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Page wrote:And the undercover cops too, don't forget about them.

Austreylia wrote:

Neu California wrote:Rejecting a source that talks to experts just because you don't like them.

A source, BTW, that has won six Pulitzers and a Peabody.

Sorry, but you're bias is showing, and it's a terrible look.

I don't care if they've won any awards. That doesn't mean anything.

Whatever is socially acceptable wins awards, these days.

Austreylia wrote:

Page wrote:And the undercover cops too, don't forget about them.

How can you actually believe that...?

Great Pacific Switzerland wrote:

Gravlen wrote:Not necessarily.

Again, there was no connection between Huber and Rosenbaum. Huber was a bystander reacting to information that Rittenhouse had shot someone. At the time, the situation with Rosenbaum was over, and any self-defence situation Rittenhouse was in does not carry over to other people. The question of whether Rittenhouse acted in self-defence against Huber has to viewed independently in that perspective, and has to take into consideration a whole host of other factors than in the Rosenbaum-situation. There's also a question of whether Rittenhouse's shooting of Huber was a proportional response.

Rittenhouse might very well be aquitted for all charges concerning Rosenbaum, but convicted for killing Huber. We'll have to wait and see what happens there.


Does the shoes of self-defence have laces?

Regardless, the shoes of self-defence is different than the affirmative legal defence of self-defence. I'll stick with that.

By the time that would happen, you'd either be dead or psychologically scarred. I'd rather go to court and give testimony of the attack and be done with it than have my dignity taken away and waste my money on a hot shot laywer

Greater Miami Shores wrote:

Austreylia wrote:I don't care if they've won any awards. That doesn't mean anything.

Whatever is socially acceptable wins awards, these days.

I think I cant post to this guy, but I want to comment on his views - George Floyd was murdered on May 25, 2020. Protests started May 26. The Third Precinct burned May 28. Chauvin and his three accomplices were charged and arrested May 29.

I think he just proved many of the points we agree on, of course there are times no one agrees with anyone a 100 %.

Page wrote:Cause this has been going on for over a century. You could start with the Wikipedia page for COINTELPRO.

Austreylia wrote:

Neu California wrote:Prove it.

Also, since you insist they're lying/wrong/bullshit as a source, prove that too.

Know that failure to do so means you've just outed yourself as someone who cares only about facts and "facts" that meet your viewpoints and can be safely ignored.

Oh, no! Someone on NSG has a negative view of me! No! Whatever will I do?

You were trying to downplay the number of deaths due to the riots just a couple of posts back, so you're not in any position to be giving lectures.

Neu California wrote:No, I wasn't. I went off of Wikipedia's well-sourced count that I have been given zero reason to disbelieve. Show me a source that there were dozens of death as YOU said, you liar.

Picairn wrote:

Neu California wrote:No, I wasn't. I went off of Wikipedia's well-sourced count that I have been given zero reason to disbelieve. Show me a source that there were dozens of death as YOU said, you liar.

You might want to calm down a little bit...

Neu California wrote:No, I wasn't. I went off of Wikipedia's well-sourced count that I have been given zero reason to disbelieve. Show me a source that there were dozens of death as YOU said, you liar.

Postauthoritarian America wrote:

Greater Miami Shores wrote:I think I cant post to this guy, but I want to comment on his views - George Floyd was murdered on May 25, 2020. Protests started May 26. The Third Precinct burned May 28. Chauvin and his three accomplices were charged and arrested May 29.

I think he just proved many of the points we agree on, of course there are times no one agrees with anyone a 100 %.

My point is charging and arresting killer cops does more to prevent violence than deploying National Guardsmen with tear gas, flash bangs, rubber bullets and war machines. What was yours?

Austreylia wrote:Referring to my own above post, the perpetrator in question had actually rammed police with his own car and then fired at them from inside the car.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Dolal_Idd

Edit: I'm predicting that people will leave this thread for half an hour or so and then reply with something totally unrelated to the incident I brought up. I wonder why?

Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:Yeah and Emil Maurice was of Jewish descent, but he was still Hitler's chauffeur and a founding member of the Schutzstaffel ... the fucking SS, and Ernst Roehm was a homosexual and was only purged because of his stances on the SA integrating into the army, whilst still being a close friend to Hitler.

The exception is not the rule.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:

Postauthoritarian America wrote:
My point is charging and arresting killer cops does more to prevent violence than deploying National Guardsmen with tear gas, flash bangs, rubber bullets and war machines. What was yours?

Don't throw rocks, don't throw projectiles at cops and problems solved, don't loot stores, don't burn down The Third Precinct, protest peacefully and problems solved.

See how we can all get along as long as I don't mention the T word, lol I just mentioned the T word, I appreciate you don't place me on ignore for strongly disagreeing with you on whatever issues, especially on President Trump and the Republicans. Republican President Trump for emphasis, like others do and will never admit it. For not telling others to put me on ignore.

Austreylia wrote:

Neu California wrote:No, I wasn't. I went off of Wikipedia's well-sourced count that I have been given zero reason to disbelieve. Show me a source that there were dozens of death as YOU said, you liar.

Don't call me a liar, you son of a bitch.

Wikipedia states, with citations, that "at least 25" were killed. I'd say that 25 is enough to count as dozens.

Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:How about these folks who claim to "uphold the law" just stop killing people straight up or just do their fucking job right? Then POOF! The protests disappear! Hooray!

Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Don't throw rocks, don't throw projectiles at cops and problems solved, don't loot stores, don't burn down The Third Precinct, protest peacefully and problems solved.

See how we can all get along as long as I don't mention the T word, lol I just mentioned the T word, I appreciate you don't place me on ignore for strongly disagreeing with you on whatever issues, especially on President Trump and the Republicans. Republican President Trump for emphasis, like others do and will never admit it. For not telling others to put me on ignore.

How about these folks who claim to "uphold the law" just stop killing people straight up or just do their fucking job right? Then POOF! The protests disappear! Hooray!

Neu California wrote:Cut the flaming. And if you think I was flaming by calling you a liar, report it in moderation.

To quote Wikipedia's page on the George Floyd Protests itself:

Death(s) 19+ (as of June 8, 2020) And ctrl+f 25 does not get any reference to 25 deaths.

So, no Wikipedia disagrees with you. Stop lying about such easily verified info.

Austreylia wrote:

CoraSpia wrote:Because it's actual property damage by state agents to create a chilling effect on protesters. It is not good.

It's fine. These protests are known to end in civil unrest and looting, so I don't blame the cops.

It's not so different from snapping pictures of the violators from a helicopter, or spraying them with dyed water from a water cannon.

Austreylia wrote:

Neu California wrote:Cut the flaming. And if you think I was flaming by calling you a liar, report it in moderation.

To quote Wikipedia's page on the George Floyd Protests itself:

Death(s) 19+ (as of June 8, 2020) And ctrl+f 25 does not get any reference to 25 deaths.

So, no Wikipedia disagrees with you. Stop lying about such easily verified info.

I would never report you. I don't believe in doing that. You insulted me, so I insulted you.

Wikipedia cites this article by this horrible newspaper:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... rest-acled

Neu California wrote:BTW, I prefer to have a forum where people can discuss respectfully without insulting each other than one where people who dare to report others get attacked. That attitude is part of what killed the Right Wing Discussion Thread, btw, a refusal to report rules violations.

Austreylia wrote:

Neu California wrote:BTW, I prefer to have a forum where people can discuss respectfully without insulting each other than one where people who dare to report others get attacked. That attitude is part of what killed the Right Wing Discussion Thread, btw, a refusal to report rules violations.

You insulted me first. I'm not going to just sit here and let you disrespect me.

Austreylia wrote:

Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:How about these folks who claim to "uphold the law" just stop killing people straight up or just do their fucking job right? Then POOF! The protests disappear! Hooray!

It would help if half of the suspects would stop/freeze as they're told to, and not start doing the stanky leg.

Austreylia wrote:

Engadine Mcdonalds 1997 wrote:How about these folks who claim to "uphold the law" just stop killing people straight up or just do their fucking job right? Then POOF! The protests disappear! Hooray!

It would help if half of the suspects would stop/freeze as they're told to, and not start doing the stanky leg.