US Anti-Police Protests and Riots Thread III

[Borderlands of Rojava]

Sure, Jan.

What was the Boston Tea Party if not an act of looting? What was the war itself if not a massive riot by those looking to "dismantle the current society?"

People out past curfew: *violent anarchists*

Armed guerrillas shooting British soldiers: Patriots

[Senkaku]

And when peaceful protesting for decades has gotten no progress and police continue to murder POC normally without repercussions?

I agree peaceful protest is favored and should always be tried first, but when police bring the violence and the people defending themselves gets called a "riot" then people should riot rather than letting their rights get trampled on by maintaining the status quo.

I think my past posts attributes blame for the riots and looting to the white supremacists and the Boogaloo boys. I’m not one of those individuals that thinks that far-right violence doesn’t exist, and too add this for context, every single MAGA terrorist that attacked our Capitol on January 6th deserves the death penalty.

Good fucking God, dude. Mass arrests for violating curfew, preemptive suppression of demonstrations by Guardies, and death to everyone involved in the Capitol riot? You're not even a fascist, you're just a gleeful proponent of state terrorism in the bloodiest and most authentic sense.

However, I’m one hell of an anti-extremist,

I'm losing my mind lmao bro you ARE an extremist

I hear a lot of “ACAB’ chants, which tells me that there are anarchist and call vert white supremacists wanting to escalate things.

Or that large numbers of people simply think and feel that way! Attributing everything you don't like to agents provocateurs is just nonsensical.

curfews dont do anything. If people want to peacefully protest they should be allowed.

Curfews are meant to prevent looting and violence. We tried allowing peaceful protest despite cut views before, and the violence and the looting just escalated.

Do you think police departments themselves issue curfews planning to arrest every single person they can get their hands on who's out a minute after it starts? It's just a formality, a liability thing-- if things heat up, they've given themselves a legitimate reason to arrest people as needed, but almost never is the plan to actually sweep up everyone, even if they have the resources to make such a goal achievable (which a lot of departments don't).

[Neutraligon]

I think my past posts attributes blame for the riots and looting to the white supremacists and the Boogaloo boys. I’m not one of those individuals that thinks that far-right violence doesn’t exist, and too add this for context, every single MAGA terrorist that attacked our Capitol on January 6th deserves the death penalty.

Good fucking God, dude. Mass arrests for violating curfew, preemptive suppression of demonstrations by Guardies, and death to everyone involved in the Capitol riot? You're not even a fascist, you're just a gleeful proponent of state terrorism in the bloodiest and most authentic sense.

However, I’m one hell of an anti-extremist,

I'm losing my mind lmao bro you ARE an extremist

I hear a lot of “ACAB’ chants, which tells me that there are anarchist and call vert white supremacists wanting to escalate things.

Or that large numbers of people simply think and feel that way! Attributing everything you don't like to agents provocateurs is just nonsensical.

Curfews are meant to prevent looting and violence. We tried allowing peaceful protest despite cut views before, and the violence and the looting just escalated.

Do you think police departments themselves issue curfews planning to arrest every single person they can get their hands on who's out a minute after it starts? It's just a formality, a liability thing-- if things heat up, they've given themselves a legitimate reason to arrest people as needed, but almost never is the plan to actually sweep up everyone, even if they have the resources to make such a goal achievable (which a lot of departments don't).

While the Portland protests here going strong there was a curfew practically every night. Until things became testy, almost no one was arrested for staying out past curfew. All that would have done was ensure that a riot would happen.

[Senkaku]

Again, what's the deal with your flag?

I’ve answered your question about the flag. I said I’m unashamed American Patriot.

What does that even mean, if it apparently doesn't entail any commitment to the radically democratic and humanist values America was (ostensibly) founded on? You're just on fire for the Electoral College or something?

And I don’t compare the actions of anarchist and covert white supremacists looking to dismantling our current society to the Patriots during the revolutionary war.

This whole obsession with agents provocateurs is starting to go from reasonably or perhaps a bit amusingly paranoid to levels bordering on clinically concerning. Yes, sometimes there are bad actors in crowds who provoke things... and sometimes there aren't, but even when there are, alleging that there are vast organized plots by "anarchists" at work behind the scenes strains credulity.

[Senkaku]

Good fucking God, dude. Mass arrests for violating curfew, preemptive suppression of demonstrations by Guardies, and death to everyone involved in the Capitol riot? You're not even a fascist, you're just a gleeful proponent of state terrorism in the bloodiest and most authentic sense.


I'm losing my mind lmao bro you ARE an extremist


Or that large numbers of people simply think and feel that way! Attributing everything you don't like to agents provocateurs is just nonsensical.


Do you think police departments themselves issue curfews planning to arrest every single person they can get their hands on who's out a minute after it starts? It's just a formality, a liability thing-- if things heat up, they've given themselves a legitimate reason to arrest people as needed, but almost never is the plan to actually sweep up everyone, even if they have the resources to make such a goal achievable (which a lot of departments don't).

While the Portland protests here going strong there was a curfew practically every night. Until things became testy, almost no one was arrested for staying out past curfew. All that would have done was ensure that a riot would happen.

I think NWR is just here to say the most incendiary thing possible (send in Guardies to crush peaceful demonstrators, arrest everyone violating a curfew, execute everyone who was at the Capitol) and see what people will take seriously if he tries to couch it with "but BLM tho" at the end of every other post.

[San Lumen]

While the Portland protests here going strong there was a curfew practically every night. Until things became testy, almost no one was arrested for staying out past curfew. All that would have done was ensure that a riot would happen.

I think NWR is just here to say the most incendiary thing possible (send in Guardies to crush peaceful demonstrators, arrest everyone violating a curfew, execute everyone who was at the Capitol) and see what people will take seriously if he tries to couch it with "but BLM tho" at the end of every other post.

There also should be anger at the mayor for introducing the curfew. The incumbent mayor of Minneapolis is likely going to face a very tough reelection fight and actions like this are unlikely to help him.

[North Washington Republic]

While the Portland protests here going strong there was a curfew practically every night. Until things became testy, almost no one was arrested for staying out past curfew. All that would have done was ensure that a riot would happen.

I think NWR is just here to say the most incendiary thing possible (send in Guardies to crush peaceful demonstrators, arrest everyone violating a curfew, execute everyone who was at the Capitol) and see what people will take seriously if he tries to couch it with "but BLM tho" at the end of every other post.

Well, I don’t think so because I strongly believe that Black Lives Matter. I do believe that Black people and other POCs are not treated equally when it comes to law enforcement. I’ve stated that I believe that while supremacist have infiltrated law enforcement and we need to root them out. However, what I don’t believe in is looting and rioting. The curfew is in place because of the violence and unrest in the city that I happen to live in. The curfew wasn’t announced by our progressive Governor just to be mean. It was to preserve safety and law and order.

[Picairn]

I think my past posts attributes blame for the riots and looting to the white supremacists and the Boogaloo boys. I’m not one of those individuals that thinks that far-right violence doesn’t exist, and too add this for context, every single MAGA terrorist that attacked our Capitol on January 6th deserves the death penalty.

Holy shit, isn't this way too extreme? It's not like the MAGA insurrectionists blew up the entire Capitol and gassed all citizens of D.C or something.

See, this is why you should't subscribe to legalism. It's tyranny.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

I think NWR is just here to say the most incendiary thing possible (send in Guardies to crush peaceful demonstrators, arrest everyone violating a curfew, execute everyone who was at the Capitol) and see what people will take seriously if he tries to couch it with "but BLM tho" at the end of every other post.

Well, I don’t think so because I strongly believe that Black Lives Matter. I do believe that Black people and other POCs are not treated equally when it comes to law enforcement. I’ve stated that I believe that while supremacist have infiltrated lawn enforcement and we need to root them out. However, what I don’t believe in is looting and rioting. The curfew is in place because of the violence and unrest in the city that I happen to live in. The curfew wasn’t announced by our progressive Governor just to be mean. It was to persevere safety and law and order.

And if you arrest a bunch ofnpeople just for being out past curfew and most of them are black, your empty words about black lives mattering means nothing.

[Neutraligon]

I think NWR is just here to say the most incendiary thing possible (send in Guardies to crush peaceful demonstrators, arrest everyone violating a curfew, execute everyone who was at the Capitol) and see what people will take seriously if he tries to couch it with "but BLM tho" at the end of every other post.

Well, I don’t think so because I strongly believe that Black Lives Matter. I do believe that Black people and other POCs are not treated equally when it comes to law enforcement. I’ve stated that I believe that while supremacist have infiltrated lawn enforcement and we need to root them out. However, what I don’t believe in is looting and rioting. The curfew is in place because of the violence and unrest in the city that I happen to live in. The curfew wasn’t announced by our progressive Governor just to be mean. It was to persevere safety and law and order.

I make mistakes like that all the time, but now I am picturing an army of gnomes in police uniforms.

[North Washington Republic]

I think my past posts attributes blame for the riots and looting to the white supremacists and the Boogaloo boys. I’m not one of those individuals that thinks that far-right violence doesn’t exist, and too add this for context, every single MAGA terrorist that attacked our Capitol on January 6th deserves the death penalty.

Holy shit, isn't this way too extreme? It's not like the MAGA insurrectionists blew up the entire Capitol and gassed all citizens of D.C or something.

See, this is why you should't subscribe to legalism. It's tyranny.

I believe in the death penalty for attempted terrorist attacks, sedition and insurrection. I take shame in that.

[Senkaku]

I think NWR is just here to say the most incendiary thing possible (send in Guardies to crush peaceful demonstrators, arrest everyone violating a curfew, execute everyone who was at the Capitol) and see what people will take seriously if he tries to couch it with "but BLM tho" at the end of every other post.

Well, I don’t think so because I strongly believe that Black Lives Matter. I do believe that Black people and other POCs are not treated equally when it comes to law enforcement. I’ve stated that I believe that while supremacist have infiltrated lawn enforcement and we need to root them out. However, what I don’t believe in is looting and rioting. The curfew is in place because of the violence and unrest in the city that I happen to live in. The curfew wasn’t announced by our progressive Governor just to be mean. It was to persevere safety and law and order.

strongly believe... now who else on here do we know who likes to throw in lots of "strongly believes" in their prose... and to put unnecessary adjectives like "progressive" and capitalize or misspell things here or there (lawn, persevere)... and who would say things like "in the city that I happen to live in", like a real person who definitely lives there

[North Washington Republic]

Well, I don’t think so because I strongly believe that Black Lives Matter. I do believe that Black people and other POCs are not treated equally when it comes to law enforcement. I’ve stated that I believe that while supremacist have infiltrated lawn enforcement and we need to root them out. However, what I don’t believe in is looting and rioting. The curfew is in place because of the violence and unrest in the city that I happen to live in. The curfew wasn’t announced by our progressive Governor just to be mean. It was to persevere safety and law and order.

I make mistakes like that all the time, but now I am picturing an army of gnomes in police uniforms.

LOL, well in Minneapolis, we don’t really have lawn enforcement, but you can get a big fat fine for don’t shoveling your walk.

[North Washington Republic]

Well, I don’t think so because I strongly believe that Black Lives Matter. I do believe that Black people and other POCs are not treated equally when it comes to law enforcement. I’ve stated that I believe that while supremacist have infiltrated lawn enforcement and we need to root them out. However, what I don’t believe in is looting and rioting. The curfew is in place because of the violence and unrest in the city that I happen to live in. The curfew wasn’t announced by our progressive Governor just to be mean. It was to persevere safety and law and order.

strongly believe... now who else on here do we know who likes to throw in lots of "strongly believes" in their prose... and to put unnecessary adjectives like "progressive" and capitalize or misspell things here or there (lawn, persevere)... and who would say things like "in the city that I happen to live in", like a real person who definitely lives there

Ah, I think I broke you.

That’s okay, you don’t have to believe I live in Minneapolis. Lived here nearly all my life, besides for about three years where I lived in St. Paul.

[Neu California]

Well, I don’t think so because I strongly believe that Black Lives Matter. I do believe that Black people and other POCs are not treated equally when it comes to law enforcement. I’ve stated that I believe that while supremacist have infiltrated lawn enforcement and we need to root them out. However, what I don’t believe in is looting and rioting. The curfew is in place because of the violence and unrest in the city that I happen to live in. The curfew wasn’t announced by our progressive Governor just to be mean. It was to persevere safety and law and order.

I make mistakes like that all the time, but now I am picturing an army of gnomes in police uniforms.

Old Man Henderson would be proud

(Look him up if you don't know who he is and want some lulz)

[Postauthoritarian America]

MSNBC reporting looting at Dollar Tree store near Brooklyn Center PD HQ

[Senkaku]

strongly believe... now who else on here do we know who likes to throw in lots of "strongly believes" in their prose... and to put unnecessary adjectives like "progressive" and capitalize or misspell things here or there (lawn, persevere)... and who would say things like "in the city that I happen to live in", like a real person who definitely lives there

Ah, I think I broke you.

That’s okay, you don’t have to believe I live in Minneapolis. Lived here nearly all my life, besides for about three years where I lived in St. Paul.

I mean, if you aren't GMS and you're really from Minneapolis, then you're gleefully hoping for your fellow citizens and neighbors to be brutalized and killed and for your city to be placed under some form of incredibly draconian emergency rule, which honestly seems much worse.

[His Excellence]

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Interesting how both of these posts have directly contradicting interpretations of who's inflicting violence during these protests, but still justify it when it's being committed by the "correct" people, though of course we're so against violence the rest of the time, right? Because we're all such heroic paragons of virtue, who abhor all violence (except when we don't) and oppose racism (but also can't make arguments without framing them through assumptions of skin color).

The fact that both of these viewpoints hold prominence creates a lose/lose where the police are the villains regardless of what they do. Literally no matter how they respond, it will be construed in a way that makes them look bad, and people who want the cred of being social justice activists (without putting in the effort to accomplish anything of value) will just selectively latch onto whatever narrative best serves their sense of moral superiority. And they will continue to feel like enlightened counter culture champions for holding the same views as multinational corporations, fighting the causes supported by career politicians, and being mad at what the news wants them to be mad at.

[Postauthoritarian America]

State troopers, National Guard present at Brooklyn Center PD

[North Washington Republic]

Ah, I think I broke you.

That’s okay, you don’t have to believe I live in Minneapolis. Lived here nearly all my life, besides for about three years where I lived in St. Paul.

I mean, if you aren't GMS and you're really from Minneapolis, then you're gleefully hoping for your fellow citizens and neighbors to be brutalized and killed and for your city to be placed under some form of incredibly draconian emergency rule, which honestly seems much worse.

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I believe those that violate the curfew should be arrested, not given the death penalty and should serve no more than a year in jail. As for those that riot and loot, they deserve 20+ years in prison. I don’t take joy in it, I believe that preserving law, order, safety, life and property is the single most important thing in society.

This emergency curfew wasn’t put in place al of a sudden for no reason. It is put in place to encourage people to stay home.It it is a tool to preserve life and property. And those are more important than anarchists and white supremacists looking to incite their class/race war.

[North Washington Republic]

State troopers, National Guard present at Brooklyn Center PD

God Bless the Minnesota National Guard.

[Neu California]

MSNBC reporting looting at Dollar Tree store near Brooklyn Center PD HQ

Looting at Dollar Tree. Am I hearing that right?

Yeah, that's... out there.

I suspect that it's agitators and out-of-towners trying to cause trouble and make BLM look bad, personally.

[His Excellence]

Nah you don't deny white supremacy exists. You just draw a false equivalency between white supremacists (who make up 71% of violence extremism in America and seek to genocide minorities) and left wing demonstrators who don't kill nearly as many people and who have legitimate grievances with an evil and destructive system.

Both sides amiright?

You got any source for that 71% stat? Because that sure sounds rife for picking and choosing what crimes to include.

[Senkaku]

I mean, if you aren't GMS and you're really from Minneapolis, then you're gleefully hoping for your fellow citizens and neighbors to be brutalized and killed and for your city to be placed under some form of incredibly draconian emergency rule, which honestly seems much worse.

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I believe those that violate the curfew should be arrested, not given the death penalty and should serve no more than a year in jail. As for those that riot and loot, they deserve 20+ years in prison.

...is that on the books anywhere in the country? Why do you think people deserve such punishments for being out past a curfew or even for rioting?

I don’t take joy in it,

It's hard to believe you when you seem to instinctively go for the most bloodthirsty option in any given situation. The whole "preemptively deploy troops against calm demonstrations" thing earlier was a pretty clear indication of where you stand.

I believe that preserving law, order, safety, life and property is the single most important thing in society.

...that's five different things, the preservation of which often end up being somewhat contradictory in tense situations involving mass demonstrations or civil unrest. You seem firmly on the law, order, and property side, since you're literally calling for mass arrests.

This emergency curfew wasn’t put in place al of a sudden for no reason. It is put in place to encourage people to stay home.It it is a tool to preserve life and property.

It's also a tool to try and frighten marginal supporters into demobilizing and to legitimize police violence that would otherwise be considered unacceptable.

And those are more important than anarchists and white supremacists looking to incite their class/race war.

Do you really think every person out right now is an anarchist or a white supremacist trying to incite civil war? That must be a very scary thing to feel to be true; let me reassure you it is not the case, and most of the people you're demeaning as violent nihilists actually would just like police to stop murdering Black people and are taking to the streets to show it.

[Senkaku]

MSNBC reporting looting at Dollar Tree store near Brooklyn Center PD HQ

Looting at Dollar Tree. Am I hearing that right?

This is the US, we're not going to let the proles loot anything too nice. If they're quick enough they can enjoy the crumbs.