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Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:22 pmby Sundiata
Maricarland wrote:Sundiata wrote:It's not really a problem with messaging. It's more that the United States isn't a full democracy, it's an oligarchy with limits on democracy like gerrymandering, the electoral college, corporate lobbying, and lifelong supreme court appointments. That's why Roe v Wade is gone. Most Americans support legal abortion.
Those are some very good points.
This time the system works in my favor. I'm against abortion but the system still needs to be changed for the better.
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Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:23 pmby New haven america
Sundiata wrote:Maricarland wrote:Those are some very good points.
This time the system works in my favor. I'm against abortion but it still needs to be changed for the better.
That because your ideology is based on evil despite you believing it's holy.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:28 amby New haven america
Sundiata wrote:Neanderthaland wrote:Pick one.
I have none.
There's 3 examples in your sig if you're having trouble.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:40 amby Sundiata
New haven america wrote:Sundiata wrote:I have none.
There's 3 examples in your sig if you're having trouble.
Let's not look very long at my signature.
To lower abortion without permitting it needs us all to give generously the poor. That is the most important thing we can do right now for each other materially. We must hold the wealthy and powerful to account.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:06 amby New haven america
Sundiata wrote:New haven america wrote:There's 3 examples in your sig if you're having trouble.
Let's not look very long at my signature.To lower abortion without permitting it needs us all to give generously the poor. That is the most important thing we can do right now for each other materially. We must hold the wealthy and powerful to account.
No, I think we should take a long look at the evil beliefs that make up your personal idealogy.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:31 amby New haven america
Sundiata wrote:New haven america wrote:No, I think we should take a long look at the evil beliefs that make up your personal idealogy.
So to join the cult in the 2nd line do you have to pay a fee or do they have an open-door policy?
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:41 amby The New California Republic
Spokesland wrote:The New California Republic wrote:This is a discussion forum, not a blog. If you are posting here and thinking people would or should not respond to posts you make then you are sorely mistaken.
I'm sorry if that message was not conveyed clearly, but I was referring to the quotation marks, not my post as a whole
My point still stands: if you expect people here not to comment on what you have written then you are sorely mistaken.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:44 amby The New California Republic
Sundiata wrote:New haven america wrote:There's 3 examples in your sig if you're having trouble.
Let's not look very long at my signature. To lower abortion without permitting it needs us all to give generously the poor. That is the most important thing we can do right now for each other materially. We must hold the wealthy and powerful to account.
This is code for: please don't look at the evidence that contradicts what I have just said.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:28 amby Spokesland
Sundiata wrote:It's not really a problem with messaging. It's more that the United States isn't a full democracy, it's an oligarchy with limits on democracy like gerrymandering, the electoral college, corporate lobbying, and lifelong supreme court appointments. That's why Roe v Wade is gone. Most Americans support legal abortion.
I do agree with you, of course I would love for the people I support to have the majority every year, but nearly every decision really comes down to how many people one party has in office, and because we are coming off four years of GOP majority and newly appointed Supreme Court members every decision going into the Supreme Court may not turn out the way the citizens want.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:06 amby Spirit of Hope
Spokesland wrote:Sundiata wrote:It's not really a problem with messaging. It's more that the United States isn't a full democracy, it's an oligarchy with limits on democracy like gerrymandering, the electoral college, corporate lobbying, and lifelong supreme court appointments. That's why Roe v Wade is gone. Most Americans support legal abortion.
I do agree with you, of course I would love for the people I support to have the majority every year, but nearly every decision really comes down to how many people one party has in office, and because we are coming off four years of GOP majority and newly appointed Supreme Court members every decision going into the Supreme Court may not turn out the way the citizens want.
Well we are only coming off of 4 years of GOP control because the US doesn't have a great democracy, after all Trump lost in the popular vote and because of how the Senate is set up the Republican have a huge advantage there as well.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:50 amby Dystopian Florida
But is Roe one hundred percent gone now or just weakened to irrelevance? Also, while Democrats under terms of democratic legitimacy should have won every election after 2004, they aren't the best champions of democracy themselves. Mind you, I'm not the biggest proponent of democracy myself. In my darker moods, which is often when I'm posting here, I have real doubts as to the wisdom of trusting the masses. In my lighter ones, I'm more populist in sentiment. I'm also nostalgic for the old, non-woke left, but that's another issue.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:52 amby San Lumen
Dystopian Florida wrote:But is Roe one hundred percent gone now or just weakened to irrelevance?
It’s significantly weakened. We don’t have a ruling in the Mississippi case yet.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:55 amby Vassenor
Dystopian Florida wrote:But is Roe one hundred percent gone now or just weakened to irrelevance? Also, while Democrats under terms of democratic legitimacy should have won every election after 2004, they aren't the best champions of democracy themselves. Mind you, I'm not the biggest proponent of democracy myself. In my darker moods, which is often when I'm posting here, I have real doubts as to the wisdom of trusting the masses. In my lighter ones, I'm more populist in sentiment. I'm also nostalgic for the old, non-woke left, but that's another issue.
You do realise "woke" doesn't actually mean anything, right?
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:58 amby Dystopian Florida
Vassenor wrote:Dystopian Florida wrote:But is Roe one hundred percent gone now or just weakened to irrelevance? Also, while Democrats under terms of democratic legitimacy should have won every election after 2004, they aren't the best champions of democracy themselves. Mind you, I'm not the biggest proponent of democracy myself. In my darker moods, which is often when I'm posting here, I have real doubts as to the wisdom of trusting the masses. In my lighter ones, I'm more populist in sentiment. I'm also nostalgic for the old, non-woke left, but that's another issue.
You do realise "woke" doesn't actually mean anything, right?
Well, what I mean is that I'm nostalgic for the left that didn't try to appease and coddle people and focused far more on bread and butter issues. Fighting racism is good, but microaggressions are, by definition, "micro." As in petty, small, and often entirely inside one's own mind, with no ill intent by the alleged perpetrator.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:06 amby Spirit of Hope
Dystopian Florida wrote:Vassenor wrote:You do realise "woke" doesn't actually mean anything, right?
Well, what I mean is that I'm nostalgic for the left that didn't try to appease and coddle people and focused far more on bread and butter issues. Fighting racism is good, but microaggressions are, by definition, "micro." As in petty, small, and often entirely inside one's own mind, with no ill intent by the alleged perpetrator.
Ill will is not required for something to have negative outcomes. While an individual micro aggression is small, the compounding effects of a lifetime of them has major consequences. Micro aggressions are not made up, but the result of a society that is built on racist roots and continues to maintain white supremacy.
Fighting racism is a bread and butter issue for millions of Americans who suffer from it and form a large portion of the Democratic parties base.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:07 amby Dystopian Florida
Spirit of Hope wrote:Dystopian Florida wrote:Well, what I mean is that I'm nostalgic for the left that didn't try to appease and coddle people and focused far more on bread and butter issues. Fighting racism is good, but microaggressions are, by definition, "micro." As in petty, small, and often entirely inside one's own mind, with no ill intent by the alleged perpetrator.
Ill will is not required for something to have negative outcomes. While an individual micro aggression is small, the compounding effects of a lifetime of them has major consequences. Micro aggressions are not made up, but the result of a society that is built on racist roots and continues to maintain white supremacy.
Fighting racism is a bread and butter issue for millions of Americans who suffer from it and form a large portion of the Democratic parties base.
I don't disagree with resisting racism, but one shouldn't see racist ghosts around every corner.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:18 amby Alcala-Cordel
Great Algerstonia wrote:American Salvation wrote:No, that's just incorrect.
"People with uteruses" are women, of course.
Dude's literally a man, he shouldn't be deciding what women are called. Every woman I know would not be comfortable with being called a "person with a uterus" and if I were to call a woman I just met a "person with a uterus" she would probably walk away and never talk to me again.
So you don't know that many women
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 11:57 amby Rifts Earth
New haven america wrote:Sundiata wrote:This time the system works in my favor. I'm against abortion but it still needs to be changed for the better.
That because your ideology is based on evil despite you believing it's holy.
I've heard of the pot calling the kettle black, but never the pot calling the snow black.
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Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:01 pmby Necroghastia
Rifts Earth wrote:New haven america wrote:That because your ideology is based on evil despite you believing it's holy.
I've heard of the pot calling the kettle black, but never the pot calling the snow black.
So if someone needs an abortion for life-saving reasons, the morally good and correct thing to do is to cut out the entire reproductive system?