US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[North Washington Republic]

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Your side barely winning isn't something to be proud of. As others here have said, you ought to be alarmed, and I'm sure after a few more MPD scandals, there probably isn't gonna be an MPD. After all, they've been the best advocates for why the MPD shouldn't exist. Remember when they knelt on a man's neck till he died? Or were you too concerned about the imaginary anarcho communists to notice state violence? Instead of admitting that the MPD is a literal violent threat to the lives of black and hispanic citizens of Minneapolis, you continue to offer zero, ZERO ideas for how to fix a broken and corrupt department and spend all the time shooting down other ideas without knowing what the hell those ideas even are.

And don't make me laugh with your horseshoe theory bullshit. Jesus christ, I mean could you be any more illiterate when it comes to politics and history? We've gone over this before, the right and the left are not equivalent. The right has killed far more people in America, and it's goals are far more dangerous for a person such as yourself than the left ever will be. Are you gonna keep repeating this claim again after someone once again cites those pesky FBI stats about terror in America? It wasn't the left who referred to me with racial slurs. It wasn't the left who accused people like me of being terrorists and a threat to their white American home. It wasn't the left who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburg or tried to burn a mosque or less notably burned a mosque in Michigan. Outside of the imagination land where you worry about the dreaded but rare anarchists killing everyone, the left was never equivalent to the right in terms of violence it did commit in the US or violence it wanted to commit. I could only wish I was as insulated as you are from the world, where i could believe the left was as threatening as the right. Come back when you get your facts straight.

I know, as a disabled BIPOC that meets the federal standards for extreme poverty, I should not hate the anarchists that want to burn down another precinct, but rather the cops that enforce an immoral, racist and capitalist system? Right?

And by the way, I support reform of how policing is done in America. I think MPD should have extreme vetting, to throw out Racist and violent applicants. I support substantial funding to mental health resources. I support residency incentives. I support the community working with law-enforcement and how to make neighborhood safe. But you make it that I Derek Chauvin sympathizer.

[Vassenor]

Your side barely winning isn't something to be proud of. As others here have said, you ought to be alarmed, and I'm sure after a few more MPD scandals, there probably isn't gonna be an MPD. After all, they've been the best advocates for why the MPD shouldn't exist. Remember when they knelt on a man's neck till he died? Or were you too concerned about the imaginary anarcho communists to notice state violence? Instead of admitting that the MPD is a literal violent threat to the lives of black and hispanic citizens of Minneapolis, you continue to offer zero, ZERO ideas for how to fix a broken and corrupt department and spend all the time shooting down other ideas without knowing what the hell those ideas even are.

And don't make me laugh with your horseshoe theory bullshit. Jesus christ, I mean could you be any more illiterate when it comes to politics and history? We've gone over this before, the right and the left are not equivalent. The right has killed far more people in America, and it's goals are far more dangerous for a person such as yourself than the left ever will be. Are you gonna keep repeating this claim again after someone once again cites those pesky FBI stats about terror in America? It wasn't the left who referred to me with racial slurs. It wasn't the left who accused people like me of being terrorists and a threat to their white American home. It wasn't the left who shot up a synagogue in Pittsburg or tried to burn a mosque or less notably burned a mosque in Michigan. Outside of the imagination land where you worry about the dreaded but rare anarchists killing everyone, the left was never equivalent to the right in terms of violence it did commit in the US or violence it wanted to commit. I could only wish I was as insulated as you are from the world, where i could believe the left was as threatening as the right. Come back when you get your facts straight.

I know, as a disabled BIPOC that meets the federal standards for extreme poverty, I should not hate the anarchists that want to burn down another precinct, but rather the cops that enforce an immoral, racist and capitalist system? Right?

And by the way, I support reform of how policing is done in America. I think MPD should have extreme vetting, to throw out Racist and violent applicants. I support substantial funding to mental health resources. I support residency incentives. I support the community working with law-enforcement and how to make neighborhood safe. But you make it that I Derek Chauvin sympathizer.

So you support those things but hate the idea of actually trying to do those things? Huh.

[Rusozak]

New York man hospitalized in grave condition after police set him on fire with a taser

WTF they can do that?! Was the guy covered in gasoline or something?

[The Reformed American Republic]

New York man hospitalized in grave condition after police set him on fire with a taser

WTF they can do that?! Was the guy covered in gasoline or something?

Exactly. Tasers are usually non-lethal weapons so something is unusual there.

[-Astoria-]

WTF they can do that?! Was the guy covered in gasoline or something?

Exactly. Tasers are usually non-lethal weapons so something is unusual there.

Maybe the guy had something flammable on his person at the time, & the darts happened to make contact with the material.

Electricity & combustible surfaces don't get along well, I've heard.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Exactly. Tasers are usually non-lethal weapons so something is unusual there.

Maybe the guy had something flammable on his person at the time, & the darts happened to make contact with the material.

Electricity & combustible surfaces don't get along well, I've heard.

As someone who has used electricity to start my car engine, I am very well aware. I don't know if it is police brutality though until more facts come out.

[Grinning Dragon]

WTF they can do that?! Was the guy covered in gasoline or something?

Exactly. Tasers are usually non-lethal weapons so something is unusual there.

I guess one could say that was a "hot pursuit" /ba dum tish.

[Fartsniffage]

According to Axon, the company that manufactures Tasers – the most prominent conducted electrical weapon (CEW) brand – at least 15 people have previously caught fire in what are known as Taser-initiated combustion incidents.

Several of them died in these freak events, although media reports differ on the exact number of fatalities.

What is certain is that it can and does happen.

"We've seen it happen," company spokesperson Steve Tuttle told Associated Press in 2017.

"It's happened about 15 times in 24 years … out of about 3.5 million field uses. It's a known situation."

https://www.sciencealert.com/disturbing ... le-on-fire

So it's not common but it does happen. Interesting.

[Fartsniffage]

Maybe the guy had something flammable on his person at the time, & the darts happened to make contact with the material.

Electricity & combustible surfaces don't get along well, I've heard.

As someone who has used electricity to start my car engine, I am very well aware. I don't know if it is police brutality though until more facts come out.

It's not. But it might be police stupidity. On a paywalled site I read that the guy had covered himself in hand sanitiser in the police station before they tased him.

[Korouse]

People who burn down police stations and banks are not "anarchists" - they are usurpers of a heinous project that's called AmeriKKKa.

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People who burn down police stations and banks are not "anarchists" - they are usurpers of a heinous project that's called AmeriKKKa.

Why do you say that as if it's a bad thing to be an anarchist?

[-Astoria-]

People who burn down police stations and banks are not "anarchists" - they are usurpers of a heinous project that's called AmeriKKKa.

Why do you say that as if it's a bad thing to be an anarchist?

It seems that some people associate it with a complete breakdown of order & lawlessness (and may/may not bring up ChOmMuNiStS "burning down" the US last year).

[Maricarland]

Just for reference this is what anarchism is:

Anarchism - A libertarian socialist philosophy/ideology opposed to hierarchy (a system where someone has authority or power over someone else), where any hierarchical system must continuously justify itself as something that is necessary and/or provides a social good, as well as prove that there is no less hierarchical or non-hierarchical system that can serve as an alternative. Even when something successfully and continuously proves itself necessary and that there are no better alternatives, better alternatives must be sought and attempts to develop such alternatives must be ongoing.

Since both the state and capitalism inherently means that someone will have authority/power over someone else, anarchists are opposed to the existence of both the state (not necessarily a government) and capitalism.

The word [an]archy literally means ruled by no one (just as [mon]archy means rule by one, [olig]archy means rule by a few, and so on...).

[Hemakral]

Just for reference this is what anarchism is:

Anarchism - A libertarian socialist philosophy/ideology opposed to hierarchy (a system where someone has authority or power over someone else), where any hierarchical system must continuously justify itself as something that is necessary and/or provides a social good, as well as prove that there is no less hierarchical or non-hierarchical system that can serve as an alternative. Even when something successfully and continuously proves itself necessary and that there are no better alternatives, better alternatives must be sought and attempts to develop such alternatives must be ongoing.

Since both the state and capitalism inherently means that someone will have authority/power over someone else, anarchists are opposed to the existence of both the state (not necessarily a government) and capitalism.

The word [an]archy literally means ruled by no one (just as [mon]archy means rule by one, [olig]archy means rule by a few, and so on...).

Unfortunately, the average person will often associate anarchism with Mad Max more than a classless, stateless society
Which is why I try to avoid describing my ideology as such to potential converts

[Kowani]

Don't be a good guy with a gun, kids, the cops'll kill you too

No charges will be filed against the police officer who fatally shot a good Samaritan credited with saving the lives of people in Arvada’s Olde Town Square this summer.

The Arvada officer, Kraig Brownlow, was legally justified when he shot Johnny Hurley, who was armed, in June as police responded to the shooting that also left Officer Gordon Beesley dead, 1st Judicial District Attorney Alexis King said Monday. King, speaking at a news conference outside the Jefferson County District attorney’s office in Golden, said Brownlow had “objectively reasonable grounds and did believe that he and others were in imminent danger of being killed that day.”

“The officers that day saw a mass shooter, heard many rounds of gunfire in broad daylight in the heart of Olde Town Arvada,” she said.

Brownlow is still employed by the department but is not working on patrol, Detective Dave Snelling said.

Investigators reviewed more than 3,200 photographs and 1,000 pages of reports from several police agencies that responded to the shooting, King said.

“One thing that became evident throughout our review was that John Hurley that day acted as a hero. Had he survived, we would have praised his bravery in engaging a mass shooter before anyone else was killed,” she said. “He acted to defend others and we will remember him for his selflessness.” About 1:30 p.m. on June 21, three officers assigned to the community outreach team were stationed in a small office building north of the busy Olde Town Square shopping district, King said. They were finishing lunch when they heard a series of gunshots.

Ronald Troyke, 59, who was driving a pickup truck, pulled into a parking space, jumped out with a weapon and began to run toward Beesley, according to Arvada police. Beesley was shot twice.

Brownlow, who has been employed with the department for six years, was standing with his weapon drawn near a door on the east side of the building, according to the district attorney’s office. He watched Troyke walk back toward the square while holding his rifle, but soon lost sight of him.

Brownlow heard a third round of gunfire but couldn’t see Troyke, or anyone else, firing a weapon. He then saw Hurley, holding Troyke’s rifle and a handgun, and it appeared as if Hurley was reloading the rifle or trying to fix something while holstering his pistol, the district attorney’s office said.

Brownlow saw glass and shattered windows on the patrol trucks in the parking lot. He entered a door to the building, held up his weapon and fired three rounds toward Hurley, according to the district attorney’s office.

Hurley was struck in his pelvis, according to an autopsy report cited in the district attorney’s report of the shooting.

One officer attended to Hurley, while Brownlow and another officer searched for Troyke, who was found in an adjacent alleyway.

“Working on a case like this is an incredibly humbling experience because we lost two people that day when a mass shooter brought violence to the heart of Old Town Arvada,” King said. “This left the city in mourning and knowing the impact of these losses was a profound responsibility charged to our team.”

[Vassenor]

Don't be a good guy with a gun, kids, the cops'll kill you too

No charges will be filed against the police officer who fatally shot a good Samaritan credited with saving the lives of people in Arvada’s Olde Town Square this summer.

The Arvada officer, Kraig Brownlow, was legally justified when he shot Johnny Hurley, who was armed, in June as police responded to the shooting that also left Officer Gordon Beesley dead, 1st Judicial District Attorney Alexis King said Monday. King, speaking at a news conference outside the Jefferson County District attorney’s office in Golden, said Brownlow had “objectively reasonable grounds and did believe that he and others were in imminent danger of being killed that day.”

“The officers that day saw a mass shooter, heard many rounds of gunfire in broad daylight in the heart of Olde Town Arvada,” she said.

Brownlow is still employed by the department but is not working on patrol, Detective Dave Snelling said.

Investigators reviewed more than 3,200 photographs and 1,000 pages of reports from several police agencies that responded to the shooting, King said.

“One thing that became evident throughout our review was that John Hurley that day acted as a hero. Had he survived, we would have praised his bravery in engaging a mass shooter before anyone else was killed,” she said. “He acted to defend others and we will remember him for his selflessness.” About 1:30 p.m. on June 21, three officers assigned to the community outreach team were stationed in a small office building north of the busy Olde Town Square shopping district, King said. They were finishing lunch when they heard a series of gunshots.

Ronald Troyke, 59, who was driving a pickup truck, pulled into a parking space, jumped out with a weapon and began to run toward Beesley, according to Arvada police. Beesley was shot twice.

Brownlow, who has been employed with the department for six years, was standing with his weapon drawn near a door on the east side of the building, according to the district attorney’s office. He watched Troyke walk back toward the square while holding his rifle, but soon lost sight of him.

Brownlow heard a third round of gunfire but couldn’t see Troyke, or anyone else, firing a weapon. He then saw Hurley, holding Troyke’s rifle and a handgun, and it appeared as if Hurley was reloading the rifle or trying to fix something while holstering his pistol, the district attorney’s office said.

Brownlow saw glass and shattered windows on the patrol trucks in the parking lot. He entered a door to the building, held up his weapon and fired three rounds toward Hurley, according to the district attorney’s office.

Hurley was struck in his pelvis, according to an autopsy report cited in the district attorney’s report of the shooting.

One officer attended to Hurley, while Brownlow and another officer searched for Troyke, who was found in an adjacent alleyway.

“Working on a case like this is an incredibly humbling experience because we lost two people that day when a mass shooter brought violence to the heart of Old Town Arvada,” King said. “This left the city in mourning and knowing the impact of these losses was a profound responsibility charged to our team.”

And yet people still think they can just rock up to the scene of a mass shooting and go hunting for the perp and that the police will somehow magically know they're not the shooter and are in fact here to help. At best they're going to end up eating asphalt.

[Kowani]

After Philly cops heard gunshots, they fired at the wrong car, into a crowd (where the shooters were not), and killed an 8 year old girl

The teenage boys who fired the shots and killed nobody are being charged with murder

Two teenagers who prosecutors say started a gunfight outside a Sharon Hill high school football game that led to the fatal police shooting of 8-year-old Fanta Bility in August have been charged with murder in connection with her death. Angelo “AJ” Ford, 16, and Hasein Strand, 18, face first-degree murder, aggravated-assault, and gun charges in the Aug. 27 shooting, according to Delaware County District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer. Ford remains in custody, denied bail. It was unclear if he had hired an attorney. Strand had not been arrested as of Wednesday and was being sought by U.S. Marshals, according to prosecutors.

Stollsteimer has said Fanta was struck by a bullet fired by one of three Sharon Hill police officers who were monitoring the crowd leaving Academy Park High School after the season-opening football game against Pennsbury. It remains unclear which officer fired the shot that killed her, but all three have told investigators they opened fire on a vehicle they mistakenly believed was involved in the shooting between Ford and Strand, which prosecutors said took place about a block from the stadium. Fanta was struck once in the back and pronounced dead at the scene. Three other people were wounded by the gunfire from police, including her older sister.

The legal basis for charging the two teens “is very simple,” First Assistant District Attorney Tanner Rouse said in a statement. “They were attempting to kill one another that night, and as a direct result a little girl is dead.”
An investigative grand jury will be impaneled Nov. 18 to begin deciding whether the officers will face criminal charges, according to Stollsteimer.

Fanta’s shooting has drawn national attention and local protest marches, with activists and state legislators calling for the officers to be fired and criminally prosecuted. Sharon Hill’s borough council has hired attorney Kelley Hodge to lead an internal investigation into the police department’s training policies, work that will likely begin after the grand jury completes its probe.

The Bility family’s attorney, Bruce Castor, said Wednesday that the decision to charge the two teens was “a gutsy move” but said he believes that it will be difficult to convict them of murder. Ultimately, Castor said, the family’s attention is focused elsewhere. “I want the focus to remain on the Sharon Hill police officers whose negligent and reckless behavior in reacting as they did is what killed Fanta Bility,” said Castor, who has sued the officers and the police department. “From the point of view of the Bility family, these officers killed Fanta, and they need to be held accountable for that, and those responsible for their supervision and training need to be held accountable for that.” Stollsteimer said Wednesday that charges against Ford and Strand are an “important step in [his] office’s continuing effort to seek justice for Fanta.”

“The killing of Fanta Bility was a tragedy not just for her family, but for the entire Delaware County community,” said Stollsteimer. “Today’s arrests begin the criminal process for those that initiated the deadly events of August 27th by shooting to kill at a high school football game. Still, the pursuit of justice for Fanta demands that my office continue its comprehensive review of the actions of all parties involved in the tragic chain of events.”

In charging the two teens with murder, prosecutors are relying on the legal concept of transferred intent — the idea that if a person intends to harm someone, but inadvertently harms someone else instead, that is a crime, according to Rouse. “We recognize that both the facts and the law in this case are complicated, and we know that our work is not done, which is why the investigation into the Officers’ actions and the appropriateness of their response is still very much ongoing,” he said in the statement. Witnesses told police Ford and Strand were on opposite sides of a conflict between two groups of teenagers during the football game, according to the affidavit of probable cause for their arrests.

It was unclear what the argument was about, but it apparently escalated as the groups were walking down a ramp to leave the stadium, the affidavit said. As the groups left, the document said, Ford lifted up his shirt to display a handgun and threatened Strand and his friends. Strand then went to a car parked nearby and retrieved a 9mm handgun, according to the affidavit. He walked back toward Ford, who shot at him as they stood on the 900 block of Coates Street, the document said. Strand returned fire, and in the hail of bullets, an unidentified victim was hit in his side, according to police. Strand allegedly fired in the direction of the three Sharon Hill police officers monitoring the crowd about 140 feet away from the gunfight. The officers returned fire, police said, striking a vehicle that had been heading down Coates Street toward them. Their bullets struck the vehicle, and some went beyond it, striking Fanta, her older sister, and two other people walking near them as they left the stadium, authorities said.The car, police later learned, had not been involved in the earlier shooting. Castor, who is also representing the car’s occupants, has said they were recent alumni of Academy Park who were there to watch the football game.

[Diahon]

didn't know qualified immunity passed over crimes committed to other parties like fucking hot potatoes

[Page]

Just for reference this is what anarchism is:

Anarchism - A libertarian socialist philosophy/ideology opposed to hierarchy (a system where someone has authority or power over someone else), where any hierarchical system must continuously justify itself as something that is necessary and/or provides a social good, as well as prove that there is no less hierarchical or non-hierarchical system that can serve as an alternative. Even when something successfully and continuously proves itself necessary and that there are no better alternatives, better alternatives must be sought and attempts to develop such alternatives must be ongoing.

Since both the state and capitalism inherently means that someone will have authority/power over someone else, anarchists are opposed to the existence of both the state (not necessarily a government) and capitalism.

The word [an]archy literally means ruled by no one (just as [mon]archy means rule by one, [olig]archy means rule by a few, and so on...).

Unfortunately, the average person will often associate anarchism with Mad Max more than a classless, stateless society
Which is why I try to avoid describing my ideology as such to potential converts

When I do explain what it means that I'm an anarchist, I usually put the revolutionary side on the back burner and first explain the philosophical side, that I recognize the state's power but that I don't consider it legitimate.

Unfortunately, the whole bottom left of the political compass is difficult to speak of to non-polifical types. I definitely think libertarian socialist is a more normie friendly term than anarchist, but if they're American, when they hear libertarian they think ultra-capitalist. And if they've been poisoned by the 21st red scare, I'll say left libertarian instead but the same confusion applies.

[American Legionaries]

Just for reference this is what anarchism is:

Anarchism - A libertarian socialist philosophy/ideology opposed to hierarchy (a system where someone has authority or power over someone else), where any hierarchical system must continuously justify itself as something that is necessary and/or provides a social good, as well as prove that there is no less hierarchical or non-hierarchical system that can serve as an alternative. Even when something successfully and continuously proves itself necessary and that there are no better alternatives, better alternatives must be sought and attempts to develop such alternatives must be ongoing.

Since both the state and capitalism inherently means that someone will have authority/power over someone else, anarchists are opposed to the existence of both the state (not necessarily a government) and capitalism.

The word [an]archy literally means ruled by no one (just as [mon]archy means rule by one, [olig]archy means rule by a few, and so on...).

Unfortunately, the average person will often associate anarchism with Mad Max more than a classless, stateless society
Which is why I try to avoid describing my ideology as such to potential converts

In fairness, mad max is plausible.

didn't know qualified immunity passed over crimes committed to other parties like fucking hot potatoes

Zone of danger laws, it doesn't have to do with qualified immunity.

[Diahon]

i was being sarcastic, mind

[Vellocatus]

People who burn down police stations and banks are not "anarchists" - they are usurpers of a heinous project that's called AmeriKKKa.

Why do you say that as if it's a bad thing to be an anarchist?

Because it is.

[Vassenor]

Why do you say that as if it's a bad thing to be an anarchist?

Because it is.

But why though

[Vellocatus]

Because it is.

But why though

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[The V I C]

But why though

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The first point in that article about markets already tells me what I need to know about the poster. "You need markets for societies to interact" and yet in the americas for thousands of years, the gift economy worked just fine.