[Abortion Thread] (POLL 4) A compromising position...

[Vassenor]

-looks at how hard the Conservative party is pushing right-wing culture war rhetoric-

>presided over hate speech laws

The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 was passed under the Blair government. As was the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008, which made hate speech on the basis of sexual orientation a crime.

The only culture war rhetoric the Conservative party has engaged in is anti-Britain.

How so?

[Armeattla]

If Homophobia, Transphobia and Xenophobia are Antibritish, my ass is gonna be the greatest britain supporter of all time.

[Elwher]

A victory for the 1oth Amendment over Federal expansionism.

So was it ok for chattel slavery to be an "10th amendment issue"?

Until the Constitution was amended to make it a Federal one, yes. If you can get an abortion rights amendment passed, then it will be a legitimate Federal issue also.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So was it ok for chattel slavery to be an "10th amendment issue"?

Until the Constitution was amended to make it a Federal one, yes. If you can get an abortion rights amendment passed, then it will be a legitimate Federal issue also.

Do you think human rights should stand or fall on whether or not a few hundred crusty retirees remembered them and was in a good enough mood this week?

[Elwher]

Until the Constitution was amended to make it a Federal one, yes. If you can get an abortion rights amendment passed, then it will be a legitimate Federal issue also.

Do you think human rights should stand or fall on whether or not a few hundred crusty retirees remembered them and was in a good enough mood this week?

Human rights are determined by the government one lives under, so if that government is composed of 'a few hundred crusty retirees', then yes. The only human right not controlled by governmental regulation or protection is the right to free thought.

[Necroghastia]

Do you think human rights should stand or fall on whether or not a few hundred crusty retirees remembered them and was in a good enough mood this week?

Human rights are determined by the government one lives under, so if that government is composed of 'a few hundred crusty retirees', then yes. The only human right not controlled by governmental regulation or protection is the right to free thought.

What a dismal belief system.

[Elwher]

Human rights are determined by the government one lives under, so if that government is composed of 'a few hundred crusty retirees', then yes. The only human right not controlled by governmental regulation or protection is the right to free thought.

What a dismal belief system.

Dismal? that's an interesting misspelling of realistic.

[Necroghastia]

What a dismal belief system.

Dismal? that's an interesting misspelling of realistic.

Quitter talk. Disgusting.

[Armeattla]

Since when was tyranny realistic?

[Senkaku]

What a dismal belief system.

Dismal? that's an interesting misspelling of realistic.

you were asked how you think human rights should be determined and protected, not how they actually are

everyone acknowledges the truth of the Melian dialogue, but no one thinks it's a fucking moral & philosophical blueprint for a belief system lol

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Since when was tyranny realistic?

When it's their side "winning" naturally. When civilisation is winning it's all about how they're the poor oppressed powerless ones.

[Elwher]

Since when was tyranny realistic?

Given how many of them have and currently do exist, pretty much forever.

[Elwher]

Dismal? that's an interesting misspelling of realistic.

you were asked how you think human rights should be determined and protected, not how they actually are

They should be protected and determined by the government in power, and they are.

[Sorci]

Since when was tyranny realistic?

Given how many of them have and currently do exist, pretty much forever.

Realistic doesn't always mean assured. Giving up to despair helps nothing within the process

[Elwher]

Given how many of them have and currently do exist, pretty much forever.

Realistic doesn't always mean assured. Giving up to despair helps nothing within the process

I am not advocating giving up. I am advocating working within the system as it exists. If one wants abortion to be legal in one's state, get off the pot and elect legislators who will make it so. I am happy that we did so here in New York.

[Senkaku]

you were asked how you think human rights should be determined and protected, not how they actually are

They should be protected and determined by the government in power, and they are.

Do you believe in or wish for anything at all? This is just a tautological justification for any power that exists; most people can understand how power works, but that doesn't mean they think that's how it should work. The contradictions between the current practical and the future desirable in organizing society are where political thought comes from, don't you have any in mind?

[Sorci]

Realistic doesn't always mean assured. Giving up to despair helps nothing within the process

I am not advocating giving up. I am advocating working within the system as it exists. If one wants abortion to be legal in one's state, get off the pot and elect legislators who will make it so. I am happy that we did so here in New York.

As am I. The system as we know it today still stands, and has a potential to be worked through. That could very well change, and the turning point may be sooner than I fear.

[Madjack]

If Homophobia, Transphobia and Xenophobia are Antibritish, my ass is gonna be the greatest britain supporter of all time.

We're called terf island for a reason.

Oh and we deport gay Pakistanis and Afghans back to those countries to be murdered.

Oh and we're sending refugees on a way trip to Rwanda.

[Ifreann]

welp

A victory for the 1oth Amendment over Federal expansionism.

Cannot fathom caring more about this kind of dumb procedural shit than actual people's actual lives.

[Elwher]

They should be protected and determined by the government in power, and they are.

Do you believe in or wish for anything at all? This is just a tautological justification for any power that exists; most people can understand how power works, but that doesn't mean they think that's how it should work. The contradictions between the current practical and the future desirable in organizing society are where political thought comes from, don't you have any in mind?

There are always methods to effect change within a system, both legal methods and extra-legal ones. As to this particular debate, the legal ones exist and are workable. On a Federal level, Article 5 contains two ways of getting amendments to the Constitution enacted; either of them would solve the problem. Alternatively, one could work on a state-by-state basis to elect legislators who would make abortions legal within the state. I am not opposed to abortion being legal, I am quite happy that my state (New York) has done so.

I am opposed to the Federal government being involved in issues that it has no Constitutional jurisdiction over, which was the case for the regulation of a simple medical procedure.

[Ifreann]

Do you believe in or wish for anything at all? This is just a tautological justification for any power that exists; most people can understand how power works, but that doesn't mean they think that's how it should work. The contradictions between the current practical and the future desirable in organizing society are where political thought comes from, don't you have any in mind?

There are always methods to effect change within a system, both legal methods and extra-legal ones. As to this particular debate, the legal ones exist and are workable. On a Federal level, Article 5 contains two ways of getting amendments to the Constitution enacted; either of them would solve the problem. Alternatively, one could work on a state-by-state basis to elect legislators who would make abortions legal within the state. I am not opposed to abortion being legal, I am quite happy that my state (New York) has done so.

I am opposed to the Federal government being involved in issues that it has no Constitutional jurisdiction over, which was the case for the regulation of a simple medical procedure.

I'm opposed to people fucking dying because their proto-fascist state government won't let them get a life saving abortion.

[Senkaku]

Do you believe in or wish for anything at all? This is just a tautological justification for any power that exists; most people can understand how power works, but that doesn't mean they think that's how it should work. The contradictions between the current practical and the future desirable in organizing society are where political thought comes from, don't you have any in mind?

There are always methods to effect change within a system, both legal methods and extra-legal ones.

I mean, I don't know why it's so hard for you to say, but there's a moral belief implied here: it is wrong to attempt to work outside or overthrow political systems you live under, even if you feel they're causing harm or doing the wrong thing.

[Necroghastia]

Do you believe in or wish for anything at all? This is just a tautological justification for any power that exists; most people can understand how power works, but that doesn't mean they think that's how it should work. The contradictions between the current practical and the future desirable in organizing society are where political thought comes from, don't you have any in mind?

There are always methods to effect change within a system, both legal methods and extra-legal ones. As to this particular debate, the legal ones exist and are workable. On a Federal level, Article 5 contains two ways of getting amendments to the Constitution enacted; either of them would solve the problem. Alternatively, one could work on a state-by-state basis to elect legislators who would make abortions legal within the state. I am not opposed to abortion being legal, I am quite happy that my state (New York) has done so.

I am opposed to the Federal government being involved in issues that it has no Constitutional jurisdiction over, which was the case for the regulation of a simple medical procedure.

FOURTEENTH FUCKING AMENDMENT
JESUS

[Ifreann]

The Four Thieves Vinegar Collective has released information on how to make your own misoprostol abortion pills. They previously released DIY instructions for making epipens and daraprim. Misoprostol powder is, perhaps ironically, readily available from veterinary sources as it is used to treat ulcers in horses.

[Elwher]

There are always methods to effect change within a system, both legal methods and extra-legal ones. As to this particular debate, the legal ones exist and are workable. On a Federal level, Article 5 contains two ways of getting amendments to the Constitution enacted; either of them would solve the problem. Alternatively, one could work on a state-by-state basis to elect legislators who would make abortions legal within the state. I am not opposed to abortion being legal, I am quite happy that my state (New York) has done so.

I am opposed to the Federal government being involved in issues that it has no Constitutional jurisdiction over, which was the case for the regulation of a simple medical procedure.

FOURTEENTH FUCKING AMENDMENT
JESUS

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

What that says is that the States may not abridge those rights granted by the Federal government. It does not say what those rights are; the Constitution and the Federal statutes do that. Nowhere in either the Constitution or the Federal code is the right to a medical procedure granted, therefore the 14th does not apply here.