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What would you consider to be the best 'compromise'?

Reduce abortions with welfare supports / other non-invasive measures, leave access untouched.
132
33%
Set conditions under which abortions can be accessed.
83
21%
Allow free access, under a given time limit.
38
9%
Allow free access, but give men an option to excuse themselves from child support.
40
10%
HELL WITH COMPROMISE, IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!
86
21%
Look out! They're here! Pink Elephants on Parade! Here they come, hippity hoppity!
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Total votes : 401

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:17 am

Arlenton wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:We could also go back to declaring Untermenschen 3/5th of a human being again and repeal everything before the 1st amendment.
So... about that chattel slavery...

You know that it was the Southern slave owners who wanted to count slaves as a whole person right?

uh do i look like i care?

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:18 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Relax, we're going to be okay. Whatever legislative move happens you and I are people with good intentions.

Good for you, slavery to women.

Every woman is good.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:19 am

Sundiata wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Good for you, slavery to women.

Every woman is good.

An absolutely meaningless statement.

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:23 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Every woman is good.

An absolutely meaningless statement.

Society does not do enough for women.
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:24 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Arlenton wrote:You know that it was the Southern slave owners who wanted to count slaves as a whole person right?

uh do i look like i care?

I assumed so, since you were bringing it up by comparing anti-slave power Northerners to Nazis for some reason.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:27 am

Arlenton wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Yeah, prioritizing winning over democracy leads to authoritarianism and dictatorships. Not something I'm ok with, but the Republicans appear to love it.

Like I said. Starkly different priorities and views on how the governments of this country should function.


And what gives you a right to dictate to the majority of the country how they should live their lives?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:28 am

Sundiata wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:An absolutely meaningless statement.

Society does not do enough for women.

And you want it to do less.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:28 am

Arlenton wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:We could also go back to declaring Untermenschen 3/5th of a human being again and repeal everything before the 1st amendment.
So... about that chattel slavery...

You know that it was the Southern slave owners who wanted to count slaves as a whole person right?

Tell us why.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:29 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Society does not do enough for women.

And you want it to do less.

I want it to do more; there's serious issues that women experience in the world and we can address them without abortion.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:31 am

Sundiata wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:And you want it to do less.

I want it to do more.

You can say it all you like, but you're restricting women's rights and limiting their reproductive choice.

So you're objectively lying.
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Postby Esalia » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:31 am

Sundiata wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:And you want it to do less.

I want it to do more.


You want it to let women die if they happen to have a non-viable pregnancy that will kill them if they don't get an abortion.

That does not sound like "more".
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:32 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Like I said. Starkly different priorities and views on how the governments of this country should function.


And what gives you a right to dictate to the majority of the country how they should live their lives?

Because other groups are trying to do the exact same against my interests. So there is no choice but to politically resist and retaliate.

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Postby Arlenton » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:32 am

Sundiata wrote:
Arlenton wrote:You know that it was the Southern slave owners who wanted to count slaves as a whole person right?

Tell us why.

More electoral votes and congressional seats for Southern states.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:32 am

Arlenton wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
And what gives you a right to dictate to the majority of the country how they should live their lives?

Because other groups are trying to do the exact same against my interests. So there is no choice but to politically resist and retaliate.


Since this is the abortion thread, who is forcing you to get an abortion?
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:33 am

Sundiata wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Good for you, slavery to women.

Every woman is good.

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Postby Sundiata » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:34 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I want it to do more.

You can say it all you like, but you're restricting women's rights and limiting their reproductive choice.

So you're objectively lying.

I don't think that anyone has any right to an abortion. Abortion is not simply a woman's issue. It's an issue of killing.
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:34 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Because other groups are trying to do the exact same against my interests. So there is no choice but to politically resist and retaliate.


Since this is the abortion thread, who is forcing you to get an abortion?

No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:35 am

Sundiata wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:You can say it all you like, but you're restricting women's rights and limiting their reproductive choice.

So you're objectively lying.

I don't think that anyone has any right to an abortion. Abortion is not simply a woman's issue. It's an issue of killing.


Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Second, who is being killed in the 99% of abortions that take place before the fetus even has a brain?

Arlenton wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Since this is the abortion thread, who is forcing you to get an abortion?

No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.


Right, forcing the states to let women have abortions. No one is forcing anyone to have abortions though. So no one is actually forcing you to do anything you don't want to do, they are just not letting you force other people to do something they don't want to do.

So again, why should you be able to dictate if someone else can or can't have an abortion?
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:36 am

Arlenton wrote:
Sundiata wrote:Tell us why.

More electoral votes and congressional seats for Southern states.

Because the southern states wanted to maintain slavery.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:36 am

Arlenton wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Since this is the abortion thread, who is forcing you to get an abortion?

No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.

Correct, they are forcing states to allow women the choice. No one in federal power is mandating women get an abortion.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:38 am

Sundiata wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:You can say it all you like, but you're restricting women's rights and limiting their reproductive choice.

So you're objectively lying.

I don't think that anyone has any right to an abortion.

Except for the incredibly convoluted, sterilizing abortions that you advocate. The ones that are objectively worse in every way than normal abortions.

Abortion is not simply a woman's issue.

Somehow I don't think you're being "woke" about transgender issues here. So taken at face value: you're just wrong. Men don't get abortions. Men don't need abortions.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:41 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Because it's arguably a living person at that stage and not just a group of cells.
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Postby Sundiata » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:41 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?
Rape is the more pressing problem.

Second, who is being killed in the 99% of abortions that take place before the fetus even has a brain?

The embryo, that human being.
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:41 am

Neutraligon wrote:
Arlenton wrote:No one. But there are people currently, as in it is currently the law now, using federal power that is forcing state policy on abortion.

Correct, they are forcing states to allow women the choice. No one in federal power is mandating women get an abortion.

And the point is?

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:42 am

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:Why does the fetus get the right to steal a women's body?

Because it's arguably a living person at that stage and not just a group of cells.

Then argue for it.
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