Barbados to Remove the Queen as Head of State

by **Nimzonia** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:52 am

What even is this thread? Barbados has been fully independent since the 1960s.

by **Mathuvan Union** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:55 am

Nimzonia wrote:What even is this thread? Barbados has been fully independent since the 1960s.

chuck the queen in the gutter, because there is still a queen basically.
god save the queen

by **-Astoria-** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:56 am

Nimzonia wrote:What even is this thread? Barbados has been fully independent since the 1960s.

The Queen's still the head of state.

by **Nimzonia** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:59 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:What even is this thread? Barbados has been fully independent since the 1960s.
The Queen's still the head of state.

What does that have to do with independence?

by **-Astoria-** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:03 am

Nimzonia wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:The Queen's still the head of state.

What does that have to do with independence?

You said "fully" independent.

by **Nimzonia** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:07 am

-Astoria- wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:
What does that have to do with independence?
You said "fully" independent.

Yes. Because it is.

This is purely an internal restructuring of the Barbadian state that has no bearing whatsoever on Barbadian independence.

by **Andsed** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:20 am

Nimzonia wrote:What even is this thread? Barbados has been fully independent since the 1960s.

I´m guessing the OP meant that Barbados is declaring ¨total independence¨ in a symbolic sense by removing the Queen as head of state. Kinda misleading but that seems to be what they mean.

by **Nimzonia** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:49 am

Andsed wrote:
Nimzonia wrote:What even is this thread? Barbados has been fully independent since the 1960s.

I´m guessing the OP meant that Barbados is declaring ¨total independence¨ in a symbolic sense by removing the Queen as head of state. Kinda misleading but that seems to be what they mean.

Since the OP declared that Barbados is a "dominion", I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt.

The general misconception in this thread seems to be that Barbados is subject to the British crown. It is not.

by **Major-Tom** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:21 am

Yeah, good, so long as they don't change their flag, that's a fucking sick flag they have. A god damn trident? Love that.

by **Aureumterra** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:27 am

Major-Tom wrote:Yeah, good, so long as they don't change their flag, that's a fucking sick flag they have. A god damn trident? Love that.

If they want to crown their own monarch it should be King Neptune

by **Major-Tom** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:32 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Yeah, good, so long as they don't change their flag, that's a fucking sick flag they have. A god damn trident? Love that.

If they want to crown their own monarch it should be King Neptune

I'm all for it.

by **Andsed** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:00 am

Aureumterra wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:Yeah, good, so long as they don't change their flag, that's a fucking sick flag they have. A god damn trident? Love that.

If they want to crown their own monarch it should be King Neptune

Broke: declaring war on Neptune.

Woke: Making him your king.

by **An Alan Smithee Nation** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:05 am

They aren't making Rihanna queen then?

by **Exalted Inquellian State** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:05 am

Andsed wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:If they want to crown their own monarch it should be King Neptune

Broke: declaring war on Neptune.

Woke: Making him your king.

Bespoke: Making Neptune your kind and declaring war on the planet Neptune.

by **Ansarre** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:08 am

2015 Poll from Barbardos Today: 64% don't support the abolition of the monarchy. This is an undemocratic coup and it will isolate Barbados' crucial tourism industry when it is suffering so much. A distraction from the incompetence of the Mottley administration.

by **Albionist Great Britain** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:10 am

Ansarre wrote:2015 Poll from Barbardos Today: 64% don't support the abolition of the monarchy. This is an undemocratic coup and it will isolate Barbados' crucial tourism industry when it is suffering so much. A distraction from the incompetence of the Mottley administration.

Barbados has tried multiple times to abolish the monarchy through referendum, each time failed. The fact they’re doing it without a referendum now is fishy and undemocratic. I wish Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II (LMSR) would dismiss the current administration and force Barbados to hold new elections.

by **Celritannia** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:11 am

Ansarre wrote:2015 Poll from Barbardos Today: 64% don't support the abolition of the monarchy. This is an undemocratic coup and it will isolate Barbados' crucial tourism industry when it is suffering so much. A distraction from the incompetence of the Mottley administration.

That was in 2015, is there a more recent one?

by **Ansarre** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:13 am

Celritannia wrote:
Ansarre wrote:2015 Poll from Barbardos Today: 64% don't support the abolition of the monarchy. This is an undemocratic coup and it will isolate Barbados' crucial tourism industry when it is suffering so much. A distraction from the incompetence of the Mottley administration.

That was in 2015, is there a more recent one?

Can't find one. A few online polls over the years have been mentioned by Caribbean friends but I was told to disregard them because they're just anyone can vote polls on tabloid sites. Would be very happy if someone was able to dig up more recent polls though.

by **Celritannia** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:17 am

Ansarre wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
That was in 2015, is there a more recent one?

Can't find one. A few online polls over the years have been mentioned by Caribbean friends but I was told to disregard them because they're just anyone can vote polls on tabloid sites. Would be very happy if someone was able to dig up more recent polls though.

I've just done the same, and can't find recent ones.
But if the Barbados Government does agree with the democratic principle, perhaps holding a referendum to decide if the people want to remove the Monarchy would be a good idea first.
Just because the Labour Party has 2/3 majority in Parliament does not mean they can abandon the democratic principle.

by **Novus America** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:18 am

Ansarre wrote:2015 Poll from Barbardos Today: 64% don't support the abolition of the monarchy. This is an undemocratic coup and it will isolate Barbados' crucial tourism industry when it is suffering so much. A distraction from the incompetence of the Mottley administration.

Although it is legitimate to criticize them for doing this without a referendum (although the people could elect monarchists if the so wish) how exact will this harm the tourist industry?

Unlike the U.K., where the national royal soap opera is associated with the country, and dies have a tourist draw, I serious doubt people go to Barbados to see the Governor General, and will not go because her title changed.

Heck I doubt most tourists even are aware Barbados has an absentee monarch on paper.

by **Celritannia** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:19 am

Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Ansarre wrote:2015 Poll from Barbardos Today: 64% don't support the abolition of the monarchy. This is an undemocratic coup and it will isolate Barbados' crucial tourism industry when it is suffering so much. A distraction from the incompetence of the Mottley administration.

Barbados has tried multiple times to abolish the monarchy through referendum, each time failed. The fact they’re doing it without a referendum now is fishy and undemocratic. I wish Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II (LMSR) would dismiss the current administration and force Barbados to hold new elections.

She can't, it would cause a constitutional crisis, just like the Governor-General of Australia tried in 1975.

by **San Lumen** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:19 am

Celritannia wrote:
Ansarre wrote:Can't find one. A few online polls over the years have been mentioned by Caribbean friends but I was told to disregard them because they're just anyone can vote polls on tabloid sites. Would be very happy if someone was able to dig up more recent polls though.

I've just done the same, and can't find recent ones.
But if the Barbados Government does agree with the democratic principle, perhaps holding a referendum to decide if the people want to remove the Monarchy would be a good idea first.
Just because the Labour Party has 2/3 majority in Parliament does not mean they can abandon the democratic principle.

Not just a two thirds majority they hold every seat in parliament.

by **Celritannia** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
Celritannia wrote:
I've just done the same, and can't find recent ones.
But if the Barbados Government does agree with the democratic principle, perhaps holding a referendum to decide if the people want to remove the Monarchy would be a good idea first.
Just because the Labour Party has 2/3 majority in Parliament does not mean they can abandon the democratic principle.

Not just a two thirds majority they hold every seat in parliament.

In the lower house, but I was refering to the Parliament as a whole, which is 2/3.

29/30 in the Assembly.
11/21 in the Senate.

by **Novus America** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:26 am

Celritannia wrote:
Albionist Great Britain wrote:
Barbados has tried multiple times to abolish the monarchy through referendum, each time failed. The fact they’re doing it without a referendum now is fishy and undemocratic. I wish Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II (LMSR) would dismiss the current administration and force Barbados to hold new elections.

She can't, it would cause a constitutional crisis, just like the Governor-General of Australia tried in 1975.

Also in that case it was the Governor General doing it on there own accord, AGAINST the advice of the Monarch.
That was not Elizabeth getting involved. Her office actually apparently told him he should NOT do it.
It was the Governor General doing his own thing, completely disregarding her.

It is therefore rather ironic for a Monarchist to support that particular thing. Especially as even though the monarch did not support it, it seriously tarnished the image of the monarchy.

If Elizabeth tried, (something that would be completely against her character) any support for the monarch would be destroyed.

Also the Governor General of Barbados has publicly supported the change, so would probably just tell the queen to STFU if the queen ordered her to do such a thing.

by **Shrillland** » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:26 am

Nimzonia wrote:
Andsed wrote:I´m guessing the OP meant that Barbados is declaring ¨total independence¨ in a symbolic sense by removing the Queen as head of state. Kinda misleading but that seems to be what they mean.

Since the OP declared that Barbados is a "dominion", I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt.

The general misconception in this thread seems to be that Barbados is subject to the British crown. It is not.

Well, for the most part I've seen people here who got what I meant. I actually didn't expect such a discussion about the merits of the British monarchy at first.

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