US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Ifreann]

Well that's certainly the dumbest take I've heard on police work in a while.

You clearly haven't paid attention to some other posters here.

I saw one prominent anti-cop poster say that cops should try to use non-lethal force on a man who was ramming them with a car whilst firing a machine-pistol at them.

That's not really what anyone said, though. San Lumen was saying that the police should use a non-lethal option if it exists. Which you seemed to disagree with, saying that if someone shoots at the police then that person should expect to die, which would suggest that the police should use lethal force even when a situation can be resolved non-lethally. It has happened plenty of times that someone has shot at police but ultimately been taken alive, sometimes even been talked into surrendering.

This was also around the time that you were getting very upset at me for suggesting that the response to being shot at should be to take cover, which I still think is very funny. I'm confident that if it had been presented to you by someone else that you would have easily understood that taking cover really is the most sensible thing to do first when one is being shot at. But because it was me saying it, an anti-cop lefty, you apparently couldn't let yourself accept the simple common sense of my post. You had to try and invent a reason that it's bad to take cover.

[Austreylia]

But because it was me saying it

If someone else had said what you said, they probably wouldn't have posted it with the typical smugness that each of your posts are drenched in.

[Ifreann]

There is more right wing media that just Fox News. Do you think that Ben Shapiro is a communist? Or that his show doesn't count as "media"?

I wouldn't say that Ben Shapiro counts as an outlet of the mass media.

Fox News is the only prominent right-wing media outlet.

And then the left has pretty much every other news outlet, facebook, twitter, reddit, snapchat and so on.

I don't know if I'd call Ben Shapiro a mass media outlet, but the content he makes is both "right wing" and "media". His content is also very popular on Facebook. Shapiro's Daily Wire gets as much engagement(likes, shares, comments) on Facebook as the Washington Post or New York Times, despite posting only a fraction of the number of articles as either of them. When CNN posts something on Facebook, they'd average around 18,000 engagements. The Daily Wire averages 53,000. Does that make Ben Shapiro a liberal? Should I expect derisive comments about it being the Democrat Wire, echoing "Clinton News Network"?

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But because it was me saying it

If someone else had said what you said, they probably wouldn't have posted it with the typical smugness that each of your posts are drenched in.

If you disagree with me because I'm smug and not because I'm wrong then I'm afraid you're only making me more smug.

[Austreylia]

Does that make Ben Shapiro a liberal?

Ben Shapiro means as much to me as a liberal does.

I despise him.

[Virtue State]

Does that make Ben Shapiro a liberal?

Ben Shapiro means as much to me as a liberal does.

I despise him.

But he is right-wing, massive, and a media person. He is an outlet of mass media. Or atleast his Daily Wire is.

[Ifreann]

Does that make Ben Shapiro a liberal?

Ben Shapiro means as much to me as a liberal does.

I despise him.

Okay? I don't think anyone cares if you like the dude or not, that's not what we're talking about. You're trying to designate Facebook as a liberal news outlet, but right wing content is enormously popular on Facebook.

[Picairn]

I don't deem any of those "mass media".

And you would be wrong. Post-election ratings of Newsmax skyrocketed, from TV to social media. It is currently available in over 50 million TV households.

So...? The same thing occurs with leftists commenting on right-wingers posts. The only difference is that facebook promotes the leftist figureheads and talking points.

Not true. A video posted on Facebook about Trump's election lies generated 16.5 million views and was shared 350,000 times. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... tion-media

In addition,

Over the next week, there were nearly 150,000 mentions of wagons, suitcases or coolers of votes in broadcast scripts, blogs and on public Facebook, Twitter or Instagram accounts, according to an analysis that media intelligence firm Zignal Labs conducted for the AP.

The effect of social media in spreading election lies is well-documented. Read it.

Again; so...? Leftists do the same under the posts of right-wingers. Not to mention twitters trend of using spoilers to signal things that they deem misinformation, which doesn't ever happen to leftists, no matter how transcendent of reality their claims or talking points are.

Do you have actual proof of this? The labels are specifically used for the election and COVID, and incidentally right-wing news media has spouted a far larger amount of related lies and falsehoods than mainstream media.

Bro, have you heard of r/publicfreakouts, r/murderedbywords, r/makesmesmile, r/pics, r/news and r/politics?

All of which are usually in pole position in the popular section.

Again, the fact that those conservative and libertarian spaces exist with fairly significant numbers shatters your narrative of "ebil left dominating social media" entirely.

[The Reformed American Republic]

Ben Shapiro means as much to me as a liberal does.

I despise him.

But he is right-wing, massive, and a media person. He is an outlet of mass media. Or atleast his Daily Wire is.

Different type of conservative than Austreylia is.

[Virtue State]

But he is right-wing, massive, and a media person. He is an outlet of mass media. Or atleast his Daily Wire is.

Different type of conservative than Austreylia is.

I don't think that matters in the context of his claim about mass media.

[Kowani]

Maine legislature votes to close its only youth prison. Bill heads to the governors' desk (81-57-13)

[Kowani]

So, if anyone remembers when NYPD officers lied about being poisoned at a Shake Shack...well now they're being sued by the manager

[Grinning Dragon]

Court Rulings Could Chill Video Recording Of Police

[Ifreann]

So, if anyone remembers when NYPD officers lied about being poisoned at a Shake Shack...well now they're being sued by the manager

Hah, get wrecked.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... utType=amp

The New York Department of Ultraviolence and Crime, known by some as the NYPD, decided it was fun to fuck with fast food workers.

[Kowani]

I don't normally do "opinion" pieces. But I felt this onewas instructive on the way the media's been promoting the tough-on-crime ideal

“I feel like I was played for a fool,” says Harry Mulholland. “Honestly. I felt a little violated.”
Mulholland is a genuine hero. Earlier this year, he witnessed three assailants attack and attempt to carjack a 75-year-old woman in the parking lot of a San Francisco Safeway. Mulholland intervened, punching out the back window of the car to scare off the attackers, who then fled the scene. One of them, a 16-year-old girl, was later arrested. The others have yet to be identified.
Mulholland says the “violation” came when Dion Lim, a reporter with local ABC affiliate KGO-TV, contacted him. Mulholland says she told him that according to “multiple high-level sources,” the office of San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin had dropped the charges against the juvenile assailant.
“I didn’t really want to comment. But the reporter called me out of the blue and then kept pushing me to say something,” Mulholland says. He finally relented, telling Lim, “I believe in restorative justice and I understand Chesa has a model, but … his way of going about it is not working.” (Lim did not reply to requests for comment.)
Lim, who has written multiple articles critical of Boudin, also reached out to the victim’s son over text messaging. In those texts, which the victim shared with me, Lim was sharply critical of Boudin’s office. At one point, for example, she lamented other “heinous” cases in which she wrote that charges were dropped for “trivial reasons” — unusually pointed language for a reporter. Like Mulholland, the victim says Lim persisted until she reluctantly provided a quote criticizing the district attorney. (Given that all but one of her attackers have yet to be apprehended, the victim has asked that her name not be published.)
Lim’s resulting article went viral, especially after right-wing agitator Andy Ngô amplified it on Twitter. The story resonated with Boudin’s critics, and with critics of the reformist prosecutor movement more generally. For them, it seemed to be a manifestation of everything wrong with “restorative justice.”
The problem is that Lim was wrong. The charges against the assailant were never dropped. In California, as in most states, juvenile cases are generally sealed, so state law prevents the DA’s office from discussing the case with the public. But in phone interviews, both the victim and Mulholland tell me they were informed by Boudin’s office that Lim’s story is inaccurate, that the juvenile not only still faces charges but that she also had a court date last week.
Boudin is a former public defender who was elected in 2019 as part of a surge of reformist prosecutors into DA’s offices in recent years. He’s also among the more radical of the crop. Boudin’s parents were part of the Weather Underground (his father is still in prison for a fatal armored truck robbery in 1981), and he comes from a long lineage of leftist activism. Boudin himself served as an interpreter in the presidential palace of former Venezuelan leader Hugo Chávez.
Any wave inevitably produces backlash, and the recent success of progressive prosecutors is no exception. Law-and-order groups such as the Heritage Foundation, which at times have fashionably flirted with criminal justice reform, now run projects firmly opposed to prosecutorial reform around the country.
Boudin himself has already been targeted by a recall campaign, funded by several Silicon Valley financiers. His critics claim crime has soared since he took office, and they blame Boudin’s policies such as abolishing cash bail, compassionate release during the covid-19 pandemic and his refusal to seek sentencing enhancements.
Yet the case against Boudin’s record plays out a bit like Lim’s story: It’s compelling at first blush, but it ultimately collapses with some scrutiny. It’s true, for example, that San Francisco saw a considerable increase in car thefts and home burglaries last year. But violent crime in the city was down in 2020. Overall crime was down 25 percent from 2019. And all major categories of crime remained well below their five-year average. Murders did increase in 2020, but only by 14 percent (from 41 to 47) from a 56-year low in 2019. By comparison, murders nationwide were up about 25 percent in 2020. So far in 2021, murders in San Francisco are down 20 percent from last year.
Another criticism of Boudin is that his office failed to bring enough cases to trial last year. But the pandemic closed courtrooms across the country, including in San Francisco. Most jurisdictions in the United States saw only a fraction of the trials they typically hold each year. Boudin’s charging rates for both violent and property crimes are similar to that of his predecessor, according to Mission Local. And as Boudin points out, San Francisco police made arrests in only about 10 percent of burglaries last year. A DA can’t file charges if the police don’t make arrests.
Boudin’s critics have also amplified anecdotes about suspects released because of Boudin’s policies who went on to commit other crimes. Some of those anecdotes have turned out to be inaccurate or lacking important context. A few are indeed legitimately awful stories, and Boudin should answer for them. But in large cities such as San Francisco, where large numbers of people churn through the courts, such incidents have been seen long before reform DAs entered office.
Ultimately, the case against Boudin rests on two assumptions: that crime in the city has exploded and that Boudin isn’t charging people at the rate his predecessors did. And neither of those assumptions is true. There’s also little evidence that progressive policies such as ending cash bail or refusing to charge low-level offenses have anything to do with the spike in violence nationwide. The 2020 figures are expected to show a homicide surge coast to coast, in rural areas and urban areas, in jurisdictions with both reform-minded radicals and law-and-order stalwarts in the DA’s chair.
It’s also worth noting that the people most affected by these policies seem to be okay with them. Last month, despite media speculation that the city’s escalating murder rate would hurt him politically, Philadelphia voters reelected reformist DA Larry Krasner last month by nearly a 2-to-1 margin. The gap was even higher in high-crime areas. Chicago’s top prosecutor Kim Foxx was also reelected in November, as was St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner. Both faced elevated homicide rates and vocal opposition from police unions.
Mulholland says he was skeptical of Boudin’s policies before all of this, and he’s still skeptical now. But he says he’s also more skeptical of Boudin’s critics now, and he regrets commenting for Lim’s article. The victim, a British travel agent who has lived in the United States for more than 50 years, says she was a Boudin supporter before the attack, and she remains one now. “I’m not overly political, but the little I’ve read about him I’ve liked,” she says. “I always thought the criminal system here is unjust. I never liked the idea of locking kids up and throwing away the key.”
As for what should happen to her assailant, she says: “I was upset when the reporter told me the charges had been dropped because I had hoped the girl could be persuaded to give up the others. She wasn’t the ringleader. But other than that, I hope she gets counseling and community service. A lot of these kids have been damaged, hurt by the system. I don’t know the answer. I just hope she gets the help she needs.”

[Alcala-Cordel]

Bro, have you heard of r/publicfreakouts, r/murderedbywords, r/makesmesmile, r/pics, r/news and r/politics?

All of which are usually in pole position in the popular section.

Reddit's kinda even in terms of political ideology by membership, but its members can't stop complaining about how they're the true oppressed group on that cesspit of a website.

[Austreylia]

Reddit's kinda even in terms of political ideology by membership, but its members can't stop complaining about how they're the true oppressed group on that cesspit of a website.

I refuse to ever use the word "oppressed" when it comes to American politics.

But, that aside, I'd say that leftism is far more heavily promoted on reddit, seeing as how most non-politically themed subreddits have been hijacked by leftists. Every supposedly unbiased political subreddit has also been hijacked by leftists, and they all routinely make the front page of the website.

[Ifreann]

Reddit's kinda even in terms of political ideology by membership, but its members can't stop complaining about how they're the true oppressed group on that cesspit of a website.

I refuse to ever use the word "oppressed" when it comes to American politics.

But, that aside, I'd say that leftism is far more heavily promoted on reddit, seeing as how most non-politically themed subreddits have been hijacked by leftists. Every supposedly unbiased political subreddit has also been hijacked by leftists, and they all routinely make the front page of the website.

I guess leftists are just good at being fun online.

[Vassenor]

Reddit's kinda even in terms of political ideology by membership, but its members can't stop complaining about how they're the true oppressed group on that cesspit of a website.

I refuse to ever use the word "oppressed" when it comes to American politics.

But, that aside, I'd say that leftism is far more heavily promoted on reddit, seeing as how most non-politically themed subreddits have been hijacked by leftists. Every supposedly unbiased political subreddit has also been hijacked by leftists, and they all routinely make the front page of the website.

Ironic, considering how desperate you seem to be to be portrayed as the oppressed party.

[Austreylia]

I guess leftists are just good at being fun online.

No, they're just supported by every single major social media outlet.

Ironic, considering how desperate you seem to be to be portrayed as the oppressed party.

Ironic, considering you've been supporting people who justify violent disorder by claiming to be victims of something that they aren't.

[Ifreann]

I guess leftists are just good at being fun online.

No, they're just supported by every single major social media outlet.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, since I don't use Reddit, but what possible support could leftists be getting to take over subreddits unrelated to politics? Like, if I started posting on some cute animal pictures subreddit, what do you think would happen that would lead to me, a leftist, taking the place over? What would happen to make my posts more popular than posts from a right winger? Isn't it more likely that if my cute animal picture posts are really popular that they're just good pictures?

[Austreylia]

No, they're just supported by every single major social media outlet.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, since I don't use Reddit, but what possible support could leftists be getting to take over subreddits unrelated to politics? Like, if I started posting on some cute animal pictures subreddit, what do you think would happen that would lead to me, a leftist, taking the place over? What would happen to make my posts more popular than posts from a right winger? Isn't it more likely that if my cute animal picture posts are really popular that they're just good pictures?

r/publicfreakout, for example, was once a place to see videos of morons losing their mind over silly things; road rage, restaurant disputes and so on.

But last year, it became a place where every single submission was "evil police officer does [X]", and I'm pretty sure the moderators banned criticism of BLM. It got brigaded and taken over by leftists.

Same with r/pics. It used to be for people to post images of whatever, but now, there's a few stock images that make the rounds:

1)"just got my vaccine! (fuck you anti-vax mom!)"
2)Mixed race couple getting married
3)Biden looking photogenic (formerly Trump looking silly)
4)Foreigner gaining citizenship
5)Gay couple marrying (honorable mention if they refer to themselves as "proud boys")

Leftists brigade these subreddits and just transform them, which is kind of what ruined the website.

[Ifreann]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, since I don't use Reddit, but what possible support could leftists be getting to take over subreddits unrelated to politics? Like, if I started posting on some cute animal pictures subreddit, what do you think would happen that would lead to me, a leftist, taking the place over? What would happen to make my posts more popular than posts from a right winger? Isn't it more likely that if my cute animal picture posts are really popular that they're just good pictures?

r/publicfreakout, for example, was once a place to see videos of morons losing their mind over silly things; road rage, restaurant disputes and so on.

But last year, it became a place where every single submission was "evil police officer does [X]", and I'm pretty sure the moderators banned criticism of BLM. It got brigaded and taken over by leftists.

Same with r/pics. It used to be for people to post images of whatever, but now, there's a few stock images that make the rounds:

1)"just got my vaccine! (fuck you anti-vax mom!)"
2)Mixed race couple getting married
3)Biden looking photogenic (formerly Trump looking silly)
4)Foreigner gaining citizenship
5)Gay couple marrying (honorable mention if they refer to themselves as "proud boys")

Leftists brigade these subreddits and just transform them, which is kind of what ruined the website.

That doesn't sound like leftists are getting any support from the platform, they're just sharing content that they like and it's proving popular.

[Austreylia]

That doesn't sound like leftists are getting any support from the platform, they're just sharing content that they like and it's proving popular.

They're being placed at the front page, and all the subreddits I've mentioned are moderated by the same small group of people.

[Dogmeat]

No, they're just supported by every single major social media outlet.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, since I don't use Reddit, but what possible support could leftists be getting to take over subreddits unrelated to politics? Like, if I started posting on some cute animal pictures subreddit, what do you think would happen that would lead to me, a leftist, taking the place over? What would happen to make my posts more popular than posts from a right winger? Isn't it more likely that if my cute animal picture posts are really popular that they're just good pictures?

Well you see, the very idea of animals not choking to death on plastic, whilst smothered in crude oil, is inherently left-wing.