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Willtime wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.

At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.

Willtime wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Literally what does this even mean? You need a better grasp on English, friend.

At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.

Bombadil wrote:

Willtime wrote:
At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.

What bullshit reframing of the truth.

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:

Willtime wrote:
At that time,the 'protesters' killed soldiers,and burned soldiers's body.
The soldiers were ordered not to shot.
Only the best would neither fight back or escape,then they were killed.

There were four or five groups between the 'protesters'.
Every time they had a consensus to talk with the government,one of them would have a more radical opinion,then there were no consensus and talk until the next consensus.And the more radical opinion.

When government tried to stop the talk and clean the square——the opinion leaders told followers to fight back.For themselves,opinion leaders just escaped before that day.
No matter what happened in that day,the young students were used as a weapon.

Nice propaganda.

Now for what really happened: protesters demanded democracy peacefully, government told them to disperse, they refused, government butchered them in the streets.

The CCP can spin the story however they want. The truth has been known for almost 30 years. Your government is lying to you. It does that a lot, actually. To everyone as a matter of fact. Just like how they lied about environmental initiatives to the UN. Or COVID-19 to WHO. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

If you're buying into their lies then you're just gullible. If you don't care either way, you're as bad as them.

Willtime wrote:

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Nice propaganda.

Now for what really happened: protesters demanded democracy peacefully, government told them to disperse, they refused, government butchered them in the streets.

The CCP can spin the story however they want. The truth has been known for almost 30 years. Your government is lying to you. It does that a lot, actually. To everyone as a matter of fact. Just like how they lied about environmental initiatives to the UN. Or COVID-19 to WHO. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

If you're buying into their lies then you're just gullible. If you don't care either way, you're as bad as them.

Ok,just stop it.

But I want to know another thing.
What is the 'COVID-19 to WHO'
I mean,in your view,China said what to WHO?

Fnargland wrote:

Willtime wrote:
Ok,just stop it.

But I want to know another thing.
What is the 'COVID-19 to WHO'
I mean,in your view,China said what to WHO?

He’s saying that China failed to tell the world health organization about COVID until it was too late for them to do anything about it.

Willtime wrote:

Fnargland wrote:He’s saying that China failed to tell the world health organization about COVID until it was too late for them to do anything about it.

Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?

Kiu Ghesik wrote:

Willtime wrote:
Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?

Not letting in foreign scientists to assist in analyzing the virus, for one.
Not giving out their own analysis until well after it had jumped to other nations, to another.
Falsifying records distributed to the international community, for a third.

Willtime wrote:

Fnargland wrote:He’s saying that China failed to tell the world health organization about COVID until it was too late for them to do anything about it.

Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?

Willtime wrote:

Kiu Ghesik wrote:Not letting in foreign scientists to assist in analyzing the virus, for one.
Not giving out their own analysis until well after it had jumped to other nations, to another.
Falsifying records distributed to the international community, for a third.

What is the time 'it had jumped to other nations' as you know?
And how much time do scientists need to make an analysis?

Kiu Ghesik wrote:

Willtime wrote:
What is the time 'it had jumped to other nations' as you know?
And how much time do scientists need to make an analysis?

As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks. And it first jumped early February, maybe late January, according to some estimates. The Chinese didn't release their data until late February.

Greater Cesnica wrote:Wait so did Willtime ever get back to us on his thoughts concerning the Uighurs?

Bombadil wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Wait so did Willtime ever get back to us on his thoughts concerning the Uighurs?

I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..

Bombadil wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Wait so did Willtime ever get back to us on his thoughts concerning the Uighurs?

I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Kiu Ghesik wrote:As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks. And it first jumped early February, maybe late January, according to some estimates. The Chinese didn't release their data until late February.

>As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks.

Yeah Willtime's gonna say the West lies lmao.

Feline Goetland wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..

Exactly. That’s the CCP narrative. Also the Uyghur culture is “primitive” and needs to be modernized through Sinicization.

Feline Goetland wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
I can tell you the narrative, the Uighers were a bunch of terrorists blowing up train stations and so of course mass security and re-education is necessary, it provides them with greater job opportunities and less inclination to be terroristic mobs.

Apparently..

Exactly. That’s the CCP narrative. Also the Uyghur culture is “primitive” and needs to be modernized through Sinicization.

Bombadil wrote:

Feline Goetland wrote:
Exactly. That’s the CCP narrative. Also the Uyghur culture is “primitive” and needs to be modernized through Sinicization.

Frankly they should be showing far greater gratitude for all that's being done for them.

Bombadil wrote:

Willtime wrote:
Well,what is the time 'too late'?
China lockdowned Wuhan in Jan23,is that time too late?

Well yes given some 5 million people escaped from Wuhan then yes. To be fair China probably reacted similar to many other countries except.. except they blocked out Taiwan from the WHO and continue to do so when the world could learn a great deal from how Taiwan reacted, which included alerting the WHO as to human to human transmission even as China was denying it.

That is, I don't know if many countries would have reacted too differently or managed it better, but Taiwan should be admitted to WHO.

Willtime wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
Well yes given some 5 million people escaped from Wuhan then yes. To be fair China probably reacted similar to many other countries except.. except they blocked out Taiwan from the WHO and continue to do so when the world could learn a great deal from how Taiwan reacted, which included alerting the WHO as to human to human transmission even as China was denying it.

That is, I don't know if many countries would have reacted too differently or managed it better, but Taiwan should be admitted to WHO.

There are a total of 90,718 patients in China, including cured and dead.
68139 of them in Hubei,50340 of them in Wuhan.(Wuhan is the capital of Hubei)
Taiwan has a population about 23,600,000,and 500 patients.
China has a population about 1,400,000,000,and without Hubei,which has 60,000,000,there is 1,340,000,000 left.
1,340,000,000 to 23,600,000,22579 to 500.
That means Taiwan do it as well as other provinces.

China made a big mistake in Wuhan,and when China tried to fix that mistake,you see the result.
There are many countries dont learn from China(even after Jan23),of course they wont.
Why do you believe in that they will learn from Taiwan?

Willtime wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
Well yes given some 5 million people escaped from Wuhan then yes. To be fair China probably reacted similar to many other countries except.. except they blocked out Taiwan from the WHO and continue to do so when the world could learn a great deal from how Taiwan reacted, which included alerting the WHO as to human to human transmission even as China was denying it.

That is, I don't know if many countries would have reacted too differently or managed it better, but Taiwan should be admitted to WHO.

There are a total of 90,718 patients in China, including cured and dead.
68139 of them in Hubei,50340 of them in Wuhan.(Wuhan is the capital of Hubei)
Taiwan has a population about 23,600,000,and 500 patients.
China has a population about 1,400,000,000,and without Hubei,which has 60,000,000,there is 1,340,000,000 left.
1,340,000,000 to 23,600,000,22579 to 500.
That means Taiwan do it as well as other provinces.

China made a big mistake in Wuhan,and when China tried to fix that mistake,you see the result.
There are many countries dont learn from China(even after Jan23),of course they wont.
Why do you believe in that they will learn from Taiwan?

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Kiu Ghesik wrote:As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks. And it first jumped early February, maybe late January, according to some estimates. The Chinese didn't release their data until late February.

>As evidence in the US and Europe shows, weeks.

Yeah Willtime's gonna say the West lies lmao.

Bombadil wrote:

Willtime wrote:
There are a total of 90,718 patients in China, including cured and dead.
68139 of them in Hubei,50340 of them in Wuhan.(Wuhan is the capital of Hubei)
Taiwan has a population about 23,600,000,and 500 patients.
China has a population about 1,400,000,000,and without Hubei,which has 60,000,000,there is 1,340,000,000 left.
1,340,000,000 to 23,600,000,22579 to 500.
That means Taiwan do it as well as other provinces.

China made a big mistake in Wuhan,and when China tried to fix that mistake,you see the result.
There are many countries dont learn from China(even after Jan23),of course they wont.
Why do you believe in that they will learn from Taiwan?

Well that very much assumes those figures are correct. Seems odd to me that some 5M people can escape from Wuhan with so little transmission in other provinces. Anyone looking at China data can see it doesn't make much sense given the ease and stubbornness with which this virus spreads.

What we can learn from Taiwan is the number one factor in considering the response to a virus which is: don't trust anything China is saying and act accordingly.