US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Rusozak]

Communists aren't going to come to power for a very long time in the US, so I think you're safe.

I know this is an old post but I just saw it right now

What I said in my original post in the quote chain was that the right should stop supporting police militarization because the minute a communist or other far leftist comes to power, the same police will be used to hunt us down and kill us, the same exact thing happened in China because the RoC had a militarized police, so when Mao and the Communist Party took over, they used the same exact police and the framework of the RoC to carry out the Cultural Revolution.

What my point is that the right should stop supporting that because a communist coming into power would have the same police used to hunt us. It doesn’t matter if a communist is likely to come into power or not, the point is the police shouldn’t have the power to carry something like that out in the first place

Defund the police because when the commies come to power the cops will be their tool. Not the take I was expecting but I guess there's some logic to it.

[Telconi]

I know this is an old post but I just saw it right now

What I said in my original post in the quote chain was that the right should stop supporting police militarization because the minute a communist or other far leftist comes to power, the same police will be used to hunt us down and kill us, the same exact thing happened in China because the RoC had a militarized police, so when Mao and the Communist Party took over, they used the same exact police and the framework of the RoC to carry out the Cultural Revolution.

What my point is that the right should stop supporting that because a communist coming into power would have the same police used to hunt us. It doesn’t matter if a communist is likely to come into power or not, the point is the police shouldn’t have the power to carry something like that out in the first place

Defund the police because when the commies come to power the cops will be their tool. Not the take I was expecting but I guess there's some logic to it.

That's sort of the entire idea behind small government types, is that a strong government will inevitably be used against you.

[The Lone Alliance]

You've made a case for why the mainstream media might want to separate Boogaloos from the BLM crowd.
However you claim they actually did. How?

The first thing they did was try to claim that the Boogaloos were actually white supremacists which puts a natural wedge between the two movements then there was the push that all acts of political violence were actually being done by Right wing agitators, which turned them into scapegoats.
Also more importantly whenever the police arrested them they'd take whatever guns they had and guns are expensive.

They also lacked political support unlike BLM.

BLM had support of many parts of life and most of the Democratic party, even a few on the Republican side.

The Boogaloos only had support by a small subgroup of anti-cop Libertarians and a small fringe group of Small Government Conservatives, the rest of the Republican leaning media didn't like them because they were going against Trump's "LAW AND ORDER" narrative and the Republican idea that there's nothing wrong with the police.

[West Leas Oros 2]

Another Boogaloo boy has been charged, this one for firing on a police station and then helping to set in on fire and taking part in the looting.

Charges: Boogaloo Bois fired on Minneapolis police precinct, shouted 'Justice for Floyd'

Feds say Ivan Harrison Hunter helped burn and loot the Third Precinct building as part of a coordinated attack from the far-right group trying to ignite an American civil war.

In the wake of protests following the May 25 killing of George Floyd, a member of the “Boogaloo Bois” opened fire on Minneapolis Police Third Precinct with an AK-47-style gun and screamed “Justice for Floyd” as he ran away, according to a federal complaint made public Friday.

A sworn affidavit by the FBI underlying the complaint reveals new details about a far-right anti-government group’s coordinated role in the violence that roiled through civil unrest over Floyd’s death while in police custody.

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a 26-year-old from Boerne, Texas, is charged with one count of interstate travel to incite a riot for his alleged role in ramping up violence during the protests in Minneapolis on May 27 and 28. According to charges, Hunter, wearing a skull mask and tactical gear, shot 13 rounds at the south Minneapolis police headquarters while people were inside. He also looted and helped set the building ablaze, according to the complaint, which was filed Monday under seal.

So the Boogaloos and BLM have allied. This may become more chaotic than anticipated.

Oh god oh fuck. This is almost Nazbol levels of cursed.

Unfathomably based though.

[Kexholm Karelia]

I know this is an old post but I just saw it right now

What I said in my original post in the quote chain was that the right should stop supporting police militarization because the minute a communist or other far leftist comes to power, the same police will be used to hunt us down and kill us, the same exact thing happened in China because the RoC had a militarized police, so when Mao and the Communist Party took over, they used the same exact police and the framework of the RoC to carry out the Cultural Revolution.

What my point is that the right should stop supporting that because a communist coming into power would have the same police used to hunt us. It doesn’t matter if a communist is likely to come into power or not, the point is the police shouldn’t have the power to carry something like that out in the first place

Defund the police because when the commies come to power the cops will be their tool. Not the take I was expecting but I guess there's some logic to it.

The same thing happened in China and Cuba, both of the countries had big police forces which were militarized, so when communists came to power they used the same police force to kill opposition

[Senkaku]

Another Boogaloo boy has been charged, this one for firing on a police station and then helping to set in on fire and taking part in the looting.

Charges: Boogaloo Bois fired on Minneapolis police precinct, shouted 'Justice for Floyd'

Feds say Ivan Harrison Hunter helped burn and loot the Third Precinct building as part of a coordinated attack from the far-right group trying to ignite an American civil war.

In the wake of protests following the May 25 killing of George Floyd, a member of the “Boogaloo Bois” opened fire on Minneapolis Police Third Precinct with an AK-47-style gun and screamed “Justice for Floyd” as he ran away, according to a federal complaint made public Friday.

A sworn affidavit by the FBI underlying the complaint reveals new details about a far-right anti-government group’s coordinated role in the violence that roiled through civil unrest over Floyd’s death while in police custody.

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a 26-year-old from Boerne, Texas, is charged with one count of interstate travel to incite a riot for his alleged role in ramping up violence during the protests in Minneapolis on May 27 and 28. According to charges, Hunter, wearing a skull mask and tactical gear, shot 13 rounds at the south Minneapolis police headquarters while people were inside. He also looted and helped set the building ablaze, according to the complaint, which was filed Monday under seal.

So the Boogaloos and BLM have allied. This may become more chaotic than anticipated.

man from a far right group trying to provoke a civil war shouts slogans of a group he'd probably be trying to kill in the event of said civil war while engaging in terrorism, and your conclusion is that these two groups "have allied"

brilliant work as usual, Holmes

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Protests between police and protesters in the township next to my town turned crazy yesterday when police showed up in riot gear and clashed with demonstrators arresting 7. Demonstrators claim they strip searched a woman on Van Duke Avenue in broad daylight although police deny it and claim "she escaped her cuffs and began taking her clothes off" (I have a hard time believing this claim but I won't rule it out completely) and a cop kneeled on one detained demonstrator's neck.

I'm shocked and pissed the fuck off a cop did that but frankly I'm not remotely surprised that that happened or the clashes happened. This is the same department that allowed their chief to come back to work after he supported killing protesters online. They have a history of abuse. Hopefully the protests will grow in intensity until they finally do the right thing and can Robert Shelihide. They really need to clean house at the Shelby PD.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Protests between police and protesters in the township next to my town turned crazy yesterday when police showed up in riot gear and clashed with demonstrators arresting 7. Demonstrators claim they strip searched a woman on Van Duke Avenue in broad daylight although police deny it and claim "she escaped her cuffs and began taking her clothes off" (I have a hard time believing this claim but I won't rule it out completely) and a cop kneeled on one detained demonstrator's neck.

I'm shocked and pissed the fuck off a cop did that but frankly I'm not remotely surprised that that happened or the clashes happened. This is the same department that allowed their chief to come back to work after he supported killing protesters online. They have a history of abuse. Hopefully the protests will grow in intensity until they finally do the right thing and can Robert Shelihide. They really need to clean house at the Shelby PD.

I actually fully believe it honestly, as I see people unfortunately do just that on a weekly basis. I feel bad for the cop as funny enough, it's never the people that you would want to see naked stripping down to scream at you incoherently.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Protests between police and protesters in the township next to my town turned crazy yesterday when police showed up in riot gear and clashed with demonstrators arresting 7. Demonstrators claim they strip searched a woman on Van Duke Avenue in broad daylight although police deny it and claim "she escaped her cuffs and began taking her clothes off" (I have a hard time believing this claim but I won't rule it out completely) and a cop kneeled on one detained demonstrator's neck.

I'm shocked and pissed the fuck off a cop did that but frankly I'm not remotely surprised that that happened or the clashes happened. This is the same department that allowed their chief to come back to work after he supported killing protesters online. They have a history of abuse. Hopefully the protests will grow in intensity until they finally do the right thing and can Robert Shelihide. They really need to clean house at the Shelby PD.

I actually fully believe it honestly, as I see people unfortunately do just that on a weekly basis. I feel bad for the cop as funny enough, it's never the people that you would want to see naked stripping down to scream at you incoherently.

I dont live in Berkeley though. Is it possible? Yes. I also know that the police in my area would have noses five miles long if they were Pinocchio, so I take what they say with suspicion.

[Galloism]

Protests between police and protesters in the township next to my town turned crazy yesterday when police showed up in riot gear and clashed with demonstrators arresting 7. Demonstrators claim they strip searched a woman on Van Duke Avenue in broad daylight although police deny it and claim "she escaped her cuffs and began taking her clothes off" (I have a hard time believing this claim but I won't rule it out completely) and a cop kneeled on one detained demonstrator's neck.

I'm shocked and pissed the fuck off a cop did that but frankly I'm not remotely surprised that that happened or the clashes happened. This is the same department that allowed their chief to come back to work after he supported killing protesters online. They have a history of abuse. Hopefully the protests will grow in intensity until they finally do the right thing and can Robert Shelihide. They really need to clean house at the Shelby PD.

I actually fully believe it honestly, as I see people unfortunately do just that on a weekly basis. I feel bad for the cop as funny enough, it's never the people that you would want to see naked stripping down to scream at you incoherently.

Tbh I’ve seen some shit. I don’t know if that actually happened in this case, but it is absolutely without a doubt 100% plausible.

[Greed and Death]

I actually fully believe it honestly, as I see people unfortunately do just that on a weekly basis. I feel bad for the cop as funny enough, it's never the people that you would want to see naked stripping down to scream at you incoherently.

Tbh I’ve seen some shit. I don’t know if that actually happened in this case, but it is absolutely without a doubt 100% plausible.

It could easily be another BLM protester off their meds because the pharmacies shutdown as a precaution.

[Phoenicaea]

we have to appreciate the hypothesis put down in this forum, which try to query the legitimacy and nature of phenomenons.

yet we have to say often what seems to be the huge and plain nearest cause, namely the desperation caused by insanely corrupt “president‘s” cabinet and his shameful familism, is ignored.

[Gravlen]

we have to appreciate the hypothesis put down in this forum, which try to query the legitimacy and nature of phenomenons.

yet we have to say often what seems to be the huge and plain nearest cause, namely the desperation caused by insanely corrupt “president‘s” cabinet and his shameful familism, is ignored.

The problems with the police go deeper than the President. Much deeper.

[Telconi]

we have to appreciate the hypothesis put down in this forum, which try to query the legitimacy and nature of phenomenons.

yet we have to say often what seems to be the huge and plain nearest cause, namely the desperation caused by insanely corrupt “president‘s” cabinet and his shameful familism, is ignored.

Cops have been abusing their power since before that guy was even born, and will be doing so long after he's gone.

[Phoenicaea]

^be careful, i may get a ‘distant policies’ topic is too wide to be discussed and to get substantial measures, yet also the wider frame is important in which national decency is necessary.

if you address an issue you need to things: to measure yourself with the issue, and an environment which make it affordable. if his family stays, it will be absurd to suppose you can even debate it.

when iron-first regime (his familist america) says a theme not debatable, you will not do it.

for it will disappear. i may get faulted, yet it seems to me you run blind toward ‘not-democracy’.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

More likely the boogaloos are using the BLM protests as cover for their own agenda, and trying to escalate the trouble.

Nope Allied and the BLM groups will be arrested as right winged extremist from this moment forward.

This song comes into my head

[FutureAmerica]

The riots and looting have been destructive and won't change any police behavior. They have to force their elected politicians to make changes. Smashing and looting stores will make things worse. Look at the last 50 years, nothing has changed.

[Phoenicaea]

italian tv hasty imported the “looting” seeking-scandal word (the translation to it) in spite of more coherent, simple, past and common (say, decent) words. and it is noisy. talky-show hysteria always spread.

[Vu Den Voc]

while i originally thought defunding the police was a good idea, i kinda changed my mindset. Hear me out. I believe in more funds for the police, only when it comes to salary, pay, and benefits. However qualified immunity and the the too many protections that police have i would reduce that, as well as their access to milliarty weapons. Police are supposed to protect us not attack us. That's why police and military separate.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/lo ... g/2574729/

Unrest in Philly after police shoot knife armed man.

My feelings are mixed on this. I dont like all the wonton looting and the guy did have a knife, but I also understand that the PPD have a less than stellar history which led to built up tensions. Idk, the whole situation there is messy and I don't have a really strong opinion on the situation.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

while i originally thought defunding the police was a good idea, i kinda changed my mindset. Hear me out. I believe in more funds for the police, only when it comes to salary, pay, and benefits. However qualified immunity and the the too many protections that police have i would reduce that, as well as their access to milliarty weapons. Police are supposed to protect us not attack us. That's why police and military separate.

Conditional funding. If they do their job right, money won't be an issue.

[Kowani]

The riots and looting have been destructive and won't change any police behavior. They have to force their elected politicians to make changes. Smashing and looting stores will make things worse. Look at the last 50 years, nothing has changed.

The…last 50 years of peaceful protest?

[Ifreann]

while i originally thought defunding the police was a good idea, i kinda changed my mindset. Hear me out. I believe in more funds for the police, only when it comes to salary, pay, and benefits. However qualified immunity and the the too many protections that police have i would reduce that, as well as their access to milliarty weapons. Police are supposed to protect us not attack us. That's why police and military separate.

Why exactly should the cops be better paid?

[Vu Den Voc]

while i originally thought defunding the police was a good idea, i kinda changed my mindset. Hear me out. I believe in more funds for the police, only when it comes to salary, pay, and benefits. However qualified immunity and the the too many protections that police have i would reduce that, as well as their access to milliarty weapons. Police are supposed to protect us not attack us. That's why police and military separate.

Why exactly should the cops be better paid?

My dad once told me you get what you pay for. Maybe the reason why cops don't do their job's correctly is because the good ones aren't paid enough. I don't believe in a overall pay raise, rather the good ones rewarded better. I also believe in more community involment.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

I wanted to share a link either in the BLM riots thread or the U.S. election thread regarding Joe Biden's comments during the third debate about black parents giving their black kids "the talk", but the mods pre-emptively vetoed it because the videos are simply too non-PG-13. The link is a tweet by Coleman Hughes that reads that EVERY kid in America regardless of race should be given "the talk", meaning that just because lots of black people get shot, it doesn't mean that white people are automatically immune from getting shot or that their "privilege" will somehow protect them.

The four videos Hughes links to are of a scared, white kid getting fatally shot by a crazed, heavily militarized, power-hungry cop, an older white man getting slowly asphyxiated to death while the cops around him laugh like hyenas, another white dude getting shot multiple times for failing to raise his hands, and a white woman getting accidentally shot dead when one of the cops opened fire on a dog that was approaching him at speed.

The other point Hughes seemed to be implying was that in all four cases, there were no nationwide and worldwide protests calling for justice for these victims. There was no virtue-signaling from A-list celebrities, sportsmen and women, media pundits, Democrat politicians, and morally bankrupt tech bosses with 11-figure salaries. No songs, poems, or artwork. No "documentaries" by fake news companies such as Al Jazeera. There were certainly no riots, looting, and burning, no chants of ACAB and ALL LIVES MATTER/WHITE LIVES MATTER, and no demands for urgent police reform. The BLM protesters demanding justice for George Floyd and Jacob Blake wouldn't be protesting if the victims had been white. This is blindingly obvious. If racism isn't preventing them from demanding justice for ALL victims, then what is? Political expediency?

Such a racist double standard would be unthinkable in Hong Kong, Nigeria, and Belarus (and maybe Thailand too), where protesters demonstrating for greater democracy and an end to police brutality fight for EVERYONE and race doesn't even factor into the equation because EVERYONE is in it together. Imagine if people in HK only took to the streets if the HKPF brutalized ethnic Indians, Filipinos, and Indonesians and completely ignored the countless crimes committed against ethnic Chinese by the police. In these countries, the police and the protesters who clash with one another are almost always of the same race. Police brutality can affect anyone and everyone.

As for the U.S. police themselves, I agree that the system of policing in America is fundamentally broken and in need of some serious repairs. I disagree that it's racist.