[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

It doesn't make the slightest difference whether the anti-abortion faction has the most sincerely good intentions or is misogynistic to the core, because the impact of anti-abortion policies being made into law doesn't change based on intentions. Indeed, people who think themselves as honestly trying to do good are as a whole responsible for more suffering in this world than the selfish, spiteful, and malicious people.

Consequences matter, not intent. If you hit me with your car it doesn't make the slightest damn difference to me whether you were driving drunk or had a seizure or you were trying to get a dying person to a hospital or you hit me deliberately because you joined ISIS and wanted to run people over to commit terrorism. My injuries are the same in all cases.

The important issue is bodily autonomy and reducing economic oppression, both objectives that are best advanced by legal and safe abortion.

I do agree. I’ll also point out that there are policies the pro-life crowd could take that would reduce abortions by a much greater degree… WITHOUT disrupting anyone’s rights in the doing.

I just wish they didn’t fixate on outright bans so much.

[Great Algerstonia]

All abortions should be punished with the death penalty

[Ifreann]

Pro-lifers generally view abortion as a terrible evil, so it shouldn't be surprising that they often want to start from a position of it being banned and maybe permitting some abortions in extreme circumstances.

ETA: See?

[Godular]

All abortions should be punished with the death penalty

Welp, there goes anybody who had a failure to implant, or a spontaneous miscarriage, or a stillbirth...

Yeah, that noise of yers can get most righteously fucked.

Pro-lifers generally view abortion as a terrible evil, so it shouldn't be surprising that they often want to start from a position of it being banned and maybe permitting some abortions in extreme circumstances.

ETA: See?

I mean, that's really a microcosm of far-right 'compromise' as a whole. They basically make their own position so phenomenally and absurdly extreme that even a total capitulation would seem like a compromise.

[The New California Republic]

All abortions should be punished with the death penalty

Considering the problems that have happened regarding women who have miscarriages and suchlike being wrongly punished, this is a load of bullshit.

Also, you do realise how bad it looks to take away a person's bodily sovereignty—thus placing them in a state of de facto chattel slavery at the behest of the state—under penalty of death, right?

[Great Algerstonia]

All abortions should be punished with the death penalty

Considering the problems that have happened regarding women who have miscarriages and suchlike being wrongly punished, this is a load of bullshit.

Also, you do realise how bad it looks to take away a person's bodily sovereignty—thus placing them in a state of de facto chattel slavery at the behest of the state—under penalty of death, right?

It's not slavery it is freedom

[The New California Republic]

Considering the problems that have happened regarding women who have miscarriages and suchlike being wrongly punished, this is a load of bullshit.

Also, you do realise how bad it looks to take away a person's bodily sovereignty—thus placing them in a state of de facto chattel slavery at the behest of the state—under penalty of death, right?

It's not slavery it is freedom

Yes, forcing the continuation of a pregnancy against the woman's will is "freedom"(!)

Unironic Newspeak is just cringe.

[Godular]

Considering the problems that have happened regarding women who have miscarriages and suchlike being wrongly punished, this is a load of bullshit.

Also, you do realise how bad it looks to take away a person's bodily sovereignty—thus placing them in a state of de facto chattel slavery at the behest of the state—under penalty of death, right?

It's not slavery it is freedom

Just like telling someone that forcing them to keep a pregnancy against their will is 'a gift'.

It isn't.

[American Legionaries]

Welp, there goes anybody who had a failure to implant, or a spontaneous miscarriage, or a stillbirth...

They basically make their own position so phenomenally and absurdly extreme...

Ironic...

[Great Algerstonia]

It's not slavery it is freedom

Yes, forcing the continuation of a pregnancy against the woman's will is "freedom"(!)

Unironic Newspeak is just cringe.

Abortion is also cringe

It's not slavery it is freedom

Just like telling someone that forcing them to keep a pregnancy against their will is 'a gift'.

It isn't.

Merry Christmas! You're pregnant. Now it's rude to get rid of your holiday gifts so don't get rid of your fetus, ok?

[Necroghastia]

Welp, there goes anybody who had a failure to implant, or a spontaneous miscarriage, or a stillbirth...

They basically make their own position so phenomenally and absurdly extreme...

Ironic...

Someone's never heard of El Salvador.

[The New California Republic]

Yes, forcing the continuation of a pregnancy against the woman's will is "freedom"(!)

Unironic Newspeak is just cringe.

Abortion is also cringe

You could have done better than a response that is on a par with NO U, i.e. actually addressed what I said.

[The Black Forrest]

All abortions should be punished with the death penalty

Hmmm? Well? Banning religion would eliminate the need for the death penalty in that matter.

[Great Algerstonia]

Abortion is also cringe

You could have done better than a response that is on a par with NO U, i.e. actually addressed what I said.

That is a cringe thing to do tbh and also stop peer pressuring me it is giving me stress

[American Legionaries]

All abortions should be punished with the death penalty

Hmmm? Well? Banning religion would eliminate the need for the death penalty in that matter.

Pretty sure non-religious people can perform executions too.

[The Alma Mater]

Welp, there goes anybody who had a failure to implant, or a spontaneous miscarriage, or a stillbirth...

They basically make their own position so phenomenally and absurdly extreme...

Ironic...

How so ? It is what you said.
All abortions includes "abortions by God".

[Godular]

Welp, there goes anybody who had a failure to implant, or a spontaneous miscarriage, or a stillbirth...

They basically make their own position so phenomenally and absurdly extreme...

Ironic...

Please, explain the irony.

[Godular]

Yes, forcing the continuation of a pregnancy against the woman's will is "freedom"(!)

Unironic Newspeak is just cringe.

Abortion is also cringe

Just like telling someone that forcing them to keep a pregnancy against their will is 'a gift'.

It isn't.

Merry Christmas! You're pregnant. Now it's rude to get rid of your holiday gifts so don't get rid of your fetus, ok?

That somehow manages the feat of being even more idiotic than what prompted my reply, while also failing to actually counter the point.

Given that you stated in the report thread that you were engaging in satire, I'm not certain how serious you're trying to be.

[Thepeopl]

Hmmm? Well? Banning religion would eliminate the need for the death penalty in that matter.

Pretty sure non-religious people can perform executions too.

Sure they can. But most don't oppose free choice. Thus no death penalty needed for illegal abortions because abortions aren't illegal. But freely accessible and safe.

[The New California Republic]

You could have done better than a response that is on a par with NO U, i.e. actually addressed what I said.

That is a cringe thing to do tbh and also stop peer pressuring me it is giving me stress

If debate is too stressful then remember that your presence here is entirely voluntary, nobody is forcing you to be here...

[Great Algerstonia]

Abortion is also cringe
Merry Christmas! You're pregnant. Now it's rude to get rid of your holiday gifts so don't get rid of your fetus, ok?

That somehow manages the feat of being even more idiotic than what prompted my reply, while also failing to actually counter the point.

Well I think you're just being really picky for no reason at all

[Great Algerstonia]

That is a cringe thing to do tbh and also stop peer pressuring me it is giving me stress

If debate is too stressful then remember that your presence here is entirely voluntary, nobody is forcing you to be here...

I am being forced to be here by my FBI handler

[Thepeopl]

That is a cringe thing to do tbh and also stop peer pressuring me it is giving me stress

If debate is too stressful then remember that your presence here is entirely voluntary, nobody is forcing you to be here...

But, but... someone is wrong on the internet!

Jk.
I like how they oppose the deliberate demise of a clump of cells, but advocate the deliberate demise of a formerly pregnant person.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

If debate is too stressful then remember that your presence here is entirely voluntary, nobody is forcing you to be here...

But, but... someone is wrong on the internet!

Jk.
I like how they oppose the deliberate demise of a clump of cells, but advocate the deliberate demise of a formerly pregnant person.

Alger, like NN has not spent a single sincere moment on NS since forever.

[Great Algerstonia]

If debate is too stressful then remember that your presence here is entirely voluntary, nobody is forcing you to be here...

But, but... someone is wrong on the internet!

Jk.
I like how they oppose the deliberate demise of a clump of cells, but advocate the deliberate demise of a formerly pregnant person.

What's the problem with that?