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Postby Mirjt » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:54 pm

Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:01 pm

Mirjt wrote:I am confused, I thought Mongolia was an independent state that bordered China and Russia, how does China have any power to do that to Mongolian citizens and people? Is "South Mongolia" a portion of Mongolia that is within the Chinese borders and not within the Mongolian state borders, and therefore subjecting the South Mongolians to Chinese rule?

Even so, I do not doubt that this is happening. I just find it depressing that the Chinese government is persecuting all non-Han Chinese peoples.


Inner Mongolia is a province of China, Mongolia is a separate country, also known as Outer Mongolia. There was a quiz show years back where the question was 'What is the capital of Mongolia', to which the response was 'Inner or Outer?'. The show host and producers huddled for a while as to how to address this and then went back with 'What is the capital of Mongolia, either Inner or Outer will do', to which the guy replied 'Pass..'.
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Postby Feline Goetland » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:06 pm

Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?



All temperate peoples can potentially be very nasty. You actually get more casual violence and less large scale genocides in humid, tropical areas. Temperate peoples are the opposite. Germans can be disciplined among themselves but at the same time would go and genocide the Herero in South-West Africa. Same for Japanese and Chinese: peaceful when not allowed to kill people but when allowed..
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:08 pm

Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?


China is more racist imo because they are very strict about who is and isn't cool. In America it was white supremacy, but in China it's Han Chuevanism, which means if you aren't Han Chinese, you aren't Kosher. You can look exactly like a Han person but if you aren't Han, it's curtains. America wasn't that restrictive since like 1790.
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Postby Rusozak » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:08 pm

Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?


That's kind of my point. America has blood on it's hands, but it's never like, actively tried to exterminate a people or culture. If they have done so, it was a side effect of arrogance and disregard for other people, but not necessarily a purposeful and organized attempt to wipe people out. America wasn't *trying* to systematically purge the native American races, it just kind of happened as a byproduct of westward expansion. America has mass incarceration, police brutality, rampant racism and ignorance, and a very concerning cultural inclination towards violence. But they don't have death camps. I'm not sure I can say the same of China.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:33 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nilrahrarfan wrote:And yet the NBA and Blizzard still want to deal with China. Why would they do business in a country that commits cultural genocide and at one point banned you from having a second child?!


The NBA: Black Lives Matter. Black rights are human rights.

Also the NBA: You commit racist oppression against minorities? We'll still do business with you.


The NBA: 1) We will support BLM because we will then get more black fans and more Hippie fans. 2) We will never criticize China because we know that as soon as we do the China govt. will pull all merchandise and block all NBA coverage. 3) The Han Chinese population is MUCH higher than the Mongol population and financially it is a bad idea to upset the Han Chinese.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:49 pm

Feline Goetland wrote:
Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?



All temperate peoples can potentially be very nasty. You actually get more casual violence and less large scale genocides in humid, tropical areas. Temperate peoples are the opposite. Germans can be disciplined among themselves but at the same time would go and genocide the Herero in South-West Africa. Same for Japanese and Chinese: peaceful when not allowed to kill people but when allowed..

...The Herero and Namqua genocide didn't happen 'cause it was too fucking hot, it happened 'cause the Germans didn't see either of those tribes as fully human. The global south is more violent because it is poor, not because it's hot. The same reason you see more casual violence compared to genocides (a historically inaccurate take, looking at the history of the Pygmies, the Mfecane, etc) there is because of the lack of wealth, which leads to a lack of infrastructure. You could possibly make an argument that heat makes large-scale centralization more difficult, but then you have to drop the humid portion, which sucks for your racism.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:34 am

Rusozak wrote:
Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?


That's kind of my point. America has blood on it's hands, but it's never like, actively tried to exterminate a people or culture. If they have done so, it was a side effect of arrogance and disregard for other people, but not necessarily a purposeful and organized attempt to wipe people out. America wasn't *trying* to systematically purge the native American races, it just kind of happened as a byproduct of westward expansion. America has mass incarceration, police brutality, rampant racism and ignorance, and a very concerning cultural inclination towards violence. But they don't have death camps. I'm not sure I can say the same of China.

Well. You could make a very good argument that the Indian Schools were an attempt to wipe out many cultures.
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Postby Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:48 am

Kowani wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:

All temperate peoples can potentially be very nasty. You actually get more casual violence and less large scale genocides in humid, tropical areas. Temperate peoples are the opposite. Germans can be disciplined among themselves but at the same time would go and genocide the Herero in South-West Africa. Same for Japanese and Chinese: peaceful when not allowed to kill people but when allowed..

...The Herero and Namqua genocide didn't happen 'cause it was too fucking hot, it happened 'cause the Germans didn't see either of those tribes as fully human. The global south is more violent because it is poor, not because it's hot. The same reason you see more casual violence compared to genocides (a historically inaccurate take, looking at the history of the Pygmies, the Mfecane, etc) there is because of the lack of wealth, which leads to a lack of infrastructure. You could possibly make an argument that heat makes large-scale centralization more difficult, but then you have to drop the humid portion, which sucks for your racism.


Please read my arguments.

I said that temperate peoples are generally less willing to commit casual violence while MORE willing to commit full-scale large genocide compared to tropical peoples. So Herero genocide by Germany was a manifestation of the phenomenon.
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Postby Vivolkha » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:35 am

Nilrahrarfan wrote:
Feline Goetland wrote:https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-ccps-cultural-genocide-inner-mongolia

The so-called “People’s” Republic of China has recently gone even more absurd than what it used to be. Recently it began to require ethnic Mongol middle school students to take three key courses full of propaganda in Mandarin instead of Mongolian, that is, Language & literature aka philology, politics (lol that’s a pure propaganda course) and history (muh China rulez. Muh Japan sucks etc)

If you have time please click on the link above and sign the petition so that there will be at least 100,000 signatures. Really thanks!

And yet the NBA and Blizzard still want to deal with China. Why would they do business in a country that commits cultural genocide and at one point banned you from having a second child?!

Money. China has an enormous internal market with 1.4 billion potential consumers (18% of world population!).

Salus Maior wrote:I think it's safe to say that if you're not a Han, and are not practicing an approved religion, you're getting genocided and culturally deprived in China.

There are no real "approved" religions in China. Just some are more tolerated than others. Non-atheists are discriminated against within the CCP.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:39 am

Feline Goetland wrote:
Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?



All temperate peoples can potentially be very nasty. You actually get more casual violence and less large scale genocides in humid, tropical areas. Temperate peoples are the opposite. Germans can be disciplined among themselves but at the same time would go and genocide the Herero in South-West Africa. Same for Japanese and Chinese: peaceful when not allowed to kill people but when allowed..


I mean are Latin Americans temperate people or not? Cause there's alot of violence in our community and alot of really fucked up violence at that.

I mean have you seen what happens to victims of Mara Salvatrucha half the time? Jeez.
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Postby Kexholm and Karelia » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:29 am

Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?

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Postby Mirjt » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:18 am

Kexholm and Karelia wrote:
Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.

Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?

You sound like Erdogan


Erdogan is an authoritarian leader who is openly antisemitic and homophobic. I am arguing that it is pointless to try and compare which genocide is more humane, no genocide is humane, all genocide is evil regardless of its individual features and details. China's genocidal behavior being described as worst than America's make no sense, both have done and are doing genocidal activities, regardless if it is 1 million people dead or 2 million people dead, regardless if it is rooted in a millenia long bigotry or a centries long bigotry, makes no difference, they are both unacceptable.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:32 am

Feline Goetland wrote:
Kowani wrote:...The Herero and Namqua genocide didn't happen 'cause it was too fucking hot, it happened 'cause the Germans didn't see either of those tribes as fully human. The global south is more violent because it is poor, not because it's hot. The same reason you see more casual violence compared to genocides (a historically inaccurate take, looking at the history of the Pygmies, the Mfecane, etc) there is because of the lack of wealth, which leads to a lack of infrastructure. You could possibly make an argument that heat makes large-scale centralization more difficult, but then you have to drop the humid portion, which sucks for your racism.


Please read my arguments.

I said that temperate peoples are generally less willing to commit casual violence while MORE willing to commit full-scale large genocide compared to tropical peoples. So Herero genocide by Germany was a manifestation of the phenomenon.

I did, it just happened thay your arguments were shit.
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Mirjt wrote:
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:You sound like Erdogan


Erdogan is an authoritarian leader who is openly antisemitic and homophobic. I am arguing that it is pointless to try and compare which genocide is more humane, no genocide is humane, all genocide is evil regardless of its individual features and details. China's genocidal behavior being described as worst than America's make no sense, both have done and are doing genocidal activities, regardless if it is 1 million people dead or 2 million people dead, regardless if it is rooted in a millenia long bigotry or a centries long bigotry, makes no difference, they are both unacceptable.

Erdogan used American whataboutism to deflect criticism from the Armenian genocide

And I’m not saying you're a paid Chinese troll or something, but your posts are repeating almost word-for-word Chinese Communist propaganda on the Uighurs
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