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Posted: **Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:22 pm**

Page wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Her body, her choice?

These are the kinds of things that will happen all the time in a world where abortion is banned.

My guess is that she 1) needed help and couldn't get it, probably because she couldn't afford it and 2) didn't know about safe havens, otherwise she would have brought the baby to one of those spots. I don't suppose you support teenagers learning about their right to surrender a baby at a hospital or a fire station in sex ed? And I don't suppose you support the construction of baby boxes so that one can do that completely anonymously?

https://siecus.org/state_profile/new-me ... e-profile/

Says you ,page, are right in your assumptions that school probably didn't include the hospital/ fire station/ baby boxes.

Really, school should hand out menstrual trackers app links ( ob site has one online, flo is a nice app for your phone, menstruation tracker too etc). Most have a supportive user forum where you can ask questions, share stories etc.
Tracking your cycle provides health insights and can give you a feeling of control.

Posted: **Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:10 pm**

Jinggangshan wrote:My countries regulations are quite adequate, though that religiously affiliated hospitals still can refuse to perform abortions while receiving government funding should be stamped out. Hell, religious schools and hospitals should not exist in general, let them peddle their garbage somewhere else.

What is your country?

Posted: **Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:23 pm**

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Jinggangshan wrote:My countries regulations are quite adequate, though that religiously affiliated hospitals still can refuse to perform abortions while receiving government funding should be stamped out. Hell, religious schools and hospitals should not exist in general, let them peddle their garbage somewhere else.

What is your country?

Germany.

Posted: **Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:09 pm**

https://abc7ny.com/abortion-roe-v-wade- ... /11463954/

New Jersey governor signs bills codifying Roe vs Wade into law.

Posted: **Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:42 am**

San Lumen wrote:https://abc7ny.com/abortion-roe-v-wade-new-jersey-phil-murphy/11463954/

New Jersey governor signs bills codifying Roe vs Wade into law.

I shall consider pausing in my agitation for Pennsylvania to reclaim its rightful coastline.

Posted: **Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:57 pm**

Stellar Colonies wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://abc7ny.com/abortion-roe-v-wade-new-jersey-phil-murphy/11463954/

New Jersey governor signs bills codifying Roe vs Wade into law.

I shall consider pausing in my agitation for Pennsylvania to reclaim its rightful coastline.

Ooh, kicking them back to Europe?

Because everyone stole USA from the indigenous people.

Posted: **Wed Jan 19, 2022 9:27 am**

Stellar Colonies wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://abc7ny.com/abortion-roe-v-wade-new-jersey-phil-murphy/11463954/

New Jersey governor signs bills codifying Roe vs Wade into law.

I shall consider pausing in my agitation for Pennsylvania to reclaim its rightful coastline.

huh? What is this supposed to mean?

Posted: **Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:21 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:I shall consider pausing in my agitation for Pennsylvania to reclaim its rightful coastline.

huh? What is this supposed to mean?

That they have decided to treat New Jersey as more than a target of conquest by Pennsylvania. I’m fairly certain this is in jest.

Fairly certain.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:01 pm**

Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:04 pm**

Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Because, of course, people who aren't "sufficiently mature" are definitely ready for parenthood.

Ugh.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:07 pm**

mfw you are apparently "mature" if you have a car and a driver's license.
meanwhile nobody renting out cars would think of renting one to a 20 year old without a lot of extra charges.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2022 5:44 pm**

Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

You're immature, here have a child.

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:26 pm**

Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Did they arrive at the decision in time for it to matter?

Posted: **Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:40 pm**

Dogmeat wrote:
Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Did they arrive at the decision in time for it to matter?

"court shall render its decision on the appeal as expeditiously as possible and no later than 7 days from the transmittal of the record.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:03 am**

Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:12 am**

The New California Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

Am I the only one who finds it criminal that a 17 year old works 26/ 32 hours a week besides going to highschool?

And she has no health insurance because the parents refuse to put her on theirs?

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:21 am**

Thepeopl wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

Am I the only one who finds it criminal that a 17 year old works 26/ 32 hours a week besides going to highschool?

And she has no health insurance because the parents refuse to put her on theirs?

Yes there are other elements to this case that are just really bad, and it seems if anything that she's actually doing the very best that she possibly can given her home and life circumstances, in contrast to what that first judge thought.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:49 am**

The New California Republic wrote:
Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

One of the "reasons" that judge guy raised was literally "she doesn't own a car or a driver's license so she's not mature enough".

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 3:02 am**

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Good, I suspect the original judge just used that as an excuse, as according to the court documents she is totally compos mentis and is able to make reasoned arguments for her decision on the basis of evidence available to her and awareness of her circumstances, so not quite sure what the original judge was using in his benchmarks.

One of the "reasons" that judge guy raised was literally "she doesn't own a car or a driver's license so she's not mature enough".

My mom also doesn't own a car or a driver's license.

She's 70+.

That's a weird argument.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:18 am**

Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

If a 17-year-old commits a crime, we are disposed to go more lightly on them because the decision-making part of the brain is not fully developed yet. Is this not as serious a matter as shoplifting?

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:47 am**

Elwher wrote:
Kowani wrote:Florida appeals court overrules judge who refused to let a 17-year-old terminate her pregnancy because she was not "sufficiently mature." (2-1)

If a 17-year-old commits a crime, we are disposed to go more lightly on them because the decision-making part of the brain is not fully developed yet. Is this not as serious a matter as shoplifting?

Your reply doesn't really make any sense in relation to what you are replying to. Are you sure you know what is happening in the quoted case?

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:33 pm**

The New California Republic wrote:
Elwher wrote:
If a 17-year-old commits a crime, we are disposed to go more lightly on them because the decision-making part of the brain is not fully developed yet. Is this not as serious a matter as shoplifting?

Your reply doesn't really make any sense in relation to what you are replying to. Are you sure you know what is happening in the quoted case?

It is not necessarily about the specific case, but the concept of sufficient maturity and the legal system. If a 17-year-old is not sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of shoplifting, is one sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of an abortion?

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:35 pm**

Elwher wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Your reply doesn't really make any sense in relation to what you are replying to. Are you sure you know what is happening in the quoted case?

It is not necessarily about the specific case, but the concept of sufficient maturity and the legal system. If a 17-year-old is not sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of shoplifting, is one sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of an abortion?

...I think it would be obvious that the consequences of an abortion are far, far simpler to understand than the consequences of fucking childbirth. Good grief.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:37 pm**

Elwher wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Your reply doesn't really make any sense in relation to what you are replying to. Are you sure you know what is happening in the quoted case?

It is not necessarily about the specific case, but the concept of sufficient maturity and the legal system. If a 17-year-old is not sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of shoplifting, is one sufficiently mature to understand the consequences of an abortion?

If one is not sufficiently mature to understand shoplifting is one sufficiently mature to have a child? Absent some extraordinary evidence I don't see it often being the case that a person can get pregnant and not have the capacity to choose to get an abortion.

Posted: **Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:40 pm**

Once again Science provides the answer Instead abortions babies can be provided with Synthetic wombs to provide the populace with healthy productive citizens. Providing artificial wombs might be an answer to abortions.

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