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Postby Punainen Suomi » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:47 pm

Immigrants in a US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention center in Georgia are being subjected to horrific conditions and treatment, including “jarring medical neglect” and a high rate of hysterectomies among women, according to a whistleblower complaint filed by several legal advocacy groups on behalf of a nurse who works there.

The nurse, Dawn Wooten, has been practicing for more than 10 years, three of which she was employed at Irwin county detention center in Georgia, which is run by private corporation LaSalle Corrections. The complaint, filed on her behalf on 14 September, accused the center of negligence, including poor safety precautions surrounding Covid-19 and generally hazardous and unsanitary conditions.

Immigrants who spoke out against these conditions were regularly pushed into solitary confinement, the complaint said. Wooten says she was demoted and reprimanded when she spoke out about these practices, according to an interview with the Intercept.

According to the new complaint, Wooten reported an alarmingly high rate of hysterectomies – a surgery in which part or all of the uterus is removed – being performed on Spanish-speaking immigrants, many of whom did not appear to understand why they had undergone the procedure.

She said an off-site doctor supposedly performed the surgeries on women who complained of heavy menstrual cycles, but that many women seemed to not understand what had happened. In many cases nurses obtained consent from patients by “simply googling Spanish”, the complaint alleges.

“Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy – just about everybody,” Wooten said. “That’s his specialty, he’s the uterus collector. Everybody’s uterus cannot be that bad.”

The complaint also alleges health and safety violations related to the procedures. One woman said she was not properly anesthetized during a procedure and overheard the doctor say he had mistakenly removed the wrong ovary, rendering her unable to have children. Another went in to have a cyst drained and ultimately got a hysterectomy instead, the complaint said.

Conditions have “only worsened” in the face of Covid-19 threats, the complaint says. The facility has refused to test detained immigrants for Covid-19 in a timely manner, concealed numbers of positive tests and mixed those who have been exposed to Covid-19 with those who have not, according to the complaint.

“There is no social distancing possible in a detention center,” said Azadeh Shahshahani, a human rights attorney at Project South. “We are calling for people to be freed immediately, and we have been calling for this facility to be shut down for a long time.”

Shahshahani said the groups also plan to file these documents to Congress as well as to the United Nations. The United Nations defines “imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group” as an act of genocide, a crime under international law.

“These are gross human rights violations, and the US government should be held accountable,” she said. She added that Irwin detention center is not unique: Project South filed similar complaints against the Stewart detention center, another location in Georgia where detainees have alleged abuse.


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So, it seems that an ICE facility in Georgia has been putting female detainees through hysterectomies without their informed consent, rendering them unable to have children. This is essentially a form of genocide, as defined by the United Nations, and as such is a crime under international law. Personally, I wish I could say I was surprised, but I have come to expect this sort of behaviour from organisations like ICE, and in my opinion this just furthers the argument that they should be permanently dismantled.

What do you think NSG? Does this constitute a crime under international law, and if so will the perpetrators be brought to justice?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:22 pm

Terrible. Even worse that it's a private prison: I'm guessing government can't even be held responsible, and when they're sued they'll mysteriously have no money. Bah.
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Postby Cordel One » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:27 pm

Are people still gonna deny these places are concentration camps?

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:31 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Terrible. Even worse that it's a private prison: I'm guessing government can't even be held responsible, and when they're sued they'll mysteriously have no money. Bah.


Yeah, this whole private prison business needs to stop, profiting from detaining people shouldn't be a thing.
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Punainen Suomi wrote:
Immigrants in a US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention center in Georgia are being subjected to horrific conditions and treatment, including “jarring medical neglect” and a high rate of hysterectomies among women, according to a whistleblower complaint filed by several legal advocacy groups on behalf of a nurse who works there.

The nurse, Dawn Wooten, has been practicing for more than 10 years, three of which she was employed at Irwin county detention center in Georgia, which is run by private corporation LaSalle Corrections. The complaint, filed on her behalf on 14 September, accused the center of negligence, including poor safety precautions surrounding Covid-19 and generally hazardous and unsanitary conditions.

Immigrants who spoke out against these conditions were regularly pushed into solitary confinement, the complaint said. Wooten says she was demoted and reprimanded when she spoke out about these practices, according to an interview with the Intercept.

According to the new complaint, Wooten reported an alarmingly high rate of hysterectomies – a surgery in which part or all of the uterus is removed – being performed on Spanish-speaking immigrants, many of whom did not appear to understand why they had undergone the procedure.

She said an off-site doctor supposedly performed the surgeries on women who complained of heavy menstrual cycles, but that many women seemed to not understand what had happened. In many cases nurses obtained consent from patients by “simply googling Spanish”, the complaint alleges.

“Everybody he sees has a hysterectomy – just about everybody,” Wooten said. “That’s his specialty, he’s the uterus collector. Everybody’s uterus cannot be that bad.”

The complaint also alleges health and safety violations related to the procedures. One woman said she was not properly anesthetized during a procedure and overheard the doctor say he had mistakenly removed the wrong ovary, rendering her unable to have children. Another went in to have a cyst drained and ultimately got a hysterectomy instead, the complaint said.

Conditions have “only worsened” in the face of Covid-19 threats, the complaint says. The facility has refused to test detained immigrants for Covid-19 in a timely manner, concealed numbers of positive tests and mixed those who have been exposed to Covid-19 with those who have not, according to the complaint.

“There is no social distancing possible in a detention center,” said Azadeh Shahshahani, a human rights attorney at Project South. “We are calling for people to be freed immediately, and we have been calling for this facility to be shut down for a long time.”

Shahshahani said the groups also plan to file these documents to Congress as well as to the United Nations. The United Nations defines “imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group” as an act of genocide, a crime under international law.

“These are gross human rights violations, and the US government should be held accountable,” she said. She added that Irwin detention center is not unique: Project South filed similar complaints against the Stewart detention center, another location in Georgia where detainees have alleged abuse.


Sources: 1, 2, 3.

So, it seems that an ICE facility in Georgia has been putting female detainees through hysterectomies without their informed consent, rendering them unable to have children. This is essentially a form of genocide, as defined by the United Nations, and as such is a crime under international law. Personally, I wish I could say I was surprised, but I have come to expect this sort of behaviour from organisations like ICE, and in my opinion this just furthers the argument that they should be permanently dismantled.

What do you think NSG? Does this constitute a crime under international law, and if so will the perpetrators be brought to justice?


Does this dude has some kind of fetish or does he have strong ideology interest in sterilizing women based on their ethnicity?
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:10 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:and in my opinion this just furthers the argument that they should be permanently dismantled.


What would the alternative be? (besides a detention centre which doesn't force hysterectomies, which should be obvious)
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:11 pm

Cordel One wrote:Are people still gonna deny these places are concentration camps?


Except that the inhabitants walked into them rather than being suddenly put on a train from inside the US.
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SD_Film Artists wrote:
Cordel One wrote:Are people still gonna deny these places are concentration camps?


Except that the inhabitants walked into them rather than being suddenly put on a train from inside the US.


They walked into these concentration camps? Like they crossed the border and found ICE and said "I would like to be imprisoned, raped, sterilized, and catch a disease, please."
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SD_Film Artists wrote:
Except that the inhabitants walked into them rather than being suddenly put on a train from inside the US.


They walked into these concentration camps? Like they crossed the border and found ICE and said "I would like to be imprisoned, raped, sterilized, and catch a disease, please."


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Punainen Suomi wrote:and in my opinion this just furthers the argument that they should be permanently dismantled.


What would the alternative be? (besides a detention centre which doesn't force hysterectomies, which should be obvious)


Put every immigrant up in a hotel while their case is made. It would literally be cheaper than incarcerating them.
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:57 am

I would say this is terrible except it's illegal migrants. And that criminal fact reduces it to just not quite nice. I still don't agree with it of course because it isn't a nice thing to do. Indeed it's positively mean. But I also do not feel the usual outrage I do when I hear of americans doing atrocities.

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What would the alternative be? (besides a detention centre which doesn't force hysterectomies, which should be obvious)


Put every immigrant up in a hotel while their case is made. It would literally be cheaper than incarcerating them.

Why would you treat criminal invaders as if they were honored guests? If anything anyone who enters illegally should be summarily rejected.
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Kowani wrote:Privatization strikes again!

>Ever heard of the Gestapo and Cheka?
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Postby Purpelia » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:59 am

Feline Goetland wrote:
Kowani wrote:Privatization strikes again!

>Ever heard of the Gestapo and Cheka?

Dictatorships are what happens when you privatize the state.
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Purpelia wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:>Ever heard of the Gestapo and Cheka?

Dictatorships are what happens when you privatize the state.


How exactly are you supposed to keep the state public then?
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Feline Goetland wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Dictatorships are what happens when you privatize the state.


How exactly are you supposed to keep the state public then?

By maintaining a functional multi party democracy in which the public has full control over who is in power and can depose them if they misbehave.
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Private prisons are asking for trouble.

That doctor sounds creepy and someone should help these women sue him for malpractice -- in addition to broader immigration reform.
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Purpelia wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:
How exactly are you supposed to keep the state public then?

By maintaining a functional multi party democracy in which the public has full control over who is in power and can depose them if they misbehave.

In theory this works. In practice given the fact that most people’s understanding of public affairs do not exist beyond simplistic Republican / Democrat slogans such as “fuck the police” and “make America great again”, how exactly is the public supposed to control them? What we do have is the bureaucracy can not go full Stalin or Xi because in this case everyone will be really mad and vote them out. However beyond that the public does not really monitor the bureaucrats that much.

One good example is local elections. How many people even vote in their town/city elections? Do people even know about the candidates? How many people even know who their current elected local leaders are and what they do?
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Purpelia wrote:I would say this is terrible except it's illegal migrants. And that criminal fact reduces it to just not quite nice. I still don't agree with it of course because it isn't a nice thing to do. Indeed it's positively mean. But I also do not feel the usual outrage I do when I hear of americans doing atrocities.

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Put every immigrant up in a hotel while their case is made. It would literally be cheaper than incarcerating them.

Why would you treat criminal invaders as if they were honored guests? If anything anyone who enters illegally should be summarily rejected.


So it's fine to fulfill one of the five forms of genocide as long as it's only done to people you dislike?
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Vassenor wrote:
Purpelia wrote:I would say this is terrible except it's illegal migrants. And that criminal fact reduces it to just not quite nice. I still don't agree with it of course because it isn't a nice thing to do. Indeed it's positively mean. But I also do not feel the usual outrage I do when I hear of americans doing atrocities.


Why would you treat criminal invaders as if they were honored guests? If anything anyone who enters illegally should be summarily rejected.


So it's fine to fulfill one of the five forms of genocide as long as it's only done to people you dislike?


Democracy empowers citizens. Hence it does require admission of new citizens to not offend existing ones too much. This is why the concept of illegal immigration exists.

However that doesn’t mean such absurd and brutal maiming of humans should ever happen.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:38 am

Purpelia wrote:I would say this is terrible except it's illegal migrants. And that criminal fact reduces it to just not quite nice. I still don't agree with it of course because it isn't a nice thing to do. Indeed it's positively mean. But I also do not feel the usual outrage I do when I hear of americans doing atrocities.


Surely it upsets you that Americans are being punished (being demoted/fired) for reporting and trying to stop crimes ?
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Juristonia wrote:Nightmare fuel.

It really is. This is just fucking horrible.
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