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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:16 pm

Willtime wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:
Why is it true that there are no opposition parties in China? Globally this is a highly unusual phenomenon.


We have,too small.
Why is it true that there are only two parties in US?Globally this is a highly unusual phenomenon.
Guess there is no usual phenomenon.


...No, that's unusual too.

Unless you really think America is the gold standard for democracy. If so, you may be stuck in the 1950s.

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I know I do.

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Huh. But why though?


Don't like the religion. Don't have a problem with the people, though. I have a factbook that explains more if you like. Otherwise it's not relevant to the topic at hand.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:16 pm

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Lol. Are you aware that Libertarians and Greens exist?

But are they really reasonable alternatives?

I would vote for Jesse Ventura 10/10 times. At least he's honest.
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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:17 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Willtime wrote:

The fastest way to stop communication.

Do you know what happened from June 1 to June 5, 1989 in Tiananmen Square?


I KNOW.
But in the burned soldiers's perspective.
Or in the ordinary students's perspective,which are betrayed and abandoned by their opinion leaders.
Do their opinion leaders tell you all of that?
I guess not.

Why opinion leader can escape first?

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Postby Fnargland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:17 pm

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:It's the classic 'heritage beats oppression' mentality. They learn that Hitler opposed communism, and they don't like the CCP, so one thing leads to another.

I despise the communism and the Chinese communists as well, as I have made abundantly clear, and I don’t, in any way, condone the growing trend in Mongolia, but after seeing headlines like these, I can at least understand why literal Nazism is on the rise there

I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.

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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:17 pm

Fnargland wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:
Lol. Are you aware that Libertarians and Greens exist?

But are they really reasonable alternatives?


They aren’t. Both major parties are really big tent so popular views do tend to change both parties, causing policy shifts.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:17 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Amazing how the genocide trend has stayed fresh in the PRC for over 70 years. Gotta hand it to them for so much dedication.

The Chinese Communist leaders are sadists who enjoy killing people just for the fun of it, almost every communist leader in history has been one and these are no exception
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:17 pm

Fnargland wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:I despise the communism and the Chinese communists as well, as I have made abundantly clear, and I don’t, in any way, condone the growing trend in Mongolia, but after seeing headlines like these, I can at least understand why literal Nazism is on the rise there

I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.


Lehi at least had a nice anthem. I love Hayalim Almonim. Moreover they were fascists, not Nazis.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:19 pm

Willtime wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Do you know what happened from June 1 to June 5, 1989 in Tiananmen Square?


I KNOW.
But in the burned soldiers's perspective.
Or in the ordinary students's perspective,which are betrayed and abandoned by their opinion leaders.
Do their opinion leaders tell you all of that?
I guess not.

Why opinion leader can escape first?


Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.
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Postby Fnargland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:19 pm

Feline Goetland wrote:
Fnargland wrote:But are they really reasonable alternatives?


They aren’t. Both major parties are really big tent so popular views do tend to change both parties, causing policy shifts.

Admittedly I’m currently politically homeless until paleogeolibertarianism becomes popular

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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:19 pm

Fnargland wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:I despise the communism and the Chinese communists as well, as I have made abundantly clear, and I don’t, in any way, condone the growing trend in Mongolia, but after seeing headlines like these, I can at least understand why literal Nazism is on the rise there

I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.

"Nazis" in Mongolia just waves around Hitler, but most don’t know what his core beliefs were, they like him for his anti-communism

Oh and fuck Chinese communists, did I say that?
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Postby Fnargland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:20 pm

Feline Goetland wrote:
Fnargland wrote:I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.


Lehi at least had a nice anthem. I love Hayalim Almonim. Moreover they were fascists, not Nazis.

True, and later they tried to get Stalin to support them by becoming National Bolsheviks

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:20 pm

Fnargland wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:I despise the communism and the Chinese communists as well, as I have made abundantly clear, and I don’t, in any way, condone the growing trend in Mongolia, but after seeing headlines like these, I can at least understand why literal Nazism is on the rise there

I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.


Hitler: "Slavs are inferior."
Russian Neo-Nazis: "White Power! Heil Hitler!"

It's amazing how few people actually study history.
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:20 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Fnargland wrote:I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.


Hitler: "Slavs are inferior."
Russian Neo-Nazis: "White Power! Heil Hitler!"

It's amazing how few people actually study history.

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Fnargland wrote:I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.

"Nazis" in Mongolia just waves around Hitler, but most don’t know what his core beliefs were, they like him for his anti-communism

Oh and fuck Chinese communists, did I say that?
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Trump supporter
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:23 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Willtime wrote:
I KNOW.
But in the burned soldiers's perspective.
Or in the ordinary students's perspective,which are betrayed and abandoned by their opinion leaders.
Do their opinion leaders tell you all of that?
I guess not.

Why opinion leader can escape first?


Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.


I can translate for him. What he meant is that the protest leaders got out of the Tiananmen Square before the troops entered while ordinary students did not and got mowed down.

Of course the democracy activists in China are usually also assholes themselves. This is why they collaborate with the regime after getting their refugee status.
Last edited by Feline Goetland on Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:23 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Fnargland wrote:I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.


Hitler: "Slavs are inferior."
Russian Neo-Nazis: "White Power! Heil Hitler!"

It's amazing how few people actually study history.


It’s a useful symbol to the Russian skinheads.
Last edited by Feline Goetland on Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:23 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Willtime wrote:
We have,too small.
Why is it true that there are only two parties in US?Globally this is a highly unusual phenomenon.
Guess there is no usual phenomenon.


...No, that's unusual too.

Unless you really think America is the gold standard for democracy. If so, you may be stuck in the 1950s.

[quote="Greater Cesnica";p="37649228"][quote="Trollzyn the Infinite";p="37649219"]

Well,about ten years before,or twenty years before,many of us(including me) truely believed in 'America is the gold standard for democracy'.
Now I dont do it,but when I was younger,I thought America the best.
There is a man(He call himself a poet,I dont think he know about poems)
He writes that 'As we all will die,I would rather die under America's bombs'

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Postby Fnargland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:24 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Fnargland wrote:I always find non-Germanic nazis hilarious, want a barrel of laughs? Look up the stern gang.


Hitler: "Slavs are inferior."
Russian Neo-Nazis: "White Power! Heil Hitler!"

It's amazing how few people actually study history.

Yeah it is amazing how ignorant some people can be, like anyone that serious votes for Zhirinovsky the half-Jewish antisemite

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:25 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Willtime wrote:
I KNOW.
But in the burned soldiers's perspective.
Or in the ordinary students's perspective,which are betrayed and abandoned by their opinion leaders.
Do their opinion leaders tell you all of that?
I guess not.

Why opinion leader can escape first?


Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.


There's a narrative that has arisen lately in China over Tiananmen that the students were a violent mob, substantiated by a video of a petrol bomb being thrown at an armoured vehicle. Whether the video is even real or not, it's a new narrative that seems to have arisen from the situation in HK, and fair enough copied around the world, that is to detract from the actual issues by painting any protest as a violent mob killing authorities, as opposed to violence breaking out due to suppression of dissent by those authorities.

It seems an easy tactic, suppress the issue, crack down on protestors to drive a riposte and then paint them all as violent mobsters out of control.

Worked for the Nazis, works for the CCP, works for authoritative forces across the world, even Trump uses it unsurprisingly.
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Postby Feline Goetland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:25 pm

Fnargland wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Hitler: "Slavs are inferior."
Russian Neo-Nazis: "White Power! Heil Hitler!"

It's amazing how few people actually study history.

Yeah it is amazing how ignorant some people can be, like anyone that serious votes for Zhirinovsky the half-Jewish antisemite


Lol yeah.
Goetland is not China.

China as a state is inherently evil which needs to be rectified by oppressed nations controlled by it regaining our righteous independence just like the independence of Finland, Baltic States, Poland and Ukraine from iterations of the Russian empire.

No more anti-Anglo, antisemitic and anti-Japanese nonsense, no more communist party, no more theft of wealth from Wu-speaking lands by Beijing, no more Boxer Rebellion-style xenophobia and it’s modern successors. America, Israel and Japan are inherently awesome.

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:28 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.


There's a narrative that has arisen lately in China over Tiananmen that the students were a violent mob, substantiated by a video of a petrol bomb being thrown at an armoured vehicle. Whether the video is even real or not, it's a new narrative that seems to have arisen from the situation in HK, and fair enough copied around the world, that is to detract from the actual issues by painting any protest as a violent mob killing authorities, as opposed to violence breaking out due to suppression of dissent by those authorities.

It seems an easy tactic, suppress the issue, crack down on protestors to drive a riposte and then paint them all as violent mobsters out of control.

Worked for the Nazis, works for the CCP, works for authoritative forces across the world, even Trump uses it unsurprisingly.


Guess they got tired of saying "Never happened!" so they just switched to saying "Okay it happened but it was actually bad!".
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Postby Fnargland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:29 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.


There's a narrative that has arisen lately in China over Tiananmen that the students were a violent mob, substantiated by a video of a petrol bomb being thrown at an armoured vehicle. Whether the video is even real or not, it's a new narrative that seems to have arisen from the situation in HK, and fair enough copied around the world, that is to detract from the actual issues by painting any protest as a violent mob killing authorities, as opposed to violence breaking out due to suppression of dissent by those authorities.

It seems an easy tactic, suppress the issue, crack down on protestors to drive a riposte and then paint them all as violent mobsters out of control.

Worked for the Nazis, works for the CCP, works for authoritative forces across the world, even Trump uses it unsurprisingly.

All we can do is put the truth out there and hope someone is listening

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Postby Fnargland » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:32 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
There's a narrative that has arisen lately in China over Tiananmen that the students were a violent mob, substantiated by a video of a petrol bomb being thrown at an armoured vehicle. Whether the video is even real or not, it's a new narrative that seems to have arisen from the situation in HK, and fair enough copied around the world, that is to detract from the actual issues by painting any protest as a violent mob killing authorities, as opposed to violence breaking out due to suppression of dissent by those authorities.

It seems an easy tactic, suppress the issue, crack down on protestors to drive a riposte and then paint them all as violent mobsters out of control.

Worked for the Nazis, works for the CCP, works for authoritative forces across the world, even Trump uses it unsurprisingly.


Guess they got tired of saying "Never happened!" so they just switched to saying "Okay it happened but it was actually bad!".

Slightly better than out right denying it, at this rate in a thousand years the CCP will finally realize the humans have natural rights

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:32 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
There's a narrative that has arisen lately in China over Tiananmen that the students were a violent mob, substantiated by a video of a petrol bomb being thrown at an armoured vehicle. Whether the video is even real or not, it's a new narrative that seems to have arisen from the situation in HK, and fair enough copied around the world, that is to detract from the actual issues by painting any protest as a violent mob killing authorities, as opposed to violence breaking out due to suppression of dissent by those authorities.

It seems an easy tactic, suppress the issue, crack down on protestors to drive a riposte and then paint them all as violent mobsters out of control.

Worked for the Nazis, works for the CCP, works for authoritative forces across the world, even Trump uses it unsurprisingly.


Guess they got tired of saying "Never happened!" so they just switched to saying "Okay it happened but it was actually bad!".


Basically.. first it was just an 'incident', now it's a crackdown on a violent mob. Same for the Uighers, suppress their culture for ages and then use the response of terrorist incidents to crack down on the entire population. Xi Jinping seems to have a real hard on for this idea of One China unified under his personal rule, which is why Taiwan is now so on the radar, why HK has become an issue, even in Guangdong they had riots over suppressing Cantonese back in 2012.. he seems to have identified language as the key to controlling the nation.

If everyone's speaking, hearing and reading Mandarin in simplified Chinese then the control is complete.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:37 pm

Fnargland wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Guess they got tired of saying "Never happened!" so they just switched to saying "Okay it happened but it was actually bad!".

Slightly better than out right denying it, at this rate in a thousand years the CCP will finally realize the humans have natural rights


"The humans"... you make them sound like lizardmen. Which would definitely explain why they're so cold-blooded.
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Postby Willtime » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:37 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Willtime wrote:
I KNOW.
But in the burned soldiers's perspective.
Or in the ordinary students's perspective,which are betrayed and abandoned by their opinion leaders.
Do their opinion leaders tell you all of that?
I guess not.

Why opinion leader can escape first?


Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.


At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.
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