US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Sanghyeok]

Thank you.

Also, we aren’t the ones who commit numerous genocides and left a legacy of colonial oppression.

I mean, there are a few examples that show otherwise (Rwandan genocide, etc). My point is that white supremacists are more of a threat because they're the ones in power here, not so much that other racial supremacy is less terrible.

Right, I agree with Cordel. Racial supremacy exists in all races and groups, although the greatest problem by far is white supremacy.

[Kathol Rift]

Thank you.

Also, we aren’t the ones who commit numerous genocides and left a legacy of colonial oppression.

I mean, there are a few examples that show otherwise (Rwandan genocide, etc). My point is that white supremacists are more of a threat because they're the ones in power here, not so much that other racial supremacy is less terrible.

This may be the first time I’ve agreed with Cordel, but yeah, this. White supremacists have only done the worse acts through history by virtue of being the ones in power. If history were flipped to where Africa advanced and hit Colonialism before Europe, then all the historical atrocities would have been done by black supremacists.

[Cordel One]

I mean, there are a few examples that show otherwise (Rwandan genocide, etc). My point is that white supremacists are more of a threat because they're the ones in power here, not so much that other racial supremacy is less terrible.

This may be the first time I’ve agreed with Cordel, but yeah, this. White supremacists have only done the worse acts through history by virtue of being the ones in power. If history were flipped to where Africa advanced and hit Colonialism before Europe, then all the historical atrocities would have been done by black supremacists.

You might have found yourself agreeing with me more often if I didn't say everything with such a sharp tongue

[Kathol Rift]

This may be the first time I’ve agreed with Cordel, but yeah, this. White supremacists have only done the worse acts through history by virtue of being the ones in power. If history were flipped to where Africa advanced and hit Colonialism before Europe, then all the historical atrocities would have been done by black supremacists.

You might have found yourself agreeing with me more often if I didn't say everything with such a sharp tongue

That’s entirely possible, but I am not in favor of a communist revolution and do disagree with many things you say, regardless of tone. I am glad that we’re in agreement on this particular portion of this topic though.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Don’t get me wrong, fascists still can rot in hell, but I care about preserving black identity. Fascists and socialists alike are an impediment to that.

I think you’re conflating fascism with the far right in general, fascism in its original forms doesn’t involve any race, neither is it far right since it explicitly rejects capitalism and embraces syndicalism

It’s explicitly third positionist

Fascism is its “original forms” has been effectively supplanted by the more explicitly racist, xenophobic, nativist, ethnocentric and populist neo-fascism and has become the face of modern fascism, whether you like it or not.

[The Emerald Legion]

I mean, there are a few examples that show otherwise (Rwandan genocide, etc). My point is that white supremacists are more of a threat because they're the ones in power here, not so much that other racial supremacy is less terrible.

Right, I agree with Cordel. Racial supremacy exists in all races and groups, although the greatest problem by far is white supremacy.

Not really. It's an artificially inflated boogeyman. At least in the US.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I think you’re conflating fascism with the far right in general, fascism in its original forms doesn’t involve any race, neither is it far right since it explicitly rejects capitalism and embraces syndicalism

It’s explicitly third positionist

Fascism is its “original forms” has been effectively supplanted by the more explicitly racist, xenophobic, nativist, ethnocentric and populist neo-fascism and has become the face of modern fascism, whether you like it or not.

Xenophobia and nativism have always been part of fascism, I don’t see either of these as bad things

Racism and ethnocentrism is more a symptom of the far right

[Cordel One]

Right, I agree with Cordel. Racial supremacy exists in all races and groups, although the greatest problem by far is white supremacy.

Not really. It's an artificially inflated boogeyman. At least in the US.

On the contrary, it's very real and it is absolutely thriving.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

I think you’re conflating fascism with the far right in general, fascism in its original forms doesn’t involve any race, neither is it far right since it explicitly rejects capitalism and embraces syndicalism

It’s explicitly third positionist

Fascism is its “original forms” has been effectively supplanted by the more explicitly racist, xenophobic, nativist, ethnocentric and populist neo-fascism and has become the face of modern fascism, whether you like it or not.

Also, it hasn’t been "effectively supplanted" as you say, when the New British Blackshirts explicitly denounce racism, or the New Spanish Falange also denouncing racism, and openly accepting immigrants and LGBT, or the American Proud Boys denouncing racism and the ADL even admitting the organization isn’t racist (although they are a bunch of clowns, I’ll give you that)

You’re looking at "gun-toting’ 'Murican Southerners" and incorrectly labelling them fascists

[Vassenor]

Fascism is its “original forms” has been effectively supplanted by the more explicitly racist, xenophobic, nativist, ethnocentric and populist neo-fascism and has become the face of modern fascism, whether you like it or not.

Also, it hasn’t been "effectively supplanted" as you say, when the New British Blackshirts explicitly denounce racism, or the New Spanish Falange also denouncing racism, and openly accepting immigrants and LGBT, or the American Proud Boys denouncing racism and the ADL even admitting the organization isn’t racist (although they are a bunch of clowns, I’ll give you that)

You’re looking at "gun-toting’ 'Murican Southerners" and incorrectly labelling them fascists

For an anti-racist group, the Proud Boys sure do a lot of white supremacist racism.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Racism and ethnocentrism is more a symptom of the far right

Both are core components of modern fascism, and fascism and far right aren’t mutually exclusive.

Also, it hasn’t been "effectively supplanted" as you say, when the New British Blackshirts explicitly denounce racism, or the New Spanish Falange also denouncing racism, and openly accepting immigrants and LGBT, or the American Proud Boys denouncing racism and the ADL even admitting the organization isn’t racist (although they are a bunch of clowns, I’ll give you that)

Why should I care that a handful of fascist groups cry “disavow” at their neo-fascist brethren in order to hide their power level and say “b-but we aren’t the racists, they are! We’re the “good” fascists! See? We only only hate foreigners and Jews!”?

You do know that your brand of “classical fascism” isn’t the only form of fascism that exists right? Though I suspect you’re gonna try and go “no true Scotsman” here and try to claim neo-fascists and neo-Nazis aren’t “real fascists” because they don’t adhere strictly to Mussolini scripture.

You’re looking at "gun-toting’ 'Murican Southerners" and incorrectly labelling them fascists

Uh huh.

[Genivaria]

Fascism is its “original forms” has been effectively supplanted by the more explicitly racist, xenophobic, nativist, ethnocentric and populist neo-fascism and has become the face of modern fascism, whether you like it or not.

Also, it hasn’t been "effectively supplanted" as you say, when the New British Blackshirts explicitly denounce racism, or the New Spanish Falange also denouncing racism, and openly accepting immigrants and LGBT, or the American Proud Boys denouncing racism and the ADL even admitting the organization isn’t racist (although they are a bunch of clowns, I’ll give you that)

You’re looking at "gun-toting’ 'Murican Southerners" and incorrectly labelling them fascists

Yeah I really wouldn't hold u the Proud Boys as the non-racist standard.

[Kowani]

Fascism is its “original forms” has been effectively supplanted by the more explicitly racist, xenophobic, nativist, ethnocentric and populist neo-fascism and has become the face of modern fascism, whether you like it or not.

Also, it hasn’t been "effectively supplanted" as you say, when the New British Blackshirts explicitly denounce racism, or the New Spanish Falange also denouncing racism, and openly accepting immigrants and LGBT, or the American Proud Boys denouncing racism and the ADL even admitting the organization isn’t racist (although they are a bunch of clowns, I’ll give you that)

You’re looking at "gun-toting’ 'Murican Southerners" and incorrectly labelling them fascists

About those Proud Boys.

[Salus Maior]

Also, it hasn’t been "effectively supplanted" as you say, when the New British Blackshirts explicitly denounce racism, or the New Spanish Falange also denouncing racism, and openly accepting immigrants and LGBT, or the American Proud Boys denouncing racism and the ADL even admitting the organization isn’t racist (although they are a bunch of clowns, I’ll give you that)

You’re looking at "gun-toting’ 'Murican Southerners" and incorrectly labelling them fascists

About those Proud Boys.

"Western Civilization was built by the white race alone."

Yeah, they haven't read a lot of history did they?

[Nakena]

Also, it hasn’t been "effectively supplanted" as you say, when the New British Blackshirts explicitly denounce racism, or the New Spanish Falange also denouncing racism, and openly accepting immigrants and LGBT, or the American Proud Boys denouncing racism and the ADL even admitting the organization isn’t racist (although they are a bunch of clowns, I’ll give you that)

You’re looking at "gun-toting’ 'Murican Southerners" and incorrectly labelling them fascists

About those Proud Boys.

It seems like they have an internal conflict between "civic" and "ethno" nationalists. Same shit happened before.

[Neanderthaland]

About those Proud Boys.

It seems like they have an internal conflict between "civic" and "ethno" nationalists. Same shit happened before.

It's sort of unfortunate. Because it shouldn't be impossible to be an American nationalist and not attract this kind of bigotry. Like, I disagree strongly with most forms of nationalism, but I wouldn't mind an honest civic nationalist to argue with, or to be the opposition. There's something very appealing about the idea of an American nation built upon shared ideology. And even with all their willful ignorance and propaganda, at their best they can be very inspiring and almost beautiful.

But every time you pull the mask off these organizations, it turns out Mr. Hitler was under there all along.

[Nakena]

It seems like they have an internal conflict between "civic" and "ethno" nationalists. Same shit happened before.

It's sort of unfortunate. Because it shouldn't be impossible to be an American nationalist and not attract this kind of bigotry. Like, I disagree strongly with most forms of nationalism, but I wouldn't mind an honest civic nationalist to argue with, or to be the opposition. There's something very appealing about the idea of an American nation built upon shared ideology. And even with all their willful ignorance and propaganda, at their best they can be very inspiring and almost beautiful.

But every time you pull the mask off these organizations, it turns out Mr. Hitler was under there all along.

Chapman originally belonged to the civic faction back in 2017 and got also under heavy fire back then for exactly that. Specifically for making a facebook post where he maintained the US were a nation of immigrants. He has either radicalized or changed his ideology since.

Ultimatively its two very different ideologies and outlooks that temporarily bounded together during the 2016 elections to bring Trump into the White House. Around the time he assumed the presidency the conflicts started to break out. That (and ultimatively Charlottesville which came to a shock to many of those people who just wanted, postiviely, a change and drove them away) were the reason why the counterculture that was described in the book "Kill all Normies" died early on. Some of it went mainstream though.

[Neanderthaland]

It's sort of unfortunate. Because it shouldn't be impossible to be an American nationalist and not attract this kind of bigotry. Like, I disagree strongly with most forms of nationalism, but I wouldn't mind an honest civic nationalist to argue with, or to be the opposition. There's something very appealing about the idea of an American nation built upon shared ideology. And even with all their willful ignorance and propaganda, at their best they can be very inspiring and almost beautiful.

But every time you pull the mask off these organizations, it turns out Mr. Hitler was under there all along.

Chapman originally belonged to the civic faction back in 2017 and got also under heavy fire back then for exactly that. Specifically for making a facebook post where he maintained the US were a nation of immigrants. He has either radicalized or changed his ideology since.

Ultimatively its two very different ideologies and outlooks that temporarily bounded together during the 2016 elections to bring Trump into the White House. Around the time he assumed the presidency the conflicts started to break out. That (and ultimatively Charlottesville which came to a shock to many of those people who just wanted, postiviely, a change and drove them away) were the reason why the counterculture that was described in the book "Kill all Normies" died early on. Some of it went mainstream though.

Oh, their relationship goes back waaaay further then that. In fact I can't think of a single time civic nationalism in the USA was free of it in the last 50 years. The bigots always worm their way in. Nixon, Reagan, and Bush may have talked of an America built upon shared ideology, where anyone is welcome. But each administration enacted policies that targeted ethnic minorities specifically.

[Byzconia]

Right, I agree with Cordel. Racial supremacy exists in all races and groups, although the greatest problem by far is white supremacy.

Not really. It's an artificially inflated boogeyman. At least in the US.

Such an "artificially inflated boogeyman," in fact, that those hippy communists in the Department of Homeland Security apparently seem fit to declare it the "most lethal threat to the US."

[Odreria]

Not really. It's an artificially inflated boogeyman. At least in the US.

Such an "artificially inflated boogeyman," in fact, that those hippy communists in the Department of Homeland Security apparently seem fit to declare it the "most lethal threat to the US."

As if we needed another reason to abolish DHS

[Senkaku]

Not really. It's an artificially inflated boogeyman. At least in the US.

Such an "artificially inflated boogeyman," in fact, that those hippy communists in the Department of Homeland Security apparently seem fit to declare it the "most lethal threat to the US."

They're obviously just deep state leftists out to get the President. As you know, the American security forces and intelligence services have long been riddled with soft-hearted pinkos whose primary interests include promoting and supporting left-wing agitators and subtly disseminating Marxist propaganda. I mean, COINTELPRO alone should give you a sense of how far these liberal sleeper agents are willing to go in supporting left-wing causes to undermine the Silent Majority and American conservatism!

[Senkaku]

Chapman originally belonged to the civic faction back in 2017 and got also under heavy fire back then for exactly that. Specifically for making a facebook post where he maintained the US were a nation of immigrants. He has either radicalized or changed his ideology since.

Ultimatively its two very different ideologies and outlooks that temporarily bounded together during the 2016 elections to bring Trump into the White House. Around the time he assumed the presidency the conflicts started to break out. That (and ultimatively Charlottesville which came to a shock to many of those people who just wanted, postiviely, a change and drove them away) were the reason why the counterculture that was described in the book "Kill all Normies" died early on. Some of it went mainstream though.

Oh, their relationship goes back waaaay further then that. In fact I can't think of a single time civic nationalism in the USA was free of it in the last 50 years. The bigots always worm their way in. Nixon, Reagan, and Bush may have talked of an America built upon shared ideology, where anyone is welcome. But each administration enacted policies that targeted ethnic minorities specifically.

Civic nationalism in the US has always just been a mask. The people who unironically buy into it usually eventually either end up realizing they like what's underneath, or that they've been a leftie at heart all along and they've just been uncritically accepting something that sounded good but didn't really exist.

[Phoenicaea]

^it seems you review ‘the big chill’ american comedy. it is nice, yet it is social mores rather than politics properly. these ‘tribal’ behaviors also get insufflated when people sees politics as social mores.

[Kexholm Karelia]

Kyle Rittenhouse has been released on bail

[Salus Maior]

Kyle Rittenhouse has been released on bail

Good for him.

He really didn't do anything wrong.