests and overwhelming law enforcement presence, nothing will change. And if nothing changes, our cities will burn again.

[Fahran]

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/brooklyn-center-mayor-tim-elliott-blasts-police-tactics-to-control-protesters/6077546/?utm_source=zetaglobal&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=thumbnails

Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliot has condemned police tactics to control protesters.

I think the mayor might be engaging in a bit of double-speak here, especially in light of tonight's events, where the police response was measured and came after calls for violence. The police did not instigate the violence tonight, and he seems to be suggesting that the police should reduce their presence, take down fences, and still prevent escalation. If the police had not moved in, escalation could very well have occurred regardless.

[Fahran]

Media reports objects thrown over the fence, now in two lines. The outer line is being decorated with car air fresheners.

The protesters want some pretty basic things: no more police killing unarmed young Black men and no more police impunity for killing unarmed young Black men. As long as those minimal demands are met only with inaction, tear gas, flash bangs, rubber bullets, paint guns, indiscriminate arrests and overwhelming law enforcement presence, nothing will change. And if nothing changes, our cities will burn again.

I mean... how do you expect police to react for explicit calls for violence?

[North Washington Republic]

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/brooklyn-center-mayor-tim-elliott-blasts-police-tactics-to-control-protesters/6077546/?utm_source=zetaglobal&utm_medium=onsite&utm_campaign=thumbnails

Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliot has condemned police tactics to control protesters.

I think the mayor might be engaging in a bit of double-speak here, especially in light of tonight's events, where the police response was measured and came after calls for violence. The police did not instigate the violence tonight, and he seems to be suggesting that the police should reduce their presence, take down fences, and still prevent escalation. If the police had not moved in, escalation could very well have occurred regardless.

Agreed. Tonight law enforcement didn’t engage at all until people started to attempt to breach and cut the fence. Some folks believe that police shouldn’t even use non-lethal methods to defend themselves. It just pure “fu*k the police”

[North Washington Republic]

Media reports objects thrown over the fence, now in two lines. The outer line is being decorated with car air fresheners.

The protesters want some pretty basic things: no more police killing unarmed young Black men and no more police impunity for killing unarmed young Black men. As long as those minimal demands are met only with inaction, tear gas, flash bangs, rubber bullets, paint guns, indiscriminate arrests and overwhelming law enforcement presence, nothing will change. And if nothing changes, our cities will burn again.

I mean... how do you expect police to react for explicit calls for violence?

Some expert the police to let another police station burn.

[Fahran]

Agreed. Tonight law enforcement didn’t engage at all until people started to attempt to breach and cut the fence. Some folks believe that police shouldn’t even use non-lethal methods to defend themselves. It just pure “fu*k the police”

I don't even really see a need for violence in connection with the killing of Daunte Wright at the moment. Kimberly Potter, the officer who shot Daunte Wright, ostensibly due to panic and poor training, has been arrested and charged with 2nd degree manslaughter. There's a good reason to suspect she'll either be indicted and convicted or, at the very least, fired. The municipal government is supportive of BLM and efforts to reform police departments, though, notably, a lot of their proposals probably won't do much to address shootings of this nature.

We would need people more suitable for high-stress situations and that probably means putting more money into police recruitment and police training to draw larger pools of recruits, enable a more competitive selection process for officers, and higher quality training for these sorts of situations. We'd also need to take broad steps to address racial disparities and the fraught relationship between the police and the black community.

[Postauthoritarian America]

Media reports objects thrown over the fence, now in two lines. The outer line is being decorated with car air fresheners.

The protesters want some pretty basic things: no more police killing unarmed young Black men and no more police impunity for killing unarmed young Black men. As long as those minimal demands are met only with inaction, tear gas, flash bangs, rubber bullets, paint guns, indiscriminate arrests and overwhelming law enforcement presence, nothing will change. And if nothing changes, our cities will burn again.

I mean... how do you expect police to react for explicit calls for violence?

How do you expect Black people to react to police killing unarmed young Black men and getting away with it? Elected officials, prosecutors, etc. might could take action to stop police killing and police impunity, then cops might not have to erect barricades outside their precinct houses or call in hundreds of state troopers and National Guards to keep people from burning them down.

[San Lumen]

I mean... how do you expect police to react for explicit calls for violence?

How do you expect Black people to react to police killing unarmed young Black men and getting away with it? Elected officials, prosecutors, etc. might could take action to stop police killing and police impunity, then cops might not have to erect barricades outside their precinct houses or call in hundreds of state troopers and National Guards to keep people from burning them down.

one way you can get police reform is to elect new sheriffs and district attorneys and new people to the city council and mayorship.

[Fahran]

How do you expect Black people to react to police killing unarmed young Black men and getting away with it?

Officer Chauvin is currently on trial. Officer Potter has been charged with second-degree manslaughter. Someone also saw fit to leak her address for what was probably an accidental shooting. Nobody expects black people to not be upset, but, at the same time, the municipal government and police have no intention of allowing riots to get out of control. That doesn't actually help anyone at a time when we're seeing some efforts to implement reforms and punish cops who shoot unarmed black men.

Elected officials, prosecutors, etc. might could take action to stop police killing and police impunity, then cops might not have to erect barricades outside their precinct houses or call in hundreds of state troopers and National Guards to keep people from burning them down.

They have taken action. Potter has literally been charged. She was charged within two days of the shooting.

[Fahran]

one way you can get police reform is to elect new sheriffs and district attorneys and new people to the city council and mayorship.

The mayor and district attorneys are already supportive of reforms and accountability ostensibly, to the point that the mayor is giving local officers orders that don't make any logical sense unless he wants riots to go unimpeded. He condemned the police response tonight - a response that seems to have been mild and warranted.

[North Washington Republic]

How do you expect Black people to react to police killing unarmed young Black men and getting away with it?

Officer Chauvin is currently on trial. Officer Potter has been charged with second-degree manslaughter. Someone also saw fit to leak her address for what was probably an accidental shooting. Nobody expects black people to not be upset, but, at the same time, the municipal government and police have no intention of allowing riots to get out of control. That doesn't actually help anyone at a time when we're seeing some efforts to implement reforms and punish cops who shoot unarmed black men.

Elected officials, prosecutors, etc. might could take action to stop police killing and police impunity, then cops might not have to erect barricades outside their precinct houses or call in hundreds of state troopers and National Guards to keep people from burning them down.

They have taken action. Potter has literally been charged. She was charged within two days of the shooting.

I think what they are looking for is radical change, a revolution if you will. They have a deep distrust in these institutions and believe they are rotten to the core and are incapable of reform, thus must be torn down and be rebuild.

[San Lumen]

one way you can get police reform is to elect new sheriffs and district attorneys and new people to the city council and mayorship.

The mayor and district attorneys are already supportive of reforms and accountability ostensibly, to the point that the mayor is giving local officers orders that don't make any logical sense unless he wants riots to go unimpeded. He condemned the police response tonight - a response that seems to have been mild and warranted.

What makes you think he supports riots?

[Fahran]

I think what they are looking for is radical change, a revolution if you will. They have a deep distrust in these institutions and believe they are rotten to the core and are incapable of reform, thus must be torn down and be rebuild.

Judging by the rhetoric from White, the gentleman who prompted arguments between demonstrators and elicited the eventual police response, that would be a safe bet. I get his perspectives honestly, but I also get why the police aren't willing to capitulate if it means allowing violence to go unimpeded - since that is part of the job the municipal government has them around to do.

[San Lumen]

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/in-11-1 ... 655/?cat=1

Minneapolis City Council voted 11-1 to oppose the use of tear gas and other munitions as part of Minnesota's response to protesters.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Officer Chauvin is currently on trial. Officer Potter has been charged with second-degree manslaughter. Someone also saw fit to leak her address for what was probably an accidental shooting. Nobody expects black people to not be upset, but, at the same time, the municipal government and police have no intention of allowing riots to get out of control. That doesn't actually help anyone at a time when we're seeing some efforts to implement reforms and punish cops who shoot unarmed black men.


They have taken action. Potter has literally been charged. She was charged within two days of the shooting.

I think what they are looking for is radical change, a revolution if you will. They have a deep distrust in these institutions and believe they are rotten to the core and are incapable of reform, thus must be torn down and be rebuild.

A very correct and overall good take.

[Fahran]

What makes you think he supports riots?

I don't think he supports the riots. I think he's acting in bad faith to make it appear that he's on the side of protestors while still gaining the benefits of the police cracking down when protests begin escalating. Essentially, his stance isn't one rooted in logic, but rather in political expedience. Because there was nothing deserving of condemnation from the police tonight. They handled the situation precisely as they should have if the goal was preventing escalation.