US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Borderlands of Rojava]

White privilege? First off pal I'm a person of color. Second off people of color tend to be used for low paying labor and then thrown away by the current system we got. Third off you don't think people have a right to protest peacefully. You wanna arrest ppl for a fucking curfew violation, thereby guaranteeing only more violence because you didn't think through what would end up happening. You just want your "safety." Well let me ask you something NWR. You ever think about how some people feel around the police? About how the police have killed some people for no good reason? The police to you represent safety and security but to me they always were a menace and a danger. My brother almost lost his life thanks to one of them. I've had girls I know followed and harassed by them, male friends thrown against walls and beaten down, and a couple local police officers stole some property from my grandmother in 1975. So pardon me if I don't give a damn about your need to feel safe, cause you sure as hell don't care about my safety or rights or the rights of the black and hispanic men and women fighting for their lives right now and fighting for those who were murdered by police. You claim to but make it clear you really don't.

Maybe you need to take a look at your privilege before you try and comment on anyone else's.

Forgive me, but I’m going to doubt that you’re a person of color. I’m not going to deny the fact that there are white supremacists in police departments. I’m not going to deny the fact that they harass and even kill POC at a higher rate than White people. However, I don’t believe that these institutions are racist by design. In your world. We would have mob justice and chaos. I believe that police departments need massive reforms, starting with rooting out white supremacists. We need to hire more POC and trans police officers, and we need to have residency requirements.

But that won’t do for people with your worldview. You want complete abolishment of law enforcement and even the state.

Yes the institutions are racist by design. Have you not seen the stats on incarceration in America? And I frankly don't care if you doubt I'm a person of color. Some of the people on this thread have actually spoken to me and know who I am. What I do care about is how you don't actually care about this issue. You just want to feel safe. You're fine violating peoples rights if you can feel secure in the end. That's why you wanted curfew violators arrested, right? You can talk to me about safety when you try and understand how unsafe some people such as myself feel around the police you admire.

[North Washington Republic]

Forgive me, but I’m going to doubt that you’re a person of color. I’m not going to deny the fact that there are white supremacists in police departments. I’m not going to deny the fact that they harass and even kill POC at a higher rate than White people. However, I don’t believe that these institutions are racist by design. In your world. We would have mob justice and chaos. I believe that police departments need massive reforms, starting with rooting out white supremacists. We need to hire more POC and trans police officers, and we need to have residency requirements.

But that won’t do for people with your worldview. You want complete abolishment of law enforcement and even the state.

Bro seriously? Why would he lie about being non-white lmfao. Also seriously? Your solution is just black cops and trans cops?

I like the fact that you’re ignoring that I said we need to root out white supremacists.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Bro seriously? Why would he lie about being non-white lmfao. Also seriously? Your solution is just black cops and trans cops?

I like the fact that you’re ignoring that I said we need to root out white supremacists.

That's literally too little. It isnt a few bad apples, and you ought to know that.

[North Washington Republic]

Forgive me, but I’m going to doubt that you’re a person of color. I’m not going to deny the fact that there are white supremacists in police departments. I’m not going to deny the fact that they harass and even kill POC at a higher rate than White people. However, I don’t believe that these institutions are racist by design. In your world. We would have mob justice and chaos. I believe that police departments need massive reforms, starting with rooting out white supremacists. We need to hire more POC and trans police officers, and we need to have residency requirements.

But that won’t do for people with your worldview. You want complete abolishment of law enforcement and even the state.

Yes the institutions are racist by design. Have you not seen the stats on incarceration in America? And I frankly don't care if you doubt I'm a person of color. Some of the people on this thread have actually spoken to me and know who I am. What I do care about is how you don't actually care about this issue. You just want to feel safe. You're fine violating peoples rights if you can feel secure in the end. That's why you wanted curfew violators arrested, right? You can talk to me about safety when you try and understand how unsafe some people such as myself feel around the police you admire.

These institutions need reform, but without them, you’re more likely to be killed by someone. If we it your way, we would end like like El Salvador or Somalia. No functional government isn’t going to give you safety.

[Gravlen]

It is interesting, isn't it, that the police in the video are not pointing their guns at the guy. No taser was deployed either. I wonder if the cops for some reason percieved him to be less of a threat?

Perhaps they ought to have shot him given he was an actual threat.

I'm glad they managed to solve the situation without shooting him, but it is odd... I can't help compare the situation to the one where the Army lieutenant was pulled over for a traffic stop, and the two cops approach him with guns drawn since they didn't see his rear lisence plate.

He was apparently a bigger potential threat than the guy who had just recently attacked someone with a piece of lumber.

[Kannap]

Bro seriously? Why would he lie about being non-white lmfao. Also seriously? Your solution is just black cops and trans cops?

I like the fact that you’re ignoring that I said we need to root out white supremacists.

Only way to root out the white supremacy is to completely throw out the system that is racist to the root

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Yes the institutions are racist by design. Have you not seen the stats on incarceration in America? And I frankly don't care if you doubt I'm a person of color. Some of the people on this thread have actually spoken to me and know who I am. What I do care about is how you don't actually care about this issue. You just want to feel safe. You're fine violating peoples rights if you can feel secure in the end. That's why you wanted curfew violators arrested, right? You can talk to me about safety when you try and understand how unsafe some people such as myself feel around the police you admire.

These institutions need reform, but without them, you’re more likely to be killed by someone. If we it your way, we would end like like El Salvador or Somalia. No functional government isn’t going to give you safety.

You don't even know what my way is. You're strawmanning so hard right now, and you don't even know what it is I want besides an end to the way things are currently being done. And nice, you ignored what I said before. Here let me make it more clear. I DO NOT FEEL SAFE WITH THE WAY POLICING IS DONE IN THIS COUNTRY.

[Dejado Atras]

I like the fact that you’re ignoring that I said we need to root out white supremacists.

That's literally too little. It isnt a few bad apples, and you ought to know that.

So just out of curiosity are you for total abolition and collapse of law enforcement systems or just heavy/total reform? Genuine curiosity.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

That's literally too little. It isnt a few bad apples, and you ought to know that.

So just out of curiosity are you for total abolition and collapse of law enforcement systems or just heavy reform? Genuine curiosity.

All societies need law enforcement of some type. There will always be at least a few bad guys. But we can do better. We can do way better than we are doing now.

[Fartsniffage]

Yes the institutions are racist by design. Have you not seen the stats on incarceration in America? And I frankly don't care if you doubt I'm a person of color. Some of the people on this thread have actually spoken to me and know who I am. What I do care about is how you don't actually care about this issue. You just want to feel safe. You're fine violating peoples rights if you can feel secure in the end. That's why you wanted curfew violators arrested, right? You can talk to me about safety when you try and understand how unsafe some people such as myself feel around the police you admire.

These institutions need reform, but without them, you’re more likely to be killed by someone. If we it your way, we would end like like El Salvador or Somalia. No functional government isn’t going to give you safety.

Black American parents have to teach their kids how not to get shot by the police. Name another country where a group have to teach their kids how not to get killed by the people supposed to protect them.

[Stylan]

Bro seriously? Why would he lie about being non-white lmfao. Also seriously? Your solution is just black cops and trans cops?

I like the fact that you’re ignoring that I said we need to root out white supremacists.

The system is built to be white supremacist. You have to throw out the system to fix it.

Yes the institutions are racist by design. Have you not seen the stats on incarceration in America? And I frankly don't care if you doubt I'm a person of color. Some of the people on this thread have actually spoken to me and know who I am. What I do care about is how you don't actually care about this issue. You just want to feel safe. You're fine violating peoples rights if you can feel secure in the end. That's why you wanted curfew violators arrested, right? You can talk to me about safety when you try and understand how unsafe some people such as myself feel around the police you admire.

These institutions need reform, but without them, you’re more likely to be killed by someone. If we it your way, we would end like like El Salvador or Somalia. No functional government isn’t going to give you safety.

I, and I don't think any serious "police abolitionist" advocates a literal complete lack of law enforcement. I and many of us simply wish for it to be directly tied to the neighborhoods and communities they serve, ie, community watches that are directly elected and accountable to the people.

[Dejado Atras]

So just out of curiosity are you for total abolition and collapse of law enforcement systems or just heavy reform? Genuine curiosity.

All societies need law enforcement of some type. There will always be at least a few bad guys. But we can do better. We can do way better than we are doing now.

Well, I’m glad to hear that first part definitely. I’m burned out on anarchists.

[Senkaku]

Bro seriously? Why would he lie about being non-white lmfao. Also seriously? Your solution is just black cops and trans cops?

I like the fact that you’re ignoring that I said we need to root out white supremacists.

Explain what you think that would entail, for a department. Say, NYPD (or any one, really). What does "rooting out white supremacists" actually look like? How do you think police departments should go about detecting them, and what's the threshold for being racist enough to get fired?

Again: the absence of actual conviction. You're just parroting a line you've heard from media organizations tightly linked with establishment politics, suggesting vaguely cosmetic changes that sound good on paper but which would in fact be difficult to even conceive the specifics of, much less to apply in practice-- but saying it makes you sound reasonable, so people leave you alone, and hopefully eventually everyone forgets about the whole thing.


Also: abolishing the current structure of policing doesn't entail ditching the very concept of law enforcement. This feels almost capitalist realism-adjacent; you literally can't even imagine that there's a way to do things besides the way we do them now, so you're freaking out that people are proposing doing law enforcement very differently because you assume that equates to not doing it at all.

[Gravlen]

Also, it's not just the police that needs to be rebuilt. It's the entire criminal justice system.

[Western Theram]

NWR is literally the "you're not protesting the right way" guy who will find a way to say every form of protest is wrong, like the people who complained when Kapernick knelt.

Then they wonder why riots happen.

LOL, not really. People have a right to peacefully assemble, throwing projectiles at LEOs is NOT peaceful. Rioting and looting are not victimless crimes. And you know what, many of the business that were damaged and looted were POC and immigrant owned. But according to folks like you, there is no good form of capitalism, even when POC people benefit from it.

Talk about white privilege.

don't you think its a little weird that you never see cops when theres looting in poor neighborhoods but when people peacefully assemble in  public park they literally surround protesters and beat them if they try to leave then say the protesters were "failing to disperse"? also no one defending looting. rioting and looting happens when the rage built up over time spills out and sometimes theres people like umbrella man who take advantage of this and purposely try to escalate things, they're called agent provocateurs. i believe that there's a time and a place for violence but the community needs to agree the time to do so.
https://youtu.be/7zthJUf31MA?t=470 not to discredit any anarchist writings or viewpoints but if you're only going to start shit and do whatever you want without thinking there will be consequences you shouldn't go to a protest.
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[San Lumen]

Also, it's not just the police that needs to be rebuilt. It's the entire criminal justice system.

and one way the people can do that is elect new district attorneys and sheriffs. Plus mayors and city councils have a big impact on the police as do county elections.

[Stylan]

Also, it's not just the police that needs to be rebuilt. It's the entire criminal justice system.

And not just the entire criminal justice system, the entire capitalist system as a whole.

[Kannap]

The only people who could possibly insist on not trying to completely and drastically/radically overhaul the system of law enforcement we have are people who benefit from the brutality, corruption, and systemic racism and oppression of minorities present in the current system.

I can't honestly figure out another reason why somebody would be opposed to throwing out the current system -- which is a nationwide crisis of police attacking, stealing from, harassing, raping/sexually assaulting, and murdering our citizenry at an alarming level that's covered up and protected by system-wide hunger to keep the current power of the police.

[Kannap]

LOL, not really. People have a right to peacefully assemble, throwing projectiles at LEOs is NOT peaceful. Rioting and looting are not victimless crimes. And you know what, many of the business that were damaged and looted were POC and immigrant owned. But according to folks like you, there is no good form of capitalism, even when POC people benefit from it.

Talk about white privilege.

don't you think its a little weird that you never see cops when theres looting in poor neighborhoods but when people peacefully assemble in  public park they literally surround protesters and beat them if they try to leave then say the protesters were "failing to disperse"? also no one defending looting. rioting and looting happens when the rage built up over time spills out and sometimes theres people like umbrella man who take advantage of this and purposely try to escalate things, they're called agent provocateurs. i believe that there's a time and a place for violence but the community needs to agree the time to do so.
https://youtu.be/7zthJUf31MA?t=470 not to discredit any anarchist writings or viewpoints but if you're only going to start shit and do whatever you want without thinking there will be consequences you shouldn't go to a protest.
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that's because the cops are usually the ones looting the poor neighborhoods. They prey on and target those who don't have the ability or financial stability to fight against forfeiture, which gets heavily abused by police departments.

[Senkaku]

The only people who could possibly insist on not trying to completely and drastically/radically overhaul the system of law enforcement we have are people who benefit from the brutality, corruption, and systemic racism and oppression of minorities present in the current system.

I can't honestly figure out another reason why somebody would be opposed to throwing out the current system -- which is a nationwide crisis of police attacking, stealing from, harassing, raping/sexually assaulting, and murdering our citizenry at an alarming level that's covered up and protected by system-wide hunger to keep the current power of the police.

You don't necessarily have to see tangible benefits from it, you can just be relatively insulated from its abuse and incapable of imagining any alternative model (a helplessness which the police propaganda machine on network television and local news will be happy to reinforce). Then when people start talking about radical changes to how we manage public safety and law enforcement, you're just gripped by terror, because you just sort of blindly assume that if the current system of policing is gone, you will be immediately serial-killed or something.

[Dejado Atras]

don't you think its a little weird that you never see cops when theres looting in poor neighborhoods but when people peacefully assemble in  public park they literally surround protesters and beat them if they try to leave then say the protesters were "failing to disperse"? also no one defending looting. rioting and looting happens when the rage built up over time spills out and sometimes theres people like umbrella man who take advantage of this and purposely try to escalate things, they're called agent provocateurs. i believe that there's a time and a place for violence but the community needs to agree the time to do so.
https://youtu.be/7zthJUf31MA?t=470 not to discredit any anarchist writings or viewpoints but if you're only going to start shit and do whatever you want without thinking there will be consequences you shouldn't go to a protest.
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that's because the cops are usually the ones looting the poor neighborhoods. They prey on and target those who don't have the ability or financial stability to fight against forfeiture, which gets heavily abused by police departments.

I apologize but I have never heard of cops looting and stripping houses.

[Western Theram]

NWR is literally the "you're not protesting the right way" guy who will find a way to say every form of protest is wrong, like the people who complained when Kapernick knelt.

Then they wonder why riots happen.

LOL, not really. People have a right to peacefully assemble, throwing projectiles at LEOs is NOT peaceful. Rioting and looting are not victimless crimes. And you know what, many of the business that were damaged and looted were POC and immigrant owned. But according to folks like you, there is no good form of capitalism, even when POC people benefit from it.

Talk about white privilege.

the "projectiles" thrown at Lafayette square were water bottles, and the people around the guy throwing them immediately told him to "stop throwing shit" what harm do you really think a plastic bottle is gonna do to a police officer who's decked out in full riot gear? that being said throwing a water bottle doesn't justify tear gassing the crowd and beating an australian news crew

[Kannap]

The only people who could possibly insist on not trying to completely and drastically/radically overhaul the system of law enforcement we have are people who benefit from the brutality, corruption, and systemic racism and oppression of minorities present in the current system.

I can't honestly figure out another reason why somebody would be opposed to throwing out the current system -- which is a nationwide crisis of police attacking, stealing from, harassing, raping/sexually assaulting, and murdering our citizenry at an alarming level that's covered up and protected by system-wide hunger to keep the current power of the police.

You don't necessarily have to see tangible benefits from it, you can just be relatively insulated from its abuse and incapable of imagining any alternative model (a helplessness which the police propaganda machine on network television and local news will be happy to reinforce). Then when people start talking about radical changes to how we manage public safety and law enforcement, you're just gripped by terror, because you just sort of blindly assume that if the current system of policing is gone, you will be immediately serial-killed or something.

I'm entirely afraid of the police. I don't trust them and I don't talk to them or interact with them.

I recognize I have the privilege of being white. My fear is because I'm gay and their historic and continued oppression of us. But at least I can hide my "problem", POC can't hide their skin color.

[Galloism]

You don't necessarily have to see tangible benefits from it, you can just be relatively insulated from its abuse and incapable of imagining any alternative model (a helplessness which the police propaganda machine on network television and local news will be happy to reinforce). Then when people start talking about radical changes to how we manage public safety and law enforcement, you're just gripped by terror, because you just sort of blindly assume that if the current system of policing is gone, you will be immediately serial-killed or something.

I'm entirely afraid of the police. I don't trust them and I don't talk to them or interact with them.

I recognize I have the privilege of being white. My fear is because I'm gay and their historic and continued oppression of us. But at least I can hide my "problem", POC can't hide their skin color.

Also, you’re a man. Men are 97% of those killed by police.

[Kannap]

that's because the cops are usually the ones looting the poor neighborhoods. They prey on and target those who don't have the ability or financial stability to fight against forfeiture, which gets heavily abused by police departments.

I apologize but I have never heard of cops looting and stripping houses.

I believe I specified forfeiture specifically, it's the vehicle they use to steal from people who can't fight the process