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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:46 am

Salus Maior wrote:
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Are you ignorant of the massacres committed by US federal forces during this country's history?


It's about as bad as what the states themselves did.


But state and local police don't regulate big business.
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Postby Seangoli » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:57 am

Kowani wrote:Oklahoma inmates to begin receiving computer tablets that include free content such as prison policies, access to a law library, books, as well as educational and self-help materials

Inmates at an Oklahoma prison began receiving special computer tablets this week, as part of a Department of Corrections plan to provide secure tablets to everyone incarcerated in state prisons.

The devices, specially designed by prisons communications company Securus Technologies, will include free content such as prison policies, access to a law library, some books and educational and self-help materials. Inmates can also pay to receive music, movies, games and television programs, as well as to send and receive messages, including video messages, to and from their families. The tablets do not have unrestricted access to the internet. Usually, inmates wanting to receive educational or vocational training must be escorted to a classroom or program location. But inmates can now receive those services directly on the tablet, said Mike Carpenter, chief of technical services and operations at the Corrections Department.

“The education and programming, that’s huge for us,” Carpenter said.

On Tuesday, North Fork Correctional Center inmate Byron Robinson, who has been incarcerated since 2005 — the same year YouTube was founded — said the tablet was totally new to him.

“I’ve never even touched one of these things until today,” Robinson said. “It’s mindboggling, really, how much this thing can do.”

Similar programs allowing inmates to access secure tablets have been rolled out in other states, including Arizona, Connecticut and Utah, but Oklahoma is one of the first in the nation to combine the company’s latest tablet and operating system.

In Pinal County, Arizona, officials started distributing tablets to inmates at the state’s third-largest jail in 2019, said Matt Hedrick, deputy chief of the detention center.

“It has been phenomenal,” Hedrick said.

Besides helping to keep inmates pacified, Hedrick said the jail scans incoming letters and photographs to an inmate’s tablet, reducing the chance for contraband to come into the facility and allowing inmates to have access to more personal photographs.

“Before you had rules on how many photos they could have in their cell, how many magazines,” he said. “Now that doesn’t happen. They can have as many as they want.” There are some drawbacks to providing inmates with tablets. According to a 2019 report from the Prison Policy Initiative, the “free” tablets frequently charge users above-market prices for services. Oklahoma’s contract with the company allows a 25-cent charge for emails and 75 cents for outbound video messages. Music can cost up to $1.99 per song or $14.99 per album, while the cost for one television episode can range from $1.70 to $2.28.

Some 21,000 inmates are currently incarcerated by the state, making the plan potentially very lucrative for Securus.

The Department of Corrections also benefits financially from the arrangement, receiving $3.5 million annually from the communications company for the first five years of the contract, and $3.75 million for the next five years.

“Our recent analysis of these contracts suggests that they actually put the interests of incarcerated people last, prioritizing cost savings and the provider’s bottom line,” the report said.

Sierra Kiplinger, who was released from prison in April, said that while inmates are excited about the new technology, she expressed concern about how much inmates have to pay to utilize the services.

"The phone calls for Securus are ridiculously high, and so I’m assuming if the phone calls are high, this is going to be even higher," she said.

State Rep. Justin Humphrey, chairman of the House Criminal Justice and Corrections Committee, said that while he supports the program, he believes public perception could be a problem.

"I don’t think the public is going to like it when they see we’re giving all these inmates tablets and they say, ‘My kid can’t get a tablet at school,'" Humphrey said.


This is a good thing from all fronts that people are going to baulk at because prisoners don't deserve nice things and all that.

Ignoring the numerous benefits including:

1. Reducing the ability to smuggle drugs.
2. Reducing the need to escort people back and forth, which is the most dangerous point for guards.
3. Helps with reformation.
4. Helps pacify prisoners.
5. Reduces the need to inspect literally everything that comes into the prison.
6. Helps keeps tabs on prisoners while also limiting their ability to communicate for untoward activities.

It's a smart move all around, and people will bemoan it for the feels.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:01 am

Salus Maior wrote:
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Are you ignorant of the massacres committed by US federal forces during this country's history?


It's about as bad as what the states themselves did.


I don't think a state government has ever done anything on the level of operating CIA torture blacksites and massacring kids at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:02 am

Vassenor wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
It's about as bad as what the states themselves did.


But state and local police don't regulate big business.


Because without much lobbying is spent by big business at the federal level, we can always be sure to trust the feds right. They always stand up to big business.
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Postby Lanoraie II » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:04 am

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None of you seem to grasp the realization that police being "militarized" is almost entirely for their own safety. America is a shithole and even paramedics are starting to have to wear bulletproof vests and carry handguns because of the clownery that happens on these streets. When people say "militarized", they're almost always speaking from an uninformed, unwanted, and unneeded point of view that is simply "wahhh, popo have big guns and big vests! that's not fair!" But alas, it is fair, because criminals have just as much if not even more.

how do people do this
i don't get it
in the post you are responding to, there is evidence that militarization does not actually increase police safety
and yet you're responding to it with the talking point being explicitly debunked
it's beyond illogical


>evidence
Uhh, where, buddy?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:08 am

Bear Stearns wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
It's about as bad as what the states themselves did.


I don't think a state government has ever done anything on the level of operating CIA torture blacksites and massacring kids at Ruby Ridge and Waco.


Reminder that the only reason no-one was brought up on charges for Ruby Ridge was because the state decided not to prosecute after the attempted federal prosecution was killed by the Supremacy Clause.

Also apparently one dead kid is a massacre now?
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:58 am

Lanoraie II wrote:
Kowani wrote:how do people do this
i don't get it
in the post you are responding to, there is evidence that militarization does not actually increase police safety
and yet you're responding to it with the talking point being explicitly debunked
it's beyond illogical


>evidence
Uhh, where, buddy?

You might have missed the link to the paper called Militarization fails to enhance police safety or reduce crime but may harm police reputation, in the middle of the post.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 10, 2021 12:56 pm

Three Columbus Police officers charged over abuses during the George Floyd protests

Three Columbus, Ohio, police officers have been criminally charged for how they responded to protests over the murder of George Floyd in May 2020, the New York Times reports. The three officers in question, Traci Shaw, Holly Kanode and Phillip Walls, are all charged with dereliction of duty. But Shaw and Walls are also accused of assault—pepper-spraying people without provocation—while Kanode is charged with falsification after body-camera footage was said to disprove her claim about a protester attacking a fellow officer. An attorney representing the three cops indicated they planned to fight the charges, vowing, “We’re going to fight this tooth and nail at trial.”
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Jun 10, 2021 1:02 pm

Kowani wrote:Three Columbus Police officers charged over abuses during the George Floyd protests

Three Columbus, Ohio, police officers have been criminally charged for how they responded to protests over the murder of George Floyd in May 2020, the New York Times reports. The three officers in question, Traci Shaw, Holly Kanode and Phillip Walls, are all charged with dereliction of duty. But Shaw and Walls are also accused of assault—pepper-spraying people without provocation—while Kanode is charged with falsification after body-camera footage was said to disprove her claim about a protester attacking a fellow officer. An attorney representing the three cops indicated they planned to fight the charges, vowing, “We’re going to fight this tooth and nail at trial.”

That's the job of the attorney. That said I hope we see an uptick in officers being forced to take responsibility for their actions.
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Postby Postauthoritarian America » Thu Jun 10, 2021 5:05 pm

Winston Smith's date claims she never saw a gun before he was shot to death in a US Marshals' task force raid. He may have been reaching for a phone. Meanwhile, the local sheriff's deputies implicated in the killing won't be identified -- because they were allegedly working undercover. So undercover cops tagging along with marshals = license to kill?

Oh and wouldn't turning up on the law enforcement side of a police raid kinda blow your cover? :?:
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:19 pm

New Jersey Supreme Court rules that cops can't hide past misconduct

The New Jersey Supreme Court has partially approved a groundbreaking plan to identify the “many police officers disciplined for misconduct” like drinking on the job, abusing family members, or giving false testimony.

The Monday ruling will allow the state’s attorney general to publicly release the names of officers who were found guilty of their misconduct, NJ.com reports.

Advocates say this is a “significant victory” — considering the unanimous 60-page ruling also determines that any individual disciplined recently will be named, according to NorthJersey.com To that end, officers who were disciplined prior to last year can go to a judge, seeking to block the public disclosure.

However, the most controversial part of the decision is still left unresolved: a demand that the state police reveal the names of 20 years’ worth of troopers subject to major discipline.

This ruling, no doubt speaking to the heart of long-demanded police reforms with potential lasting ramifications, stems from directives directly from New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal, who last June reversed a decades-long policy that protects the identities of officers subjected to internal discipline.

At the time, the attorney general said he was ending the practice of “protecting the few to the detriment of the many,” NorthJersey.com details.

Police union attorneys argued against Grewal’s move, saying he did not have the power to make “such sweeping changes.” The Attorney General’s Office said they did, and that it was time for a change.

The court sweepingly agreed with Grewal.

We find that the Attorney General had the authority to issue the Directives,” said Chief Justice Stuart Rabner, who wrote the decision for the unanimous court.

“They are designed to enhance public trust and confidence in law enforcement, to deter misconduct, to improve transparency and accountability in the disciplinary process, and to identify repeat offenders who may try to move from one sensitive position to another,” Rabner continued, as quoted by NorthJersey.com. “In short, the Directives are consistent with legislative policies and rest on a reasonable basis.”

“The Attorney General had the right to change course and direct that details of future serious disciplinary matters — including the names of the officers disciplined — will be revealed to the public,” Chief Justice Stuart Rabner wrote, as quoted by NJ.com. As advocates are accepting this latest ruling as a victory, the controversy over releasing the names of law enforcement subject to major discipline over the last two decades is still undecided.

Police union attorneys have argued “vehemently” against the idea, noting that the officers whose names Grewal wants to disclose to the public were all “specifically promised that would never happen,” according to NorthJersey.com.

The court acknowledged the weight of the situation, demanding the attention of a trial judge to take up the matter.

Pat Colligan, head of the New Jersey State Policemen’s Benevolent Association, called the overall ruling “disappointing,” according to NorthJersey.com

“To go back 20 years and say now the rules have changed — it’s akin to going back and changing the speed limit on a ticket you got,” Colligan said.

Wayne Blanchard, president of the New Jersey State Troopers Fraternal Association, generally agrees, but says he and his organization of 1,700 rank-and-file members believe in transparency going forward for certain types of offenses.

To that end, he expressed to NorthJersey.com that he questions why Grewal wants to make incidents that happened decades ago public now.

“We think it was agenda-based, and we still scratch our heads at what legitimate purpose it really serves,” Blanchard said. “But we’re certainly pleased to see the troopers in the 20-year lookback have some recourse … and we’re certainly still willing to sit down with the attorney general to negotiate that out. I just don’t see him as a willing party to be part of reasonable reform.”

Union attorneys also worried about retribution against the officers, nodding to our country’s current climate surrounding law enforcement and officer misconduct.

“It places a target on their back,” said Kevin Jarvis, an attorney representing the New Jersey Superior Officers Law Enforcement Association, in an interview with NorthJersey.com.

Previously, departments released an annual list of actions that required major discipline — but that list did not identify the officers by name.
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Postby Austreylia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:35 am

Vassenor wrote:Also apparently one dead kid is a massacre now?

I don't know whether it's disgusting or hilarious to watch you ardently support feds until they start arresting violent rioters.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:59 am

Austreylia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Also apparently one dead kid is a massacre now?

I don't know whether it's disgusting or hilarious to watch you ardently support feds until they start arresting violent rioters.


I don't know whether it's disgusting or hilarious to watch you completely miss the point of an argument in favour of what you want it to be.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:18 am

Postauthoritarian America wrote:Winston Smith's date claims she never saw a gun before he was shot to death in a US Marshals' task force raid. He may have been reaching for a phone. Meanwhile, the local sheriff's deputies implicated in the killing won't be identified -- because they were allegedly working undercover. So undercover cops tagging along with marshals = license to kill?

Oh and wouldn't turning up on the law enforcement side of a police raid kinda blow your cover? :?:


This US Marshall's tasks force sounds like a dangerous band of killers.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:54 am

Vassenor wrote:
Austreylia wrote:I don't know whether it's disgusting or hilarious to watch you ardently support feds until they start arresting violent rioters.


I don't know whether it's disgusting or hilarious to watch you completely miss the point of an argument in favour of what you want it to be.


Oh sweet irony. :lol:

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri Jun 11, 2021 6:28 am

Vassenor wrote:
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I don't think a state government has ever done anything on the level of operating CIA torture blacksites and massacring kids at Ruby Ridge and Waco.


Reminder that the only reason no-one was brought up on charges for Ruby Ridge was because the state decided not to prosecute after the attempted federal prosecution was killed by the Supremacy Clause.

Also apparently one dead kid is a massacre now?


Try 20-ish? They literally burned down a building full of people at Waco for no reason.
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Postby Austreylia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:41 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:Try 20-ish? They literally burned down a building full of people at Waco for no reason.

Vassenor will only find issue with their killing if you tell a lie, by saying that the children were responsible for a violent riot.

But otherwise, their mere association with a pro-2A christian group justifies their murders, in Vassenors eyes.
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Austreylia wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Try 20-ish? They literally burned down a building full of people at Waco for no reason.

Vassenor will only find issue with their killing if you tell a lie, by saying that the children were responsible for a violent riot.

But otherwise, their mere association with a pro-2A christian group justifies their murders, in Vassenors eyes.


I do find it ironic.

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Postby Senkaku » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:49 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Reminder that the only reason no-one was brought up on charges for Ruby Ridge was because the state decided not to prosecute after the attempted federal prosecution was killed by the Supremacy Clause.

Also apparently one dead kid is a massacre now?


Try 20-ish? They literally burned down a building full of people at Waco for no reason.

Yes, incendiary tear gas canisters both poured and ignited gasoline at three separate internal points of the compound lol
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:52 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Reminder that the only reason no-one was brought up on charges for Ruby Ridge was because the state decided not to prosecute after the attempted federal prosecution was killed by the Supremacy Clause.

Also apparently one dead kid is a massacre now?


Try 20-ish? They literally burned down a building full of people at Waco for no reason.


I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about Ruby Ridge there given how I only mentioned Ruby Ridge and not Waco. But go off I guess.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:52 pm

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Try 20-ish? They literally burned down a building full of people at Waco for no reason.

Yes, incendiary tear gas canisters both poured and ignited gasoline at three separate internal points of the compound lol


More like shooting a compound full of incendiary tear gas will probably set it on fire, and the government isn't gonna take responsibility for killing kids, so they'll make up a barely believably story about "actually the dravidians coincidentally killed themselves."
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Austreylia wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:Try 20-ish? They literally burned down a building full of people at Waco for no reason.

Vassenor will only find issue with their killing if you tell a lie, by saying that the children were responsible for a violent riot.

But otherwise, their mere association with a pro-2A christian group justifies their murders, in Vassenors eyes.


You really hate actually reading my posts rather than just pretending I said what you wanted me to have said, don't you?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:01 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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Try 20-ish? They literally burned down a building full of people at Waco for no reason.

Yes, incendiary tear gas canisters both poured and ignited gasoline at three separate internal points of the compound lol


Hottest of takes: both sides contributed to the fire because the cultists had a death wish because muh apocalypse and the Feds didn't help because they still haven't gotten the memo that tear gas almost always starts fires inside buildings.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:17 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Yes, incendiary tear gas canisters both poured and ignited gasoline at three separate internal points of the compound lol


Hottest of takes: both sides contributed to the fire because the cultists had a death wish because muh apocalypse and the Feds didn't help because they still haven't gotten the memo that tear gas almost always starts fires inside buildings.

I’ll accept that tbh. The feds definitely shit the bed too, but I have to cut them some slack when they’re dealing with literal deranged suicide cultists.
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Postby Austreylia » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:54 pm

Vassenor wrote:You really hate actually reading my posts rather than just pretending I said what you wanted me to have said, don't you?

Because every single thing you post is just ridiculous.

You parrot anti-police talking points that you see on twitter until the person the police have killed is white and pro-2A.
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